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I have no hatred of any of the films. There are certain scenes/sequences from the likes of OHMSS, DAF, MR, TND and DAD that I normally choose to avoid because I find them either cringeworthy, or the acting or dialogue (or both) is poor. The nearest thing to hatred comes in Quantum of Solace when Bond throws the body of Mathis in a skip, unnecessary and tasteless, as is the rape scene.

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Agent007jamest wrote:

I cant really say I hate any but I could live without Moonraker, Octopussy, & AVTAK.

I have fun with Octopussy, but I can see not liking it.
My 'Could (easily) live without' list wold be LTK, DAD, Moonraker, & AVTAK.

Always sounds good...
1: TLD, 2: LTK, 3: TND, 4: GE, 5: TB, 6: DN, 7: YOLT, 7: MWTGG, 8: TWINE, 9: OP, 10: QOS, 11: OHMSS, 12: TSWLM, then all the rest...

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Moore Than wrote:

The nearest thing to hatred comes in Quantum of Solace when Bond throws the body of Mathis in a skip, unnecessary and tasteless, as is the rape scene.

The DC movies are THE ONLY Bond movies I have only seen one time each. CR was well done, but I just ain't a fan. I remember not liking QoS very much at all.
Bond girls not memorable, action very shakey cam CGI, gun barrel screwed up... unless they make some radical changes, Bond is over for me. Which is why, I suppose, I've been digging backwards.

Always sounds good...
1: TLD, 2: LTK, 3: TND, 4: GE, 5: TB, 6: DN, 7: YOLT, 7: MWTGG, 8: TWINE, 9: OP, 10: QOS, 11: OHMSS, 12: TSWLM, then all the rest...

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Jarvio wrote:
minigeff wrote:

Moonraker.

Why? Well its not the whole film, rather from where bond goes into space. The film itself starts off great IMO, drax as a villian is i think, one of the best, I just love the way he meets bond for the first time. The carnival scenes, the global travelling around, yes i even liked the bondola. quality scenes would be "balls, Q?", "see that some harm comes to him" and the glass factory fight. I also think the theme tune is good.

Equally though, there's several bits which just make me cringe. The 'encounters' theme tune on the security keypad, the look of love bit with dolly, the total daftness of flicking gravity on and off like a light bulb, and them bloody pew pew laser guns. oh and the rubber snake fight (what was it with RM and stuffed animals?).

So if any of the film annoyed me, and I really can't say I hate it, i'd have to say Moonraker.

I completely agree with this.

But I also agree with chrisisall, who thought MR was the stupidest film until DAD came out.

I saw DAD on TV recently, and I actually enjoyed it more than I remember. However, I still rank it at the bottom of all the bond films, due to a few big flaws, such as horrible CGI, invisible car, unnecessary matrix-like slow-motion bits, Jinx, and poor acting from Gustav Graves' actor

With you both. Hate it!

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I'm afraid that NSNA would be one I hate, in that I can really see little to redeem it. Even those who like it, seem to do so in a negative way; it isn't as OTT as a Moore film, Moore isn't in it... rather than for any virtues. Also, NSNA is such a let down, it fluffs its brief - to make a Connery film and not give it any balls.

But DAD is the one where I just shook my head for an hour or so after, thinking WTF? First Bond I really didn't care for, as in, wow, they do make bad Bond films, was TMWTGG, but I saw that after MR came out.

Bond: Mr. Mathis, there's something that's been worrying me...
Mathis: Yes?
Bond: Well, you're a French police inspector, yet you speak with an Italian accent.
Mathis: Mamma mia, it worries me, too.

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I was gonna say NSNA but I don't class it as an official bond film so I left it out.

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I hate none of them...but a sense of disappointment began to settle over me when MR came out...and OP and AVTAK both left me in mourning.  Best leave it at that   ajb007/wink

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minigeff wrote:

I was gonna say NSNA but I don't class it as an official bond film so I left it out.

That's another I could do without. But I left it out for the same reason.

Always sounds good...
1: TLD, 2: LTK, 3: TND, 4: GE, 5: TB, 6: DN, 7: YOLT, 7: MWTGG, 8: TWINE, 9: OP, 10: QOS, 11: OHMSS, 12: TSWLM, then all the rest...

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Loeffelholz wrote:

I hate none of them...but a sense of disappointment began to settle over me when MR came out...and OP and AVTAK both left me in mourning.  Best leave it at that   ajb007/wink

Back in '79 I saw MR, and walked out grieving.
Then FYEO and I felt a bit better.
Then OP & I was like, uh, okaaaaay.
Then AVTAK, and I was like, did they really HAVE to?
Then TLD, and I kinda liked it a little...
Then LTK, and I realized I'd never see a really great Bond movie ever again.
Then Goldeneye, which was like a gift from the gods. Enthusiasm renewed! But 16 years of no great Bond movies surely sucked.

Always sounds good...
1: TLD, 2: LTK, 3: TND, 4: GE, 5: TB, 6: DN, 7: YOLT, 7: MWTGG, 8: TWINE, 9: OP, 10: QOS, 11: OHMSS, 12: TSWLM, then all the rest...

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chrisisall wrote:

Back in '79 I saw MR, and walked out grieving.
Then FYEO and I felt a bit better.
Then OP & I was like, uh, okaaaaay.
Then AVTAK, and I was like, did they really HAVE to?
Then TLD, and I kinda liked it a little...
Then LTK, and I realized I'd never see a really great Bond movie ever again.

I enjoyed the Daltons more than you did.  I was thrilled to have a young, physical Bond, for one thing...and knowing that Dalton was a fan of the books was encouraging as well.  Unfortunately, they couldn't completely shake what I considered the gratuitous comedy of the previous era---and Dalton clearly wasn't comfortable with it, which hurt the overall product in my opinion.

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minigeff wrote:

I was gonna say NSNA but I don't class it as an official bond film so I left it out.

Me too. And to be honest, I do actually hate NSNA. But as you said, it's not an official EON bond film. So screw it. I prefer to pretend it never existed, and I can't see myself ever watching it again

1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - OP, 4 - FYEO, 5 - SF, 6 - LTK, 7 - DN, 8 - TSWLM, 9 - GE, 10 - TLD, 11 - YOLT, 12 - OHMSS, 13 - FRWL, 14 - DAF, 15 - TMWTGG, 16 - GF, 17 - QoS, 18 - CR, 19 - TWINE, 20 - TND, 21 - TB, 22 - DAD, 23 - MR

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Jarvio wrote:

to be honest, I do actually hate NSNA. But as you said, it's not an official EON bond film. So screw it. I prefer to pretend it never existed, and I can't see myself ever watching it again

I can't believe how many times I watched it just because SC was in it. But every time I came to dislike it a bit more.... ajb007/insane

Always sounds good...
1: TLD, 2: LTK, 3: TND, 4: GE, 5: TB, 6: DN, 7: YOLT, 7: MWTGG, 8: TWINE, 9: OP, 10: QOS, 11: OHMSS, 12: TSWLM, then all the rest...

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The one Bond film I actually hate is A View To A Kill. It is boring, and features a way over-the-hill Roger Moore, in addition to a screeching, uninteresting Bond girl in the form of Tanya Roberts. For me, no matter what I thought the other Bond films, I never found them to be boring. AVTAK is a boring mess and yes, I hate it.

"Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."

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Really interesting thread.  I thought I would come out straight away and say I hated AVTAK, but tbh there really isn't a Bond film I hate.  Maybe that's why I called myself the biggest Bond fan in the world, til the net was invented and I found this forum!  LOL.

Anyway, if I have to I woukd say definitely AVTAK.  Reasons:

1.  The awful PTS complete with Beach Boys song.
2.  Roger Moore looking like Tanya Roberts great grandad.
3.  The usually fantastic Chris Walken's totally hammed up villain, Zorin.
4.  Too much Americanisation.

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Odd, but looking through the film series, I personally find that the more they veered away from Fleming's novels, the worst the films get, and those are the ones I like the least.  Consider that the ones always ranked in the top of the series are close adaptations of the novels - OHMSS, FRWL,CR, etc..  It's the same with any genre really.  Whenever new works are created to replicate the quality of the originals, it can be a mixed bag of results on many levels.  It certainly helps if they can stick in ideas from the originals as much as possible, but if the rest of the script doesn't match the quality of those, you get a lackluster film.  Worse, when they try to do emulate the style of Fleming's work without having any of his original ideas to mix in, it usually comes up as pale effort.  LTK is a good example.  Instead of making a straightforward Bond story of M having Bond go after the villain because he was a direct threat to western security in some regional way, they turned it into a personal vendetta story.  The only good scenes were the ones lifted from the LALD and TMWTGG novels.

Remaking YOLT (which was an action film spectacle for spectacles sake and had nothing to do with Bond's character) out of shear creative laziness - TSWLM and MOONRAKER - was just a way of making $$$ out of the Bond label.
They were all about  commercialism and had little artistic effort except in the visuals.  They threw in as many winking jokes (especially in the Moore vears) to sell the stuff - and it worked.  Then they would try and do more serious reboots back to Fleming's character with Dalton and Brosnan and Craig, but would fumble again after the follow up films.  I hope they do a good job on the new one.  I'm hoping for something on the quality of FRWL or CR.  Fleming's stories are gone - so I'm praying they will keep Fleming's character at the center of the effort.

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CmdrAtticus wrote:

(...) Fleming's stories are gone - so I'm praying they will keep Fleming's character at the center of the effort.

IMHO there are a lot of unused parts of Fleming's novels left. CR and LALD alone have some great moments (for instance the interaction between 007 and Leiter) that haven't been used in the films that I'd like to see.

The film that I don't like (hate is not the right word) is QoS, closely followed by DAD. I don't like QoS because to me it doesn't feel like a Bond film. In my opinion AVTAK is a terrible film but within 10 minutes you'd know you were watching a 007 movie. QoS doesn't have that for me. DAD is the exact opposite. One big homage to 40 years of Bond. I liked the small references like taking the grape in the Cuban clinic but the entire Q scene was a bit too much.

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Hate is a very strong feeling, and I don't know of any movies worth hating. But I have spared myself by not watching AVTAK and MR for many years now.

Last edited by Number24 (17th Jul 2012 11:44)

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I do not hate any James Bond Films but when I rewatched every single one of them including Never Say Never Again a couple years ago, 4 stood out as not being as good as the others. Those 4 would be:
License to Kill - Two words: Wayne Newton. Four more words: Truck bustin a wheelie
Tomorrow Never Dies - Not very good villain. No memorable scenes other than maybe the precredit sequence and Terri Hatchers bum.
The Man With the Golden Gun - Too much JW on vacation in the middle. Hoky weird scenes with Nick Nack; three nipples, on the beach with the laser and Holly Goodnight (terrible actress)
Quantum of Solace - too many meaningless chase scenes and i dont like chase scenes normally. Horrible Villain. Definately no memorable scenes. Did I say horrible villain. Bond girl ehhh no. Dont even remember the henchmen.

I see Die Another Day on some of this thread and it is straight up my 4th favorite BOND film for sure. Extremely entertaining. Unbelievable pre credit folks. Halle Berry yes mam. Zao beastful henchmen.

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Oddjob25 wrote:

I see Die Another Day on some of this thread and it is straight up my 4th favorite BOND film for sure. Extremely entertaining. Unbelievable pre credit folks. Halle Berry yes mam. Zao beastful henchmen.

LOL, I guess we're even; TND is straight up in my top 5. ajb007/lol

Always sounds good...
1: TLD, 2: LTK, 3: TND, 4: GE, 5: TB, 6: DN, 7: YOLT, 7: MWTGG, 8: TWINE, 9: OP, 10: QOS, 11: OHMSS, 12: TSWLM, then all the rest...

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There's no movie I hate but DAD comes close. Lame conclusion. Terrible "location" work. Bad acting. Poor casting. Lame villains.

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Diamonds are Forever is the one film in the series I do not really care for. Sean Connery looks really out of shpae phyiscally, Charles Gray is miscast, Wint and Kidd are about as dangerous as a skin rash, and Tom Mackowitz(Spelling?) really over did the humor too much for my taste.

Also Die Another Day is not a real favorite of mine either, for many of the same reasons everyone else has written here already.

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I can see from the other posts that the comments in my original post have merit.  The films disliked by the other members either were non Fleming stories or stuck by the film series formula because that's what brought in ticket sales, even if artistically they were sub-par.  They kept shoe horning in physical humor and bad puns and spectacle at the expense of Fleming's character, turning them into three dimensional cartoons.  Even a friend of mine once commented after seeing an over the top stunt in one film that he thought he had seen something similar in an old Looney Toon.  A good example is DAD.  I started enjoying the precredits sequence up to the over the top mine field chase.  I even enjoyed Bond being in prison for a year and worked over, then traded back in a governmental deal, as it has happened in real life to real spies.  It wasn't Fleming, but the bit before the chase and the prison and trade parts had the spirit of a Fleming novel about them.  The problem was that the producers had still believed that every film had to have spectacular set piece chases with lots of explosions and Brosnan shooting thousands of rounds at armies of men shooting back -  without getting a scratch!  Of course, millions of people are paying to see this type of action in a BOND movie and expect it.  This is my point.  A large Jekyll/Hyde divide developed over the series dealing with Fleming's character and the cinema character of Bond.  The producers got the public used to seeing explosions and spectacle and a cartoon version of Bond coolly detached through it all with a smirk and a straightening of the tie swagger.  That's why when they brought Dalton in to bring the character back to Fleming's ideal, it didn't mesh well - Jekyll is Fleming's complex government spy and blunt instrument;  Hyde the producer's creation - a individual that is all action and lust and baudry humor.  They tried to balance the two again with the Brosnan films, but the bombast of Mr. Hyde would not die.  We then got Craig and CR.  This has been their best effort in balancing the two in a while (OHMSS was the last good balance).  They still had the large action scequences, but focused on Bond himself and kept Fleming's Dr. Jeykll version at the center of the story.  They lost the balance again with QOS.  They tried blending a realistic, morality play dealing with Bond's inner demons with a non-stop action film.  Instead of continuing the Vesper revenge theme, they should have just made a new story line, or perhaps did the whole revenge part in the pre-credits sequence just to bury it and move on.  I think the audience expects to see Bond enjoy himself at times through the story (as he did in the novels).  I hope they do in the new film.  Unfortunately, from what I can see from the trailer, the plot does not seem to afford Craig to have much levity.

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CmdrAtticus wrote:

That's why when they brought Dalton in to bring the character back to Fleming's ideal, it didn't mesh well - Jekyll is Fleming's complex government spy and blunt instrument;  Hyde the producer's creation - a individual that is all action and lust and baudry humor.

Interesting, just started reading The Spy Who Loved Me novelization by screenwriter Christopher Wood. What a sobering, hard-edged take on what we saw as a movie!!! And I'm only two chapters in... ajb007/amazed

Always sounds good...
1: TLD, 2: LTK, 3: TND, 4: GE, 5: TB, 6: DN, 7: YOLT, 7: MWTGG, 8: TWINE, 9: OP, 10: QOS, 11: OHMSS, 12: TSWLM, then all the rest...

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I do not like LTK very much as one poster said it has a die hard feel to it i like die hard as a film but LTK belongs in that list of films but as i remembered reading the late 80's saw a lot of films like LTK Die Hard and LW films so it is understandable about how this film isnt liked very much but it has its own fans

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I don't hate any Bond. It's an ever-evolving series, self-referential in many respects but also adapting with times & cinematic trends. However if I'm pushed to state a film that now disappoints it would be YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE, which somewhere down the line seems to have been chosen as the series' representative of Bond excess & ripe for send-up. It therefore makes it difficult for me to watch it without laughing at it, rather than with it. This feels different than, say MOONRAKER. That film's far more on-the-nose downright silly but is so obviously self-mocking it's pretty much immune to outside mimmickry. Same with A VIEW TO A KILL which is a wonderful Bond to watch when drunk with like-minded friends. It lends itself well to inebriated mirth but never loses its charm. Bond's clandestine ring camera & totally unobtrusive sunglasses are particularly priceless after a few bottles.