Pros and Cons: You Only Live Twice

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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,060Chief of Staff
    Does anybody besides me think Connery's performance here wasn't all that bad?

    Me.

    And me. Not his best, but even here he radiates charisma and... Bondness??? :o
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    even here he radiates charisma and... Bondness

    In spades! {[]
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,988Quartermasters
    Most certainly -{ And we all know he was FED UP with it, and didn't really enjoy the shoot at all. Still very high on my own personal list.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I've told this story before but, As teen I worked as a Barman in
    A local football club, and remember the first time YOLT was to
    be shown on TV. It was like watching a big football match, as all
    The men sat watching it. :)) many people like Bond. ;)
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  • DigificWriterDigificWriter Posts: 191MI6 Agent
    Pros:
    + Aki
    + The usage of SPECTRE
    + Giving the audience their first 'proper' introduction to Blofeld at the same time that Bond meets the character
    + Tiger Tanaka's ninja commandos
    + The aerial dogfight above Japan between Bond and Little Nellie and SPECTRE's helicopter pilots

    Cons:
    - Kissy Suzuki and her role in the story
    - Bond disguised as a Japanese man
    - Bond's sham marriage to Kissy Suzuki
    - Some of the goofier elements of the storyline (the design of "Bird One", the way in which it physically 'gobbled up' spaceships, the way in which people were shown dying by piranha in Blofeld's apartment)
    - The goofier aspects of the way Aki's death was presented
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    I actually prefer YOLT to TB.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    I actually prefer YOLT to TB.
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  • DigificWriterDigificWriter Posts: 191MI6 Agent
    If Roald Dahl's screenplay hadn't treated some stuff as goofily as it did, YOLT might beat out Thunderball as my favorite of the pre-Craig films I've seen so far, but, for now, TB takes that title because, while I liked the way that SPECTRE was used in YOLT more than the way they were used in TB, TB's tone is ultimately more 'even', which gives it the edge over DN, YOLT, and FRwL for me.
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    A few cons I just have to add:

    - The special effects in this film are dodgy. Especially the helicopter models being blown up.
    - The fight scene at the docks drags and the choreography feels like something from a local am-dram society
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  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    - The goofier aspects of the way Aki's death was presented

    Sorry, but in what way was Akis death seem goofy? (not that I'd ever use that word)

    I thought it was quite harrowing
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    I agree with broadshoulder, I don't find Aki's death goofy.
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    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    I agree with broadshoulder, I don't find Aki's death goofy.

    Same here. I think it's the saddest death of any Bond girl after Tracy and Vesper (M doesn't count). It was a very well done scene.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,060Chief of Staff
    Same goes for me, too.
  • DutchJamesBondFanDutchJamesBondFan the NetherlandsPosts: 414MI6 Agent
    I actually prefer YOLT to TB.

    So do I, I've watched it yesterday evening since a long, long time. Way more fun than I thought.
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  • DigificWriterDigificWriter Posts: 191MI6 Agent
    - The goofier aspects of the way Aki's death was presented

    Sorry, but in what way was Akis death seem goofy? (not that I'd ever use that word)

    I thought it was quite harrowing

    I felt like the poison worked too fast, and the gasp she gave felt too exaggerated to me.

    If they'd slowed down the frames a bit and toned down her gasp, I think it would've worked better.
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    - The goofier aspects of the way Aki's death was presented

    Sorry, but in what way was Akis death seem goofy? (not that I'd ever use that word)

    I thought it was quite harrowing

    I felt like the poison worked too fast, and the gasp she gave felt too exaggerated to me.

    If they'd slowed down the frames a bit and toned down her gasp, I think it would've worked better.

    Sorry but her gasping for breath is horrible. You actually see her die..

    That man dripping poison down a wire. Horrible way to go...
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  • hehadlotsofgutshehadlotsofguts Durham England Posts: 2,107MI6 Agent
    Aki's assassin's death is too quick. 2 shots and that's it.
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  • DigificWriterDigificWriter Posts: 191MI6 Agent

    Sorry, but in what way was Akis death seem goofy? (not that I'd ever use that word)

    I thought it was quite harrowing

    I felt like the poison worked too fast, and the gasp she gave felt too exaggerated to me.

    If they'd slowed down the frames a bit and toned down her gasp, I think it would've worked better.

    Sorry but her gasping for breath is horrible. You actually see her die..

    That man dripping poison down a wire. Horrible way to go...

    The way they filmed the entire thing gave it an element of goofiness/lightness (IMO) that really ought not to have been there.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent

    I felt like the poison worked too fast, and the gasp she gave felt too exaggerated to me.

    If they'd slowed down the frames a bit and toned down her gasp, I think it would've worked better.

    Sorry but her gasping for breath is horrible. You actually see her die..

    That man dripping poison down a wire. Horrible way to go...

    The way they filmed the entire thing gave it an element of goofiness/lightness (IMO) that really ought not to have been there.

    I don't know where you get this from. It's a really dark scene.
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  • DigificWriterDigificWriter Posts: 191MI6 Agent
    ^ It didn't feel that way to me.

    I can't really explain WHY it didn't feel that way to me other than to use the terms I've used, but it is what it is.
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent

    I felt like the poison worked too fast, and the gasp she gave felt too exaggerated to me.

    If they'd slowed down the frames a bit and toned down her gasp, I think it would've worked better.

    Sorry but her gasping for breath is horrible. You actually see her die..

    That man dripping poison down a wire. Horrible way to go...

    goofiness?? :)) :)) :)) :))

    The way they filmed the entire thing gave it an element of goofiness/lightness (IMO) that really ought not to have been there.

    goofiness?? :)) :)) :)) :))
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  • DigificWriterDigificWriter Posts: 191MI6 Agent
    When I watched Aki's death in YOLT, I didn't feel the same sense of seriousness that I did when I watched Tracy's and Vesper's deaths in OHMSS and CR, respectively. In comparison to those two deaths, it felt more lighthearted and goofy to me.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    When I watched Aki's death in YOLT, I didn't feel the same sense of seriousness that I did when I watched Tracy's and Vesper's deaths in OHMSS and CR, respectively. In comparison to those two deaths, it felt more lighthearted and goofy to me.

    You must have been laughing when Tilly Masterson was killed. :))
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  • DigificWriterDigificWriter Posts: 191MI6 Agent
    Tilly's death ought to have been accompanied by some blood on her neck from where Oddjob's hat hit her, but it otherwise worked.

    Aki's death just didn't have the 'gravitas' it needed to, at least for me.
  • The Wicker ManThe Wicker Man EnglandPosts: 434MI6 Agent
    Aki's death is definitely not goofy. :(
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,060Chief of Staff
    Tilly's death ought to have been accompanied by some blood on her neck from where Oddjob's hat hit her

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_British_film_certificates

    Not if they wanted the film to have the right certificate. If there had been blood there, then the makers would've had to sacrifice some other element they preferred to keep in.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Aki's death is so serious that I avoided the film for many years because of it... :#
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    I think Aki's likeability is one of the things that makes her death so undesirable. She has such a cute smile, and Bond's "wife" doesn't even come close to her in terms of likeability, in my opinion.
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    New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
    1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
    Bond actors to be re-ranked later
  • DiabolikDiabolik TexasPosts: 117MI6 Agent
    Aki's death just didn't have the 'gravitas' it needed to, at least for me.
    One of my few issues with YOLT is how Aki is killed, then forgotten 5 minutes later and Bond is given his "consolation prize." Aki is one my favorite Bond girls and her quick exit and replacement feels insulting.
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