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Yes  ajb007/martini

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ajb007/lol  I wonder if we'd of had  the great Bond adventures if Fleming
Hadn't been very, very drunk at the time.  ajb007/biggrin  as I'm sure he'd be
Considered an alcoholic by today's standards .  ajb007/lol

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Thunderpussy wrote:

ajb007/lol  I wonder if we'd of had  the great Bond adventures if Fleming
Hadn't been very, very drunk at the time.  ajb007/biggrin  as I'm sure he'd be
Considered an alcoholic by today's standards .  ajb007/lol

Most great art is produced by drugs or alcohol sadly from Coleridge's 'Kubla Khan' onwards.  ajb007/smile  ajb007/martini

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:

Perhaps.  Alcoholism wasn't really seen as a disease in the past, as it is today.

Alcoholism is not a disease although it is perceived that way by people who need an excuse for not being able to stop drinking.

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Peppermill wrote:

Alcoholism is not a disease although it is perceived that way by people who need an excuse for not being able to stop drinking.

This probably means alcoholism has hit close to home for you, and that's the case, I'm sorry.
No, it's not a disease like Ebola or arthritis, more akin to a predisposition like obesity or depression IMO.

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Fleming must have had a drink or two to come up with
Pussy Galore !  ajb007/lol

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It read somewhere (I believe it was the James Bond bedside companion) that Fleming didn't reread what he had written the days before until he finished the first draft of his new novel. I can only imagine the times he went " What the hell?!?!? When did I write this? This is absurd! O well, carry on."

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I think that's one of the reasons so many writers/ Musicians
Drink and do drugs as it makes them think in an unconventional
Manner, so creating some stunning stories and music.
  I'd much rather have a stoned rocker to a sanctimonious, self -
Publicising one like Bono !  ajb007/lol

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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I've known and know a lot of musicians (my brother is one) and artists and from personal experience what I've learned is that there are two kinds.  One is predisposed to addiction chemically (heredity usually) or they evolve into it through their associations.  Some claim they get their creative ideas through drugs and that does happen but more often than not they don't.  They use drugs for recreation because they enter professions like journalism, music, film, sports, etc., that encourage it and have constant access to it.  These professions rely on a large degree of marketing and socializing that includes events such as parties, ceremonies, fundraisers and on.  Alcohol, marijuana, tobacco and the harder drugs are present at these functions.  These include anything from the journalist's "boys at the bar" after work or musicians during or after recording sessions to the industry awards shows.

Is alcoholism a disease?  Yes, according to the medical profession:

Alcoholism or alcohol dependence is defined by the American Medical Association as "a primary, chronic disease with genetic, psychosocial, and environmental factors influencing its development and manifestations." - and there is no cure.

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CmdrAtticus wrote:

there is no cure.

That's what they said about AIDS.
It's always more profitable to treat a disease rather than cure it.
Medicine, war, prisons... they're all businesses.
*rant over*

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But it is only a problem if the person is drinking. What is an alcoholic that stopped drinking? According to (a part of) the medical world he will remain an alcoholic the rest of is life. Can you be an alcoholic without ever having touched a drink in your life? According to the medical world you can.

Can you suffer from obesity while having been 20 pounds underweight your entire life?

The cure for alcoholism is to stop taking the thing that makes you ill; liquor itself.

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Peppermill wrote:

What is an alcoholic that stopped drinking? According to (a part of) the medical world he will remain an alcoholic the rest of is life.

That's so money can continue to be made in the form of ongoing 'treatment' for those tagged.
....Or how a guy wrongly accused of world domination plots will always have an arrest record (I never even had the money to purchase the deep core drilling equipment needed to open up the Earth's tectonic plates & fry half the planet). 
Because it's ALL a BUSINESS.
Labels identify potential ongoing financial prospects.

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I think all of this is for a different Discussion  ajb007/lol

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Yes I think it is. You are right of course. However, like chrisisall correctly surmised this one hit pretty close to home that's why my response might be a bit bit fiery.

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I think every family has had at least one or two
Alcoholics, in them.  ajb007/crap  luckily for me, I started
Working in pubs etc , so from an early age I've
seen some of the nasty sides of drinking,  Probably
Why I have no great interest in the stuff. Although on
An amusing note. George Best was once asked what
happened to all his money. He replied about 90% went on
Women, cars and parties. The rest he just wasted !   ajb007/lol

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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Thunderpussy wrote:

I think every family has had at least one or two
Alcoholics, in them.  ajb007/crap  luckily for me, I started
Working in pubs etc , so from an early age I've
seen some of the nasty sides of drinking,  Probably
Why I have no great interest in the stuff. Although on
An amusing note. George Best was once asked what
happened to all his money. He replied about 90% went on
Women, cars and parties. The rest he just wasted !   ajb007/lol


Great quote!

Last rat standing.

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Thunderpussy wrote:

Bond



I'm glad to hear you have a brain that's been used, TP  ajb007/lol

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Hardly used, I think you'll find   ajb007/wink

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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It's still in the Factory  ajb007/lol

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When Fleming was writing Bond, there were, as far as society was concerned, heavy drinkers like Bond, who could control,or handle their liquor, and those who couldn't, who were called "drunks",and it was considered one's own fault if he or she was a "drunk". There was an element of shame attached to being a drunk.Also smoking was prevalent. My family had a well stocked liquor cabinet, yet I never recall anyone being obviously "drunk"(i.e. acting drunk). Of course, my parents never invited anybody like that over .
I had to wait until college to encounter anyone falling down, vomiting, passing out drunk ajb007/rolleyes ....

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I was gonna add to this thread but I think maybe it's become to,personalised and controversial.

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Yes, I had no Intention of it turning into this  ajb007/crap .

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As I have previously posted, I don't think there is a family that hasn't been
Affected by alcohol. ( My God you should see what my family put away at
Weddings etc )  while I barely touch the stuff.
I recently photographed a wedding and for the first time ever, I didn't get
Any family photos ( Parents, siblings with Bride and Groom)  as No one could
get the families away from the bar ! 
   Although funnily enough I have met more and more people who don't
Drink, so maybe it is slowly changing.
As for Bond, in the Books yes he'd be a really heavy drinker.

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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Peppermill wrote:
Absolutely_Cart wrote:

Perhaps.  Alcoholism wasn't really seen as a disease in the past, as it is today.

Alcoholism is not a disease although it is perceived that way by people who need an excuse for not being able to stop drinking.

Alcoholism is certainly not a disease. The same way smoking/ obesity/ etc aren't either.

They can all cause disease, but are not diseases themselves.

On that topic, it makes one wonder how many calories Bond consumed with his drinking?  I reckon his excercise routine would not be sufficient to keep him in good shape. All that alcohol along with fattening foods would soon take it's toll.

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Back in the 50's, no one really took any Notice of Calorie Intakes, Smoking, Drinking, etc.

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