Do you ever wonder why they never went back to Alfred Hitchcock...

LegoBatman008LegoBatman008 USAPosts: 189MI6 Agent
edited November 2014 in General James Bond Chat
...After the Bond films had become a success? I do. But the world may never know, especially now that Cubby Broccoli and Harry Saltzman are both gone from this world. And they've been gone for I don't know how many years.

And quite frankly I think the biggest mistake they've ever made was re-hiring Guy Hamilton after On Her Majesty's Secret Service. I believe they could have brought in Alfred Hitchcock after OHMSS and had him do a proper sequel to Majesty's with a brand new actor as James Bond. But that's just some wishful thinking on my part.
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  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    Was Hitchcock ever interested? It would have been a great combination, especially since he'd worked with Connery on Marnie. At that point in Hitchcock's career, though, he was on a downward slide. Frenzy is a fine film, ahead of its time in many ways, and if the sexual tension and violence was any indication, Hitchcock could have made a very intriguing and adult Bond film.

    Hamilton is a fine director, but he seemed very interested in doing more of a Blake Edwards take on his films than his more "serious" work earlier. Goldfinger plays a lot like an Edwards film, so his leaning in that direction was already obvious in 1963-64.
  • LegoBatman008LegoBatman008 USAPosts: 189MI6 Agent
    Gassy Man wrote:
    Was Hitchcock ever interested? It would have been a great combination, especially since he'd worked with Connery on Marnie. At that point in Hitchcock's career, though, he was on a downward slide. Frenzy is a fine film, ahead of its time in many ways, and if the sexual tension and violence was any indication, Hitchcock could have made a very intriguing and adult Bond film.

    I don't know if Hitchcock was ever interested...But I do believe that Alfred Hitchcock could have made a decent follow-up to On Her Majesty's Secret Service, had EON Productions went with him (Hitch) after George Lazenby had quit his job.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    For those fans who hate the back projection of some of the early Bonds.
    With Hitchcock you'd have got much more of it as Hitch was using it up
    Till the end, even though better ways existed. :))
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  • LegoBatman008LegoBatman008 USAPosts: 189MI6 Agent
    For those fans who hate the back projection of some of the early Bonds.
    With Hitchcock you'd have got much more of it as Hitch was using it up
    Till the end, even though better ways existed. :))

    But To Catch A Thief was one of those rare exceptions wasn't it? -{
    "Ahem, you know in the future if you're going to steal cars, don't dress like a car thief, man." - Spider-Man
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    For those fans who hate the back projection of some of the early Bonds.
    With Hitchcock you'd have got much more of it as Hitch was using it up
    Till the end, even though better ways existed. :))

    But To Catch A Thief was one of those rare exceptions wasn't it? -{
    I'm pretty sure there is rear projection work in that film, but any truly great director not only minimizes it but knows how and when to use it. Hitchcock frequently used it when we were supposed to be focused on the actors, such as the scene of Grant and Carroll at the airport in North by Northwest, not so much the scenery behind them, and that's the most appropriate. The Bond films frequently got it wrong, though -- watching Bond zipping by with a jet pack did not require an insert of Connery because he wasn't doing anything except "flying" with a jet pack . . . and that could be conveyed simply with a stunt man. Hitchcock might have known to use it better. Most of the scenes involving rear projection work in Bond films were fast action scenes, and these are often the worst to use it for unless it is used sparingly. But then even Goldeneye couldn't figure that one out.

    If Hitchcock had worked on Diamonds are Forever, I'm not sure what rear projection work would really have been needed. I do think the film would have been classier, though. Hitchcock, even when being lurid, managed to keep a certain air of magic in his films. I wouldn't exactly call it dignified, but they were a cut above the competition. Diamonds are Forever feels less so. I suspect Hitchcock would have jettisoned Jill St. John and replaced her with a better actress while having her character developed more, presented Wynt and Kidd more like Rosencrantz and Gildenstern than Oscar Madison and Felix Unger, and added more wit and intrigue and less camp and action. I do think he would have upped the violence quotient a bit, as he clearly was going for that in his other films.
  • LegoBatman008LegoBatman008 USAPosts: 189MI6 Agent
    Gassy Man wrote:
    If Hitchcock had worked on Diamonds are Forever, I'm not sure what rear projection work would really have been needed. I do think the film would have been classier, though. Hitchcock, even when being lurid, managed to keep a certain air of magic in his films. I wouldn't exactly call it dignified, but they were a cut above the competition. Diamonds are Forever feels less so. I suspect Hitchcock would have jettisoned Jill St. John and replaced her with a better actress while having her character developed more, presented Wynt and Kidd more like Rosencrantz and Gildenstern than Oscar Madison and Felix Unger, and added more wit and intrigue and less camp and action. I do think he would have upped the violence quotient a bit, as he clearly was going for that in his other films.

    If Hitchcock had worked on Diamonds Are Forever I'm not sure if it would've been called 'Diamonds Are Forever'...it probably would've been called something else. And I have no idea what Hitch would've called it. Perhaps, "Live and Let Die" instead.
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  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    That could well be true -- I just assumed that would be the film he would be working on. If he could Ernest Lehman to work with Richard Maibaum, it could have been one of the best scripts ever for a Bond.
  • LegoBatman008LegoBatman008 USAPosts: 189MI6 Agent
    Gassy Man wrote:
    That could well be true -- I just assumed that would be the film he would be working on. If he could Ernest Lehman to work with Richard Maibaum, it could have been one of the best scripts ever for a Bond.

    You know what kills me? I bet there is some kind of parallel universe out there where Alfred Hitchcock actually did get to work on a James Bond film and we're NEVER gonna get to see it because there's no way of accessing a parallel universe at all.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Strong drugs can take you there ! ;) :p :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • LegoBatman008LegoBatman008 USAPosts: 189MI6 Agent
    Strong drugs can take you there ! ;) :p :))

    No, they can't. That's just a drug-induced fantasy.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Oh, I don't know some of those menthol sweets can be pretty strong . :D
    Once you sort out the Einstein, Rosen bridge formula the trans dimensional
    Worm hole is very easy to control ! ;)
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    Who are you, and what have you done with Thunderpussy?
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    See what watching Dr Who can do for you, :))
    Just remember never " reverse the polarity !" ;)
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  • CmdrAtticusCmdrAtticus United StatesPosts: 1,102MI6 Agent
    Here's a strange twist on this idea.

    Broccoli and Saltzman both had large egos in regards to producing the EON series. Though Hitchcock would have made a great fit for an EON/Bond film (one only has to watch North By Northwest), he was well known for his controlling demands on every aspect of making a film. I just don't see how they could have worked together well enough. At the smallest suggestion of making a script change, Hitch would have sat there with his hands grasped across his girth in his famous buddha pose, pursed his lower lip - and said, "No, I don't think we'll do that". Can you imagine how those producers would have reacted?

    The EON films were they're baby. They had no problem hiring qualified directors like Young for their projects, because those directors were open to creative input. Hitchcock was only open to that from his DP's and writers.
  • LegoBatman008LegoBatman008 USAPosts: 189MI6 Agent
    Here's a strange twist on this idea.

    Broccoli and Saltzman both had large egos in regards to producing the EON series. Though Hitchcock would have made a great fit for an EON/Bond film (one only has to watch North By Northwest), he was well known for his controlling demands on every aspect of making a film. I just don't see how they could have worked together well enough. At the smallest suggestion of making a script change, Hitch would have sat there with his hands grasped across his girth in his famous buddha pose, pursed his lower lip - and said, "No, I don't think we'll do that". Can you imagine how those producers would have reacted?

    The EON films were they're baby. They had no problem hiring qualified directors like Young for their projects, because those directors were open to creative input. Hitchcock was only open to that from his DP's and writers.

    That explains why Albert R. Broccoli and Harry Saltzman were apprehensive about letting Alfred Hitchcock direct Dr. No with Cary Grant as Bond.
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  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,651MI6 Agent
    Gassy Man wrote:
    Was Hitchcock ever interested? It would have been a great combination, especially since he'd worked with Connery on Marnie. At that point in Hitchcock's career, though, he was on a downward slide. Frenzy is a fine film, ahead of its time in many ways, and if the sexual tension and violence was any indication, Hitchcock could have made a very intriguing and adult Bond film.

    I don't know if Hitchcock was ever interested...But I do believe that Alfred Hitchcock could have made a decent follow-up to On Her Majesty's Secret Service, had EON Productions went with him (Hitch) after George Lazenby had quit his job.

    In the book, The Battle for Bond, which details the events leading up to and following the lawsuit between Fleming and Kevin McClory, the two along with Ivar Bryce (Fleming's schoolmate friend and the "money" in their partnership), sought out Hitchcock for their Bond movie project, way before EON acquired the film rights to the Bond books. In fact, they were in heavy negotiations with Hitchcock and his salary would have been the bulk of the TB movie budget. As said, it was fear that Hitchcock would have eventually wrested creative control that counted against getting him, along with his enormous payday demands.

    It is only with the recent EON production team that they’ve enlisted A-list ringers with the likes of Paul Haggis and Sam Mendes, big names in their own right before getting associated with Bond. When Cubby and Harry were in control, they tapped into talent they’ve previously worked with and built up their production team repertoire, in-house. The directors and screenwriters they used weren’t totally green, but they weren’t A-listers either, most likely so EON can keep not only talent fees down, but to maintain control over the production and it worked, because they manufactured a specific branding of their product for decades to come with little variance in taste and feel.

    Hiring Hitchcock then would have been akin to hiring Spielberg or Tarantino today (both expressed desires to do Bond films), but you would end up with singularity Bond movies surrounded by personality hype and that would be a bad precedence, especially for “regular” Bond films down the line. IMO, they ran that danger with Mendes, but it worked out since his excellent work isn’t that well-known in the mainstream.

    Lastly, since this thread is about hiring Hitchcock in the early 70s, I don’t know if he would have been up to snuff with the action sequences based on his movies from that period that I watched, Frenzy and Family Plot (which surprisingly I watched in the theater as a kid); I suspect the lower action-thriller quotient had to do with his maturity at the time. In terms of what he could have brought to a Bond film, it would have been ideal to get him when Fleming, Bryce and McClory had him in mind, in the late 50s or early 60s, when IMO he was at the top of his game in the action-thriller genre.
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,702MI6 Agent
    Imagine the planned final scene of DAF with Bond chasing and killing Blofeld on a salt mine in thë dessert - shot by Hitchcock!
    It would have been fantastic :)

    But my favourite Hitchcock Bond film that never was is Casino Royale shot in the style and mood of Suspicion. It has the tension, both sexual and otherwise, the issues with trust and loyalty and the whole film noir feel. It would be Perfect!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    CR , is pretty much perfect as it is! ;) :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    CR , is pretty much perfect as it is! ;) :D

    Very true, but that is an updated version. If Hitchcock had got his hands on CR in the 50s, things would have been different and, I'd venture, very much along the lines Number24 suggests.
  • AnneHathawayHaterAnneHathawayHater Posts: 42MI6 Agent
    edited December 2014
    It's a real shame that Cubby Broccoli and Harry Saltzman couldn't keep their egos in check and have Alfred Hitchcock play in the Bond sandbox at least once while Hitch was still alive and well.
    I hate Anne Hathaway's Catwoman.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Sadly as others have pointed out hitch only made Hitchcock movies. He'd
    Have wanted total control ! and as Cubby and Harry were putting up the money
    They had every right to have a major say in the movie :D I know I would. :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    North by Northwest was said to have been Hitchcocks Bond -{
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    It's a great film -{ I have it on DVD. The fantastic score by Bernard Hermann
    Also helps. ;)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
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