Devil's Advocate, defending the indefensible ?

ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
edited December 2015 in General James Bond Chat
For discussion purposes, is it possible for anyone ( For fun) to defend some
Unpopular ideas. Let one discussion run for a day or so, then post another on an
Unpopular, film, character, script etc.

First up. Christmas Jones was a good character. ?

Most of the anti Jones arguments seem based around, Denise Richards being
far too beautiful to be a nuclear scientist, but surely this is based on the old
Greek legend idea, that women gave up intelligence for the gift of beauty. Which
Of course is just an old fable as many beautiful women are also highly intelligent.
Her costume is clearly based on " Laura Croft" strangely another strong female
character. Who regularly outwits her male opponents, in both mental and physical
tasks, while keeping her femininity.
So as a character, Christmas Jones fits perfectly in to Bond's world, a beautiful,
intelligent woman. Infact just the sort of woman Bond would be attracted to.

Any thoughts on defending Christmas ? ;)
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
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  • The Red KindThe Red Kind EnglandPosts: 3,119MI6 Agent
    Ha! Good fun. Okay I'll play along.. :)

    Christmas Jones was too young to be a nuclear physicist ? Why so? She's obviously extremely intelligent, there are loads of 20 something's, especially in the world of technology and science that are mind-blowingly smart. The fact she's young also means that she's probably keen to travel and see the world, take a position overseas rather than stateside.

    She's physically fit and a good assistant to Bond during some technically difficult parts of the mission. Arguably, without her Renard would have won..

    Let's get her back for Bond 25! More mature now and holding a senior position in a Nuclear Research Laboratory targeted by Blofeld.

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    "Any of the opposition around..?"
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Nice idea to get her back ;) sadly though since the reboot, I don't
    think she exists in Craig's Bond's world.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • The Red KindThe Red Kind EnglandPosts: 3,119MI6 Agent
    Which is such a damn shame.. :))
    "Any of the opposition around..?"
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    So... Christmas only came once?

    (runs and hides)
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    You are right to Hide ! :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    Nice idea to get her back ;) sadly though since the reboot, I don't
    think she exists in Craig's Bond's world.

    C'mon, surely anything is now possible in the Bon-diverse. It would be fun to fuse the timelines and collapse the separation...it would open up all sorts of possibilities...can you imagine the factions, schisms, rifts, and internecine war fair/ fun we could have. Also ( and this matters) she was gorgeous, ok not Plenty gorgeous, but close enough for government work in my view. Oh wait she might be a tad tall though :(|)
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    That would surely close the Einstein Rosen Bridge ! :o
    That can not be allowed :D This is utter madness, faction would
    Attack faction. Moore fans fighting Dalton fans, it would be the
    Craig wars all over again, ;)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • MilleniumForceMilleniumForce LondonPosts: 1,214MI6 Agent
    Christmas Jones wasn't that great of a character, played by Richards or not. She was poorly written, and all she does in the film is give out all the exposition. Seriously, how good would it have been if the only Bond girl in the film was also the villain?

    I'll give you an example of the bad writing for her character:

    Bond: What are you doing out here?
    Jones: Avoiding questions like that.

    I'm sorry, Christmas, but who the hell would be asking you those questions? The only reason anyone would ever ask here a question like that is because she IS out there. No one would question her about why she is somewhere if she wasn't where she was. So, no, she's not avoiding those questions. BECAUSE THOSE QUESTIONS WOULD NOT EXIST IF YOU WERENT THERE!!!!!!!
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Some good points MF -{ but the idea is to play Devil's Advocate, and
    Defend the indefensible ;) . For fun, could you counter your own argument ?
    As an exercise.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • GoldHildingGoldHilding WinnipegPosts: 58MI6 Agent
    We had a discussion on this for our TWINE podcast for Double Oz Seven. I was of the opinion that the same character played by another actress would have been half decent. Not great by any means, as she doesn't have an invested interest in the story and is mostly there to spout technical jargon, but I doubt she'd be hated if Teri Hatcher had played her instead of Richards.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,704MI6 Agent
    As mentioned, Christmas is young for someone with a degree like that. In other words she must be very inteligent. But she shows her talent in the field of spycraft too, by hiding her inteligence so expertly :D
    In adition to her job as conveyor of exposition, she has the traditional Bond girl job of eye candy. The importance of this job can't be overstated, and Christmas does a stellar job!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Is Christmas Jones attractive ? Can't say I ever noticed !
    I have too much respect for her as a scientist. ;)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    Looks have no bearing on intelligence. She's very smart, just immature. Her mind is ahead of her maturity, and that's not unrealistic. I know plenty of people who are like that.
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  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    I don't understand why everybody is getting on about her?
    there are so many elements that could be discussed, but it's always this
    "You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Wait untill you see my next discussion point ;)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,239MI6 Agent
    I like the chemistry she has with Brosnan, and some of his good jokes, like when he puts on a Russian accent and does the language.

    You may as well say that Bond is no kind of a secret agent, too ostensible with his tastes, too good looking and so on. Some seem to hate her cos she's American, and they get a bad rap in the films, it's as if Yanks are watching it thinking, well, she's like the annoying prom date I never had back at high school, whereas the European chicks would no doubt appreciate my finer qualities... :))

    Makes you wonder how they would have taken to Pussy Galore had she been the Texan of the GF novel rather than the rather haughty English Honor Blackman in the film.
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Agreed, the Americans do like a British accent.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    Wait untill you see my next discussion point ;)

    keep me posted -{
    "You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    "If I were to break the news to anyone it would be to you first. You know that,
    But it's late, I'm tired and there's so much left to do. Goodnight Mr HTH"

    ( that's especially for Higgins, I know he loves a quote, just shoved in ) :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    Tomorrow's news today? :)
    "You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    Family friendly site, guys, keep it clean. Well, cleaner anyway. Several posts edited or deleted.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,704MI6 Agent
    My post wasn't censured. I'm not sure if I should be relieved or offended :))
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 SwitzerlandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    My post wasn't censured. I'm not sure if I should be relieved or offended :))


    Mine was deleted, I was quoting Sterling Archer, I guess he is too naughty :)) :))
    Dalton Rulez™
  • MilleniumForceMilleniumForce LondonPosts: 1,214MI6 Agent
    Some good points MF -{ but the idea is to play Devil's Advocate, and
    Defend the indefensible ;) . For fun, could you counter your own argument ?
    As an exercise.

    Hmmmm, ok. She was definitely attractive.................................no, that's all I can think of.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    :)) she is indeed.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Charmed & DangerousCharmed & Dangerous Posts: 7,358MI6 Agent
    No-one else could handle a PDA while hurtling through a pipeline on a 'pig' to defuse a nuclear bomb, with quite the same panache. For that alone Christmas ranks amongst the finest Bond girls. In fact, Denise chews up every scene that she's in.... making them a bit of a Christmas dinner, you might say... :D :o
    "How was your lamb?" "Skewered. One sympathises."
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    On the subject of Christmas, you can be a bit of a "card" yourself ;% :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    Who cares?
    She looks absolutely gorgeous in those Lara Croft hotpants, I actually prefer her clearly over Angelina Jolie in that costume :D
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    You shouldn't be watching them, wearing that costume. :v
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    :)) :)) :))
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
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