What is the correct Walther PPK??

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  • Gebruder GumboldGebruder Gumbold San FranciscoPosts: 541MI6 Agent
    7289...Thank you for the reply and advice. Yes, this seller is dreaming, trying to ride the boom of business here on the coasts of the USA>
    I suppose to a collector of Walthers, this gun may be a great find. Seller claims its never been fired except for testing, and that it is a 1972 production non import model.
    You can see it on gunsinternational.com

    7289> what year production is yours. Looks to be what I want: 1960's produced, 7.65 cal, brown grips, right colour.

    Thanks, Tom
  • 72897289 Beau DesertPosts: 1,691MI6 Agent
  • PaperbillPaperbill FloridaPosts: 810MI6 Agent
    The Smith and Wesson made Walther PPK's here in the USA are not the best quality. I know this has been discussed before so please forgive me. My Walther PPK 380 jams every 20 shots or so. I need to have to worked on by a gunsmith. I've had similar problems with other PPk's I've owned. The P99 shoots great, never a jam, but it is German and a different style gun.
  • Gebruder GumboldGebruder Gumbold San FranciscoPosts: 541MI6 Agent
    My New PPK! Just purchased this 1968 PPK from a friend-of-a-friend. Was mentioning to a pal in New York that I was looking for a particular PPK in mint condition. He said that he knew a guy who has a huge collection of PPKs. I thought "Fat Chance," and, lo and behold, a few hours later, I get a call from a corking chap who is also a Bond fan. He must have over 100 guns, maybe an original AR-7 too!
    Here are prelim pics of the gun, looks to be mint.
    Cheers, and thank you my brethren for all the great advice.
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  • 001986001986 Posts: 8MI6 Agent
    Hi there fellow Bond enthusiasts. I have been a massive bond fan since my teens collecting bond zippo lighters, corgi models and even some of Roger Moores Seiko watches.

    Just recently a friend suggested getting a real Walther ppk (a deactivated one as i live in the UK). I must admit id never really thought about it up to that point and now i really want one.

    Being in the uk and now after brexit they are hard to find and few and far between. the only ones I've have found are WW2 era and extremely expensive.

    Being a die hard bond fan id really like one from the correct time periods and being the correct calibre with the right grips etc etc.

    Even though in movie Dr no, major boothroyd states the gun issued to bond a walther ppk 7.65 mm when watching the movie can quite clearly tell the gun he is issued is a walhther pp and not a ppk. In later bond movies he does in fact have a walther ppk 7.65mm. but from reading the posts on this site I gather that other variants were used like the .380 calibre model

    I just wanted to know if anyone has a full in depth list of each gun variant that was used in each movie. From Dr No to Spectre So that when I do my daily browsing of deactivated gun websites. When one of these specific models become available ill know its the real deal and be happy and confident to buy it with out the worry of gun dealers palming me off with any old ppk and putting a stupid price on it just because its similar to a bond gun.

    Reading the posts from this site I can tell that many of you are very knowledgeable on the subject and the that some will have a full list.

    Hope to hear back from you all soon.

    Thanks.
  • Bond44Bond44 Vauxhall CrossPosts: 1,581MI6 Agent
    001986 wrote:

    I just wanted to know if anyone has a full in depth list of each gun variant that was used in each movie. From Dr No to Spectre So that when I do my daily browsing of deactivated gun websites. When one of these specific models become available ill know its the real deal and be happy and confident to buy it with out the worry of gun dealers palming me off with any old ppk and putting a stupid price on it just because its similar to a bond gun.

    Reading the posts from this site I can tell that many of you are very knowledgeable on the subject and the that some will have a full list.

    Hope to hear back from you all soon.

    Thanks.
    You need to get yourself a copy of one of these dear boy, all you seek in one place - created by a fellow AJBer (I hope e does not mind me posting) - happy hunting!

    Cheers :007)


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  • 001986001986 Posts: 8MI6 Agent
    Bond44 wrote:
    001986 wrote:

    I just wanted to know if anyone has a full in depth list of each gun variant that was used in each movie. From Dr No to Spectre So that when I do my daily browsing of deactivated gun websites. When one of these specific models become available ill know its the real deal and be happy and confident to buy it with out the worry of gun dealers palming me off with any old ppk and putting a stupid price on it just because its similar to a bond gun.

    Reading the posts from this site I can tell that many of you are very knowledgeable on the subject and the that some will have a full list.

    Hope to hear back from you all soon.

    Thanks.
    You need to get yourself a copy of one of these dear boy, all you seek in one place - created by a fellow AJBer (I hope e does not mind me posting) - happy hunting!

    Cheers :007)


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    Thanks for your post regarding the James bond Most famous gun in the world magazine I had heard of it before but couldn't find it whilst internet searching. your photo really helped, turns out I was searching for a book but when I saw your picture I realised its a magazine publication. I tracked down the website from there (http://www.007magazine.co.uk/) but its currently out of stock so I Emailed the editor of the site to see if he can help get hold of a copy.
  • 001986001986 Posts: 8MI6 Agent
    Hello again James bond fans, I've been struggling to find a copy of the 007 magazine (the most famous gun in the world publication) as it was released in 2016 and its sold out on there website i tired contacting the editor via email a week ago but still haven't had a reply as of yet I'm thinking due to covid no ones in there office,

    but in the mean time I have found a couple of mid 80's ppks that might become for sale soon so these would be Timothy Dalton era ppks ( The living day lights and license to kill)

    I've been informed they are both 7.65mm guns. I'm going to try and get photos of them both tomorrow I just wanted to know if anyone has any information regarding the guns he used in these two films as I've only been told there mid 80s guns but dont know how true that is and have no actual proof. Ive found photos of the gun used in license to kill on the www.originalprop.com but any info i can get would be much appreciated. I don't want to buy something its its not correct without knowing all the facts.

    Thanks guys.
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,483MI6 Agent
    edited February 2021
    Ignore that LTK PPK. That was never in the film. A few prewar PPKs from Stembridge have been solid by them as used in the film but it’s rubbish. Dalton never used them. Avoid any Zella made PPKs, get a post war ULM made version. They’re more freely up for sale and less expensive too.

    If the publicity stills are of Dalton in TLD, then he is holding a Manhurin made PPK. I wouldn’t get that version as they aren’t really used outside of publicity shots and rubber stunts. They’re French stamped, and lack the iconic Walther banner on the slide and grips.


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    This is what you want... ignore the grip colour, you can pick black or brown ones up easily, depending which version you want.


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    Send me pics of the guns that are for sale and I’ll let you know.
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  • 001986001986 Posts: 8MI6 Agent
    Hello again people. Apparently one of the deactivated guns was sold today so i only managed to get photos of one gun i hope they help all you james bond fans identify the gun , im hoping it matches up with the one used in either the living daylights or license to kill.

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    Thanks guys
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,483MI6 Agent
    That’s a PPK-L. A lightweight version with an aluminium alloy frame. It’s sprayed black rather than have the lush gun blued finish that PPKs are famous for. Sadly this model was never used by any of the Bonds.
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  • Charmed & DangerousCharmed & Dangerous Posts: 7,358MI6 Agent
    001986 wrote:
    Hello again people.... Thanks guys

    Hi 001986, Asp-9mm is the expert in these things, so if it's accuracy you're after, you can't go wrong taking his advice. -{
    "How was your lamb?" "Skewered. One sympathises."
  • 001986001986 Posts: 8MI6 Agent
    Asp9mm wrote:
    That’s a PPK-L. A lightweight version with an aluminium alloy frame. It’s sprayed black rather than have the lush gun blued finish that PPKs are famous for. Sadly this model was never used by any of the Bonds.

    I noticed the letter L after the ppk marking on the gun as well that why i was a bit unsure apparently the other that that was sold just had ppk written on the gun so im guessing that's why it sold so quick must of been the real deal, i reckon the guy offered a stupid high price for it and snapped it up quick.

    So now we are out the E.u can you not sell guns deactivated to U.K spec to people in the U.K ???or does that only apply if your selling to someone outside the UK ?
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,483MI6 Agent
    They have to be deactivated to current EU spec and have transfer of ownership too. It’s insane. I bought a load as an investment and now I can’t sell them. No idea if the law is changing, it’s all very confusing.
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  • 001986001986 Posts: 8MI6 Agent
    Asp9mm wrote:
    They have to be deactivated to current EU spec and have transfer of ownership too. It’s insane. I bought a load as an investment and now I can’t sell them. No idea if the law is changing, it’s all very confusing.

    Dam that is a shame id of happily bought one of your guns, you sound very knowledgeable on the subject and at least id know for sure that id be getting an actual bond gun.

    I will just keep looking for now hoping something else turns up.

    the walther PKK-L has been sold now too i really hope a bond fan didn't but it when they do research on it they'll be disappointed i know i would of been if i had bought it today, so id just like to say thank you for your help because i was ready to rush in and buy it after the first one was sold.
  • Dodge101Dodge101 Posts: 55MI6 Agent
    edited July 2021


    You can sell your deactivated guns as long as you get them re-deactivated to the current law. The problem is a gun smith would have to undo the previous deactivation modifications to be able to get it ready for the new modifications as required by law, which having to undo the previous mods could mean the gun getting damaged. It's just not worth the risk and yes I agree, the new law on deactivated guns has made PPK's virtually worthless in my opinion because the new law means PPK's can no longer be 'dry fired'. It means the slide can go back and forth, can press the trigger, removed the ammo magazine and that's it.

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