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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I think for what it's worth, the series is as much a study on the characters, and
    their relationships, as about solving crimes. I'm just as entertained by Holmes and
    Watson's interaction as anything.
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  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,483MI6 Agent
    No, you missed the point. It wasn't. it was a self delusional episode brought on inside his mind to work out a problem. The historical aspect was not real. If it was I could have worked with that. But it was never meant to be. It was a contrived 'solving of a problem' inside his head. His 'mind palace'.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    I think for what it's worth, the series is as much a study on the characters, and
    their relationships, as about solving crimes. I'm just as entertained by Holmes and
    Watson's interaction as anything.

    Stephen Moffat has said that originally the focus was to be on the setting (how H&W would react in 2010 London) but when they realised how well the two leads worked together they switched the emphasis onto their interaction.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    Asp9mm wrote:
    No, you missed the point. It wasn't. it was a self delusional episode brought on inside his mind to work out a problem. The historical aspect was not real. If it was I could have worked with that. But it was never meant to be. It was a contrived 'solving of a problem' inside his head. His 'mind palace'.

    Of course I didn't miss that. There were references to the Ricoletti murder(s) as being historical outside the delusion.
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,483MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    I think for what it's worth, the series is as much a study on the characters, and
    their relationships, as about solving crimes. I'm just as entertained by Holmes and
    Watson's interaction as anything.

    Stephen Moffat has said that originally the focus was to be on the setting (how H&W would react in 2010 London) but when they realised how well the two leads worked together they switched the emphasis onto their interaction.

    The problem is that Gatiss and Mofatt have very different views on how the series should progress. Gatiss was more in control in series 1 and 2, and you can see the difference when Mofatt decided to devote more of his time and effort into series 3. This latest episode had Mofatt in control and he is pushing to be the showrunner while putting Doctor Who on the back burner next year. Cumberbatch has already expressed concerns, which is why there has been little amount of Sherlock filmed. He wants out. With Doctor Strange being filmed now, and him committing to two further Sherlock episodes with the current production, we will see him again, but in a reduced role. If Gatiss had been in control, Cumberbatch would have committed to two full seasons.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    Asp9mm wrote:
    The problem is that Gatiss and Mofatt have very different views on how the series should progress. Gatiss was more in control in series 1 and 2, and you can see the difference when Mofatt decided to devote more of his time and effort into series 3. This latest episode had Mofatt in control and he is pushing to be the showrunner while putting Doctor Who on the back burner next year. Cumberbatch has already expressed concerns, which is why there has been little amount of Sherlock filmed. He wants out. With Doctor Strange being filmed now, and him committing to two further Sherlock episodes with the current production, we will see him again, but in a reduced role. If Gatiss had been in control, Cumberbatch would have committed to two full seasons.

    Now there I agree with you- although I feel Cumberbatch will come back to the role over the years as his schedule permits.
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,483MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    Asp9mm wrote:
    No, you missed the point. It wasn't. it was a self delusional episode brought on inside his mind to work out a problem. The historical aspect was not real. If it was I could have worked with that. But it was never meant to be. It was a contrived 'solving of a problem' inside his head. His 'mind palace'.

    Of course I didn't miss that. There were references to the Ricoletti murder(s) as being historical outside the delusion.

    Indeed, but for an intelligent series that it started off as, it was exceptionally lazy writing that shoe horned it in with no real explanation of the facts and how they were solved. For example - If he was not there in the first place, how would he have heard a window smash or know the facts if he wasn't making it up from his own POV, which is shown. It was just a cheap trick to lull the audience into the story. And based upon reactions. No one is really buying it, as it was a non-story.
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  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,483MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    Asp9mm wrote:
    The problem is that Gatiss and Mofatt have very different views on how the series should progress. Gatiss was more in control in series 1 and 2, and you can see the difference when Mofatt decided to devote more of his time and effort into series 3. This latest episode had Mofatt in control and he is pushing to be the showrunner while putting Doctor Who on the back burner next year. Cumberbatch has already expressed concerns, which is why there has been little amount of Sherlock filmed. He wants out. With Doctor Strange being filmed now, and him committing to two further Sherlock episodes with the current production, we will see him again, but in a reduced role. If Gatiss had been in control, Cumberbatch would have committed to two full seasons.

    Now there I agree with you- although I feel Cumberbatch will come back to the role over the years as his schedule permits.

    He won't. Trust me, he hates the way the series is heading. It's a miracle he signed up for the two one off specials. There's some controversy over what was shot, and what was shown already on this last special. I wouldn't be surprised if he walked away completely. Daniel Craig's comments on shooting another Bond are nothing compared to BC's feelings on shooting Sherlock. It's a damned shame and I'm pee'd off it's going down like it is. I loved this series.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    Asp9mm wrote:

    He won't. Trust me, he hates the way the series is heading. It's a miracle he signed up for the two one off specials.

    http://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/625238/Benedict-Cumberbatch-Sherlock-Christmas-Special-future-series-Martin-Freeman "We'll see how the next series goes", he's quoted as saying.
    Seriously, the role is a safety net for him (and of course Watson for Freeman)- while they're getting big film offers, they can do an occasional Sherlock as their schedule allows. If their film offers cool off, it's always there- and when they're old, they can still return to the parts (the characters are fairly age-proof: Peter Cushing for example played Holmes in his 40s, 50s, and 70s). I would be very surprised if Cumberbatch walked away completely: he'll stall the producers, sure, but not break away completely and, er, never say never again.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    So many funny lines and bits of business in the Sherlock special. I enjoyed
    Mrs Watson saying as the boys went off on an adventure ...
    " Am I supposed to sit here all night doing nothing ?"
    Only to get the reply from Watson ......
    " Certainly not my Dear, when we get back, I'm sure we'll be hungry ". :))
    In other words, woman get in the kitchen. ;)
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    https://youtu.be/UKNyaFJGwU0
    New Trailer for Sherlock series 4.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 26,416Chief of Staff
    And the last series of Elementary starts on Sky Living tomorrow -{
    YNWA 97
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    :# I've enjoyed that show, though not as much as Sherlock.

    (Would it have been too cheesy, at the time when US Holmes & Watson were in London, for them to have spotted Cumberbatch & Freeman across the street, exchange a glance, then walk on...?)
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 26,416Chief of Staff
    Possibly, but a nice 'nod' all the same...I enjoy Lee-Miller's take on Holmes, quite different from the usual but oddly reminiscent :s
    YNWA 97
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    Agreed, Lee-Miller is excellent.

    Sidenote: many of the actors involved in the Sherlock Holmes films/TV series have also been involved in the films of the Frankenstein story. Can this be a coincidence?

    Basil Rathbone (Holmes/Frankenstein), Peter Cushing (Holmes/Frankenstein), Christopher Lee (Sherlock Holmes/Mycroft Holmes/The Creature/Sir Henry Baskerville), Benedict Cumberbatch (Holmes/Frankenstein/The Monster), Jonny Lee-Miller* (Holmes/Frankenstein/The Monster), Thorley Walters (Watson/Frankenstein's assistant) etc etc

    Plus of course the currently ongoing Penny Dreadful series which could go anywhere?

    * and his grandfather Bernard Lee (M, of course) was in Frankenstein And The Monster From Hell.
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 26,416Chief of Staff
    Barbel wrote:
    Plus of course the currently ongoing Penny Dreadful series which could go anywhere?

    Alas not, as that series has now ended completely :#

    As for the Holmes/Frankenstein link - that is quite bizarre :o
    YNWA 97
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Sherlock back on bbc1 tonight at 20:30 :)
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  • CoolHandBondCoolHandBond Mactan IslandPosts: 6,030MI6 Agent
    I will have to wait until it appears on the BBC catch-up app :)
    Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    A bit disappointed in this episode, tbh.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Agreed, I was a little bored at times. :#
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  • IanTIanT Posts: 573MI6 Agent
    The first of a new series of Sherlock often is a bit slow. Hopefully ep 2 will be as good as the one from series 3
  • Revolver66Revolver66 Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 470MI6 Agent
    I thought this episode was a slight improvement on the first episode of series 3, however it isn't a patch on the first 2 series, which were both nothing short of brilliant. Television at it's finest. It's a shame to see it go downhill a bit. It's just a tad too hokey and cliched now. Still it was entertaining and I will be back for more next week :))
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 26,416Chief of Staff
    Well I enjoyed it...I thought the banter was great throughout...looking forward to the second part -{
    YNWA 97
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    2nd episode of Sherlock on BBC 1 tonight at 21:00. -{
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    Oh dear. Very disappointing. Weak, contrived, not up to par...
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    au contraire, I'm loving it . ;) Several predictions I made from last week have come true ( only in
    Conversation, with my daughter ) the interaction between Sherlock and Watson, I found very
    Moving.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    If I was forced to find a word, it would be "complacent". For the first time since this series began, I'm not looking forward to the next episode. :(
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I'll admit the "crime solving" was a bit weak, the comparison with Jimmy Saville was obvious, but I did
    Enjoy the interaction between the two main characters, the "healing" of both I thought was very well
    Done. ......... It did also have a few laughs. ;)
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    ...ok, I admit that the ending was WONDERFUL!!!#

    (That'll teach me not to comment until a film or whatever is over)
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