Charles Helfenstein's The Making of The Living Daylights & OHMSS

Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,788MI6 Agent
edited February 2015 in James Bond Literature
NB! This thread is really the same thread as the TLD thread I started, but changed to involve OHMSS too.



I've just finished this book and I enjoyed it a lot. TLD is a Bond movie I've always liked and was probaby the first Bond I saw. I don't count it among the best five, but I rank it as a very solid entry. The book goes into great detail about the development and sources of the short story, the development of the script and the casting process. These first three chapters are very good and were the ones I found the most interesting. Did you know TLD was not written with Roger Moore in mind, contrary to popular myth? Or that the cellist/assassin was inspired by Fleming's half sister Amarylis who prefered practising the cello in the nude? For a long time a landing on an aircraft carrier with a C-130 was in the script. I have suggested a landing on an aircraft carrier using a mid-size transport/passenger plane for some time, so I obviosly liked that idea! These are only a few of the nuggets I found in the first part of the book. The chapter about the pre-production was also interesting, but the chapters about the filming is more by the numbers and sometimes reads a bit like a list of locations and filming dates. I personally found the chapter about the music well worth reading because of the parts about the problems between John Barry and the Norwegan band a-ha. For me the chapter about the marketing was dull. Often a listing of posters, tie-in products etc that I care little about. All in all I liked the book and I look forward to reading the author's book about the making of OHMSS, one of my favourite Bonds. I really hope Helfenstein writes more about the Bond film series. Since both his books so far are about debut movies for Bond actors, I hope and expect he'll write about DN, LALD, GE and perhaps CR too.
Has anyone else read this book or the OHMSS book?

Comments

  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    I've been wanting to purchase this for a while now -{
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,688MI6 Agent
    I've been wanting to purchase this for a while now -{

    I've been meaning to get this too. I've read parts of his OHMSS book and would highly recommend it. Charles Helfenstein is also a member of AJB - doublenoughtspy and a moderator on CBn:

    http://www.ajb007.co.uk/user/5462/
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,788MI6 Agent
    I didn't know that! We have excelent members here on AJB :007)
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    Like me for instance :007) :))
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,292MI6 Agent
    Any more books from him in the pipeline?
    Instagram - bondclothes007
  • David SchofieldDavid Schofield EnglandPosts: 1,528MI6 Agent
    Have had them both since publication. Cracking books, the OHMSS one is the best because its has a greater tale to tell about a better film

    Some reviews here on Charles' site on the OHMSS one from the great and good in the Bond world. And by some riff-raff at the seventh one down. http://www.ohmss.info/reviews.html

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  • BleuvilleBleuville Posts: 384MI6 Agent
    I've been wanting to purchase this for a while now -{

    I bought the OHMSS book (not in bookshops-so bought in faith!) and it is excellent.
    All aspects of the film and advertising etc covered.
    I haven't got the TLDaylights one -yet
    The OHMSS one was about £40 at the time.

    I think Mr. Helfenstein chose these two, as other films do have "The Making of.. " books
    whereas these didn't.

    Bleuville.
  • David SchofieldDavid Schofield EnglandPosts: 1,528MI6 Agent
    Bleuville wrote:
    I think Mr. Helfenstein chose these two, as other films do have "The Making of.. " books
    whereas these didn't.

    Bleuville.

    Well, possibly....

    But it could also be that Charles has been one of the leading experts on OHMSS for years, with a large collection of unique memorabilia from the film. Also, Tim Dalton is his favourite incarnation of Bond and as he explains in the TLD book, it is a homage to Tim.

    Now, can you point me in the direction of, say, the Making of from Russia With Love you suggest is out there? 8-)
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,788MI6 Agent
    While Helfenstein seems accurate and very well informed, he manages to name Pål Waaktaar, songwriter and member of a-ha, Whitaker :o
    He does so several times. The blunder probably comes from the fact that Joe don Baker's character is called Whitaker.
    Now I'm reading Helfenstein's "The making of OHMSS" and so far I love it. :007)
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,788MI6 Agent
    edited February 2015
    Now I have read Helfenstein's book about OHMSS and it's at least as good as the TLD one. This is one of my favourite Bond Movies, so I really looked forward to reading it. What I didn't mention about his LTK book was the many photos from the shooting of the movie. The OHMSS book has even more "new" photos from the making of the movie, and I loved seeing them. The book also has a lot of information about OHMSS -r4a eal gold mine for us fans. Here are some nuggets I found: Fleming saw Bond as a Scotsman even before Connery was cast in the role, but without the Scotish accent. The 'This never happened to the other fella- line was origionally 'This never happened to Sean Connery', so the line clearly refers tp Connery and not Prince Charming(the shoe in Bond's hand) or anyone else. The screenwriter Richard Maibaum wrote a scene involving monkeys for OHMSS. When it was (thankfully) scraped he tried to re-use it in TLD. I'm glad that never happened too, The Stagliano cemetary in Genova, Italy, was considered for the PTS. This pleased me greatly, since I have suggested this location several times. Hopefully it wbe used some time in the future. I also enjoyed the overview of the ten different script versions and how they varied in terms of locations, gadgets, dialogue etc. I can deffinately recomend this book and I hope Helfenstein will continue writing about Bond movies.
  • David SchofieldDavid Schofield EnglandPosts: 1,528MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Here are some nuggets I found: Fleming saw Bond as a Scotsman even before Connery was cast in the role, but without the Scotish accent..

    Not entirely so. Here's what I pointed out on the books publication in debate with Charles on CBN in 2010:

    "Charles establishes that Fleming set in motion reseach to confirm whether there might be a Scottish line to Bond heritage. The research does not prove such, nor does it entirely rule out the possibility.

    However, what is established fact is that Fleming publicly disclosed a Scottish link for Bond with the publication of OHMSS AFTER he had seen Sean Connery as Bond in Dr No.

    Therefore, until anyone produces documentary evidence that states Fleming DEFINTATELY intended Bond to be Scottish prior to Connery's performance, the point is mute.

    As I have pointed out elsewhere, Fleming did not use the reseach he had commissioned in his immediate novel, The Spy Who Loved Me. He waited until OHMSS, by which time Connery's performance was public and hugely praised...."

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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,788MI6 Agent
    But he asked for the research to find out if Bond could be Scotish two years before he met Connery, so there is little doubt he thought of it before Connery.
  • David SchofieldDavid Schofield EnglandPosts: 1,528MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    But he asked for the research to find out if Bond could be Scotish two years before he met Connery, so there is little doubt he thought of it before Connery.

    But if you read Charles' point (and my comments, for what they're worth) Fleming only has research carried out, research which proved nothing definitive, and which Fleming did not immediately use.

    He may have investigated the possibility of a Scottish Bond line which came to nothing as there was no evidence to support it. (He may have carried out much other research he never used in the books). However, as soon as Sean Connery becomes James Bond and a box office hit with the part, James Bond suddenly remembers he has Scottish blood....?
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,788MI6 Agent
    Can we agree that Fleming considered making Bond Scotish before Connery was involved?
  • David SchofieldDavid Schofield EnglandPosts: 1,528MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Can we agree that Fleming considered making Bond Scotish before Connery was involved?

    We can probably agree Fleming investigated much which was unused. His note books held by IFP would be fascinating to see, even just from the little bits that have been revealed.

    That he looked into a Scottish Bond line seems undisputable from Charles' info, though such a line was unproven, and potential Scottishess remained unused for a number of years after the research took place.

    Had such been identified or not, perhaps he might have used it without Connery. But I suspect had Richard Johnson agreed to be James Bond in DOCTOR NO, I'm pretty sure Bond would never have become Scottish... :o ;) :))
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    Why yesh :D
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,788MI6 Agent
    + 1 yesh
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,652MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Can we agree that Fleming considered making Bond Scotish before Connery was involved?

    We can probably agree Fleming investigated much which was unused. His note books held by IFP would be fascinating to see, even just from the little bits that have been revealed.

    That he looked into a Scottish Bond line seems undisputable from Charles' info, though such a line was unproven, and potential Scottishess remained unused for a number of years after the research took place.

    Had such been identified or not, perhaps he might have used it without Connery. But I suspect had Richard Johnson agreed to be James Bond in DOCTOR NO, I'm pretty sure Bond would never have become Scottish... :o ;) :))

    Seems like there's a lot of desire for the Connery-Scottish Bond connection to be real.
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
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