The name's Bourne, Jason Bourne.

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Here's a look back over the Bourne movies, evem a little on how they changed Bond.

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/bourne-s-legacy--ten-years-on.html
007 in particular learnt a lot following the dismal and universally panned ‘Die Another Day’. The 20th Bond flick took the campy kitsch shtick of Bond’s past and turned it up to 11, leaving the series in need of a stiff kick up the jacksy.

Change came in the shape of the Bond-savy director of ‘Goldeneye’ Martin Campbell, who took the series back to its roots with ‘Casino Royale’, breathing new life into the character (thanks in no small part to Daniel Craig). Bond had depth again and was lauded, much like ‘Bourne’, for its relevance to a post-9/11 world.
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  • Shady TreeShady Tree London, UKPosts: 2,965MI6 Agent
    edited August 2012
    Change came in the shape of the Bond-savy director of ‘Goldeneye’ Martin Campbell, who took the series back to its roots with ‘Casino Royale’, breathing new life into the character (thanks in no small part to Daniel Craig). Bond had depth again and was lauded, much like ‘Bourne’, for its relevance to a post-9/11 world.

    If QOS was criticised for trying too hard to be like Bourne, the new 'The Bourne Legacy' appears to repay a debt to Bond, here and there, with, for example, elements of CR-style parkour in its chase sequence with the Thai assassin, shades of TND's Brosnan/Wai Lin motorbike escape and, in the closing moments, an idyll of getting lost on islands in the Far East reminiscent of the conclusion to YOLT the novel.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I have to admit, although I do like the Bourne Films. They do seem
    to be the same film made over and over again.
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  • Mr BeechMr Beech Florida, USAPosts: 1,749MI6 Agent
    I have to admit, although I do like the Bourne Films. They do seem
    to be the same film made over and over again.

    Well, to be fair, the first three were fairly varied, continuous plot lines following a single character that were widely praised. It's the Bourne Legacy that feels like an attempt to make it into a formula to me.
  • SpectreBlofeldSpectreBlofeld AroundPosts: 364MI6 Agent
    I have to admit, although I do like the Bourne Films. They do seem
    to be the same film made over and over again.

    I agree completely. It's just a different old CIA guy with a thick Southern accent pulling the strings in each film. There will be martial arts, terse dialogue, lots of fictional spy terminology (like, 'the asset is in play!', which means, our assassin has been given orders and is on the move, and I don't know why they don't just say that outright, other than the fact that they need to make the dialogue sound spycool), and a cool car chase later in the film. And Matt Damon will display zero emotion and speak his lines as flat as a Vulcan, breaking the stoicism only to occasionally look slightly frustrated.

    I'm okay with that. That's all fun stuff. I do like the Bourne movies but the three (I haven't seen Legacy) really are pretty much the same film three times.

    I also do not see this supposed influence on the 'reboot' Bond films that Bourne supposedly caused. Yes, they do have things in common - they're both serious in tone and the action scenes bear similarity (rooftop jumping, shaky-cam action).

    However, this is something that ALL new action movies have in common! Anyone remember Batman Begins? One of the worst offenders for quick-cut shaky-cam seizure-inducing nonsense. Also had rooftop jumping (even in a car, but hey, Batman is known for galavanting on the rooftops anyway). The International had Clive Owen squaring off with a villain on a tiled rooftop.

    I think the modern 'shaky cam action' stuff is due to the existence and availability of relatively small, handheld video cameras that can be manipulated and moved easily, versus the giant mounted monstrosities of the past, which allows more experimentation and dabbling in more active, 'live' camera action. Running and fighting on rooftops is classic action movie stuff and has been in many a prior Bond film.

    Anyway, what others see as 'influence' i see as 'convergence'. Or just progress, I guess.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Well I for one can't argue with that, SpectreBlofeld -{
    One of the problems with QOS was the editing, Bourne had four second cuts
    to keep the action moving ( computer game influence ) some of the
    cuts in QOS were Two seconds, just a little too fast to take in all the
    visual infomation, Just my Opinion of course. :))
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  • StrangewaysStrangeways London, UKPosts: 1,469MI6 Agent
    edited August 2012
    Just seen The Bourne Legacy in the cinema and was impressed.
    However, I am looking forward to seeing 007 kick ass and show who's boss when SKYFALL is released.

    My BF hadn't seen any Bourne films before, and his comment as we left the cinema was "why are they trying to copy James Bond?".

    If you haven't seen Bourne 4 yet there is a pretty good version available here:
    http://www.sockshare.com/file/7EFC09CAB613051B#
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I enjoyed the Bike chase in it. Hopefully Bond will do a better one. ;)
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  • BIG TAMBIG TAM Wrexham, North Wales, UK.Posts: 773MI6 Agent
    I must admit, in banging on about Bourne's influence on Bond I'd quite forgotten that films such as SPIDER-MAN & BATMAN BEGINS adopted similar tones of 'realism'. It's a fair point.

    Who used the shaky-cam effect first? Tony Scott & his ilk were certainly utilising disjointed camera angles & jarring editing styles but I always thought it was Steven Spielberg who used it specifically to convey disorientation in SAVING PRIVATE RYAN's opening sequence. It suited such devastating mayhem perfectly on that film but is just plain overdone now.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Here's a little of the history of the Shakey Cam. :))

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaky_camera
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  • GordoLeiterGordoLeiter Posts: 462MI6 Agent
    Die Another Day was indeed very remnant of the Roger Moore era, im kinda glad they are doing a complete overhaul with Craig as Bond.
  • BodieBodie Posts: 211MI6 Agent
    Just been to see The Bourne Legacy and Skyfall will have to be a crap movie not to be better than it, it fact it would have to be QOS. Its not a patch on the 3 previous movies. Not Jeremy Renners fault he does a good job but the script lets him down. Too long and boring with only a few action set peice to break the minotiny, and these are nothing that we havn't seen before in the other Bourne's.
  • Moore ThanMoore Than EnglandPosts: 3,173MI6 Agent
    edited September 2012
    Here is a James Bond/Jason Bourne match up from the cover of September's issue of French magazine Studio Cine Live. As Jeremy Renner does not portray Jason Bourne it's probably meant to be more of a James Bond/Aaron Cross and Skyfall/Bourne Legacy match up.


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  • Moore ThanMoore Than EnglandPosts: 3,173MI6 Agent
    Matt Damon has confirmed that he will be returning to make another Bourne film. He is quoted, "It'll be in 2016 when the movie will actually come out. Paul Greengrass is going to do another one and that's all I ever said. I just needed him to say yes."

    The FULL article.
    Matt Damon to return as Jason Bourne in 2016 film
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/29980138
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    Damon has a dislike for Bond. I've also read that he is not too keen on his own Bourne Franchise either.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    If the checks big enough, he'd sell his own grandmother ! :p :))
    It's like the old sketch about the film Caligula (1979) staring many
    Well known British actors. Basically a soft core porn film. They had
    An impressionist doing Sir John Gielgud saying,
    " I'm absolutely appalled at all the Sex and Violence ! There was NO
    Mention of that on my first enormous pay check !" :))

    The last Bourne flopped big time, so they need him back. Maybe this
    Will be Bourne's Diamonds are Forever. :))
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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,238MI6 Agent
    There is a problem here, as the whole USP of Bourne is The Man With (No Recall of His) Name and once he regains his memory, that's it in a way, the story arc is over.

    After that, it always feels like the character is going back for second helpings.
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    I have to admit, although I do like the Bourne Films. They do seem
    to be the same film made over and over again.

    That's probably how non-hardcore fans feel about the Bond films.
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  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,292MI6 Agent
    I thought the other Bourne was about to reprise his role????
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I've seen them all, But couldn't tell you what they were about or what action
    sequence comes from which film. :D
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    The Books are better I think -{
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  • Moore ThanMoore Than EnglandPosts: 3,173MI6 Agent
    welshboy78 wrote:
    I thought the other Bourne was about to reprise his role????

    According to the article below, Jeremy Renner is not involved in the new Bourne film but will continue working with Universal on an Aaron Cross film.

    Matt Damon, Paul Greengrass join next 'Bourne' film; Jeremy Renner is out
    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-mn-matt-damon-paul-greengrass-bourne-20141109-story.html
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  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,292MI6 Agent
    I read that Matt Damon only has 25 lines of dialogue in the new Jason Bourne film?
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  • The Domino EffectThe Domino Effect Posts: 3,631MI6 Agent
    welshboy78 wrote:
    I read that Matt Damon only has 25 lines of dialogue in the new Jason Bourne film?

    Hadn't heard that but I'm looking forward to seeing the film. I read of an interview with him in which he said that whenever he gets stopped in the street people always ask him if he's going to do another Bourne. He said he doesn't mind the question at all because he loves playing him so much. I thought that was great to hear. So many actors hate to be associated with one role when they've done a lot more than just that part.
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    I'm really looking forward to it and hope it's good. I have a slight suspicion that the Bourne story arc is complete, but would be delighted to be wrong.
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    zaphod99 wrote:
    I'm really looking forward to it and hope it's good. I have a slight suspicion that the Bourne story arc is complete, but would be delighted to be wrong.

    I'm pretty sure the story arc from the old films is complete. They've had to come up with something new. I really don't want to see what the Bond films have done, which is try to extend the story further than it can go.
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  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,292MI6 Agent
    If this 25 word thing is true it will be pretty strange.

    I think it came from Greengrass - maybe a windup?
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    welshboy78 wrote:
    If this 25 word thing is true it will be pretty strange.

    I think it came from Greengrass - maybe a windup?

    25 lines, not words.
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  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,292MI6 Agent
    Ah ok. Still pretty crazy though unless he has some long lines!
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  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    Great article in today's UK Guardian re how international marketing requirements, and an increasingly visual culture are changing needs and expectations. It references Madrid Max Fury Road (52 lines and The Revenant)plus the use of emoji by the young as examples. It makes the point that non verbal spectacle has replaced dialogue for a lot of mainstream Cinema. Television requires more dialogue as it cannot usually rely on the grand scale visuals and set pieces. It's an interesting and insightful piece.
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
  • UnderwaterBattle007UnderwaterBattle007 Posts: 284MI6 Agent
    I only ever go to the cinema to see either a new James Bond film, or a new Mat Damon Jason Bourne film. So off to the flicks in a fortnights time to see the new Bourne film, the trailer looks fantastic imo.
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