When was Fleming's Bond born?

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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    Well, Gardner moved The Dates forward to the late 60's/ early 70's.
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  • David SchofieldDavid Schofield EnglandPosts: 1,528MI6 Agent
    Asp9mm wrote:
    Asp9mm wrote:

    That's what I said, they took place weeks apart in the same year. But the books were published in 1961 for TB and 1962 for TSWLM. So you can't go by publication dates. YOLT obituray is as close as you'll get to working out Bond's age according to Fleming. He'll be 91 this year :o

    There is a school of thought among those that try make sense of any of this that while TB is defo dated 1959, TSWLM takes place in the first few weeks of the period covered by OHMSS, autumn 1961... -{

    If TB took place in 59 then TSWLM can't be as late as Autumn 61. In TSWLM, Bond clearly says that he was working on the Thunderball case less than a year ago and he is in Canada mopping up a few loose ends, so TSWLM would at least have to be set in 1959 to early/mid 1960 as Thunderball took place in June 1959.

    Few observations for what its worth (and I don't necessarily subscribe to the 61 TWSLM theory):

    TB was June 59 - TSWLM takes place in autumn, lets say four month's later; would anyone - inc JB say - that the TB case was "less than a year ago"? No, he'd say a few months ago...

    I think you can date Vivienne's history to 60 or 61.

    Finally, who was John Kennedy in 1959? No one.

    It's all contradictory IF bollocks, not worth worrying about. But I can't see TSWLM taking place as close to TB as you suggest :) -{
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,483MI6 Agent

    It's all contradictory IF bollocks, not worth worrying about. But I can't see TSWLM taking place as close to TB as you suggest :) -{

    I agree about it being balls, but that line is in TSWLM book. He actually says when talking to Vivienne 'less than a year ago there was this case of the stolen atomic bombs. It was called operation Thunderball, remember?'. It's not me that suggests it did, it was Fleming. You can't blame me for his inconsistencies :))
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  • David SchofieldDavid Schofield EnglandPosts: 1,528MI6 Agent
    Asp9mm wrote:

    It's all contradictory IF bollocks, not worth worrying about. But I can't see TSWLM taking place as close to TB as you suggest :) -{

    I agree about it being balls, but that line is in TSWLM book. He actually says when talking to Vivienne 'less than a year ago there was this case of the stolen atomic bombs. It was called operation Thunderball, remember?'. It's not me that suggests it did, it was Fleming. You can't blame me for his inconsistencies :))

    I've read on t'Net one theory round that statement that says as OPERATION THUNDERBALL of 1959 would obviously have been covered by a D Notice, JB could have told Viv that it took place anytime as she wouldn't really know a thing about it. As JB's trying to get into her knickers by showing off, and Viv is quite dozy in agreeing she heard of it, it sort of works... :o :p

    Things that are done to make sense of what IF himself didn't give a stuff about -{
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    Colonel Sun takes place in the mid Sixties, with Solo in 69.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    A Solo 69, ? That's so sad. :D
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    :)) :))

    TP Humor at its finest :D
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  • 72897289 Beau DesertPosts: 1,691MI6 Agent
    There is a very well researched book by John Griswold, that will answer questions about the timing of Bond's adventures. Of course it does not attempt to reconcile the Fleming thrillers with the later crap by other authors.

    Ian Fleming's James Bond: Annotations and Chronologies for Ian Fleming's James Bond Stories

    Mr. Griswold determined that TSWLM episode with Bond took place in October 1961. Thunderball was May to June of 1959.
  • barracudabarracuda CataloniaPosts: 97MI6 Agent
    It's a moveable feast. Fleming never stated the date, nor the year and Bond is perennially in his mid 30s throughout the books.

    Pinning it down is problematic, to say the least.
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  • 75vette75vette South Outer BanksPosts: 82MI6 Agent
    barracuda wrote:
    It's a moveable feast. Fleming never stated the date, nor the year and Bond is perennially in his mid 30s throughout the books.

    Pinning it down is problematic, to say the least.

    Doesn't Fleming nail down the DOB as 1924 in YOLT in Bond's obituary published in the Times?
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    75vette wrote:
    barracuda wrote:
    It's a moveable feast. Fleming never stated the date, nor the year and Bond is perennially in his mid 30s throughout the books.

    Pinning it down is problematic, to say the least.

    Doesn't Fleming nail down the DOB as 1924 in YOLT in Bond's obituary published in the Times?

    It's implied, but not stated directly.
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