Bond film scenes that wouldn't be allowed today.....

MilleniumForceMilleniumForce LondonPosts: 1,214MI6 Agent
Which scenes in Bond do you think soul not be allowed to be put into a film today? I can think of two:

- The barn scene from Goldfinger
- Turning Japanese in You Only Love Twice
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  • always shakenalways shaken LondonPosts: 6,287MI6 Agent
    I would say that in any other organisation, Bond ,wether its Moore ,Connery ,or Brosnan , would have been marched straight into HR for his innuendos towards Moneypenny
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    For health and safety reasons, I doubt the Crocodile escape from LALD
    would be allowed these days , as well as Animal welfare reasons.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Bond became a bit PC after Dalton. Even Craig's era I'm afraid. 8-)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • MarcAngeDracoMarcAngeDraco Piz GloriaPosts: 564MI6 Agent
    "Men come first, women come second" - YOLT
    "Man talk" *slaps bum* - GF
    "Someone's going to wish today had never come" - TB
    "A woman?" - MR

    The characters in the Brosnan age may have been more independent, but at the core of Brosnan's Bond, there was still the same character that Connery-Dalton played, as seen in scenes like "Unless you still want to give me a massage", his briefing with M in GE, "I don't know any doctor jokes", etc.

    Daniel Craig's version, on the other hand, is more PC at his core in CR/QOS, but is [the traditional] Bond in SF and SP.
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    "A woman?" - MR

    Bond is not PC, the film itself treats Dr. Goodhead with respect (apart from her name). I don't know how this line was viewed in 1979, but today I find it quite embarrassing for Bond because Dr. Goodhead is quickly proven to be smarter and more mature than Bond, and Bond knows it. This is much different from Connery's Bond, who can be sexist and still get everything he wants.
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  • MarcAngeDracoMarcAngeDraco Piz GloriaPosts: 564MI6 Agent
    I know Bond isn't PC, but I don't think Babs would have Bond showing surprise at a doctor being a female.
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  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    Lots of the ones noted already, but also any scene where Bond slaps a woman. Many of the scenes with people considered ethnic minorities in the west would also likely be rethought, as they're often patronizing.

    It is interesting to note, however, that so much is viewed with a modern lens and out of context with both the script and the times. The barn scene in Goldfinger, for instance, is seen by some contemporary audiences as a rape, when the script clearly does not support the idea (nor does the spa scene in Thunderball).

    It begs the question of what might be considered inappropriate 50 years from now. I'm sure many contemporary films will be laughable to audiences for their lack of diversity -- so few people of color, for instance, and then only as sidekicks, domestics, and subservients. Europeans and their descendants only represent about 10% of the human race, but to watch most films today, one would think the numbers are closer to 95%. The same might be said about the lack of gay characters or storylines. Bond films also give one the impression that the British Secret Service is allowed to wreak havoc anywhere in the world -- causing untold numbers of casualties and vast amounts of property damage -- but with impunity. Bond's excessive drinking may seem absurd, too.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight Posts: 314MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    "A woman?" - MR

    Bond is not PC, the film itself treats Dr. Goodhead with respect (apart from her name). I don't know how this line was viewed in 1979, but today I find it quite embarrassing for Bond because Dr. Goodhead is quickly proven to be smarter and more mature than Bond, and Bond knows it. This is much different from Connery's Bond, who can be sexist and still get everything he wants.

    Yes. He's being flip in that scene and she's not buying. He then backs off slightly: "James...to my friends".
    I really don't think Bond should ever go to deep into PC territory. He's not a PC character by any stretch and the later films seems to be apologizing for him to a degree. I think it's a pity in this era for the filmmakers to walk on eggshells. Certainly you'd never hear him say "Fetch my shoes" again, but that subtle scene in MR with Holly you don't get much of that anymore. Instead we get the train Vesper dialogue in CR.
  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,234MI6 Agent
    Roger's curry remark in OP.

    M's "I can't imagine why" remark about Kamran having trouble at the airport in TLD.

    Connery slapping Dink's arse in GF.

    Connery slapping Tatiana's arse in FRWL.
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  • The Wicker ManThe Wicker Man EnglandPosts: 434MI6 Agent
    How about in OP when Bond uses one of Q's gadgets to focus in on that ladies cleavage. Human Resources would not be pleased and wouldn't allow this to happen nowadays 'using company property in an inappropriate manner'. It's a sackable offence!
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  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,648MI6 Agent
    How about in OP when Bond uses one of Q's gadgets to focus in on that ladies cleavage. Human Resources would not be pleased and wouldn't allow this to happen nowadays 'using company property in an inappropriate manner'. It's a sackable offence!

    Yes, that's definitely gone! I've really grown to dislike that particular scene as it's so immature and schoolboyish in nature and just plain embarrassing. :#
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Even when first shown, I thought it very "Schoolboyish" , old fashioned even :#
    It's like something from one of those bad 70s sitcoms.
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  • The Wicker ManThe Wicker Man EnglandPosts: 434MI6 Agent
    How about in OP when Bond uses one of Q's gadgets to focus in on that ladies cleavage. Human Resources would not be pleased and wouldn't allow this to happen nowadays 'using company property in an inappropriate manner'. It's a sackable offence!

    Yes, that's definitely gone! I've really grown to dislike that particular scene as it's so immature and schoolboyish in nature and just plain embarrassing. :#

    Yeah, people seem to focus on the 'Tarzan yell' or 'Sit!' scenes as embarrassing but they never trouble me, just a bit of fun really. But the scene with Bond focusing on the woman's cleavage is very embarrassing indeed.
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  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,737MI6 Agent
    "Quarrell fetch my shoes" from Dr. No would be seen as incredibly demeaning and racist these days and have no place in a Bond script these days.
  • hehadlotsofgutshehadlotsofguts Durham England Posts: 2,107MI6 Agent
    Bond slapping a woman around for info, wouldn't be allowed today. Neither would Bond ripping off a woman's clothes to distract a guard.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Bond slapping a woman around for info, wouldn't be allowed today. Neither would Bond ripping off a woman's clothes to distract a guard.
    All the more reason to cherish the older films!
    And before anyone call foul, I'm all for progress in the world, but Bond was never supposed to be a 'nice guy'. He's an anti-hero who happens to do what's right in the end. He's supposed to challenge our ideas of right and wrong.
    However, I may just be preaching to the choir here... -{
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  • CoolHandBondCoolHandBond Mactan IslandPosts: 6,033MI6 Agent
    "Men come first, women come second" - YOLT

    I think the Far East still maintains this attitude today, certainly here in The Philippines the "men come first, women come second" statement is prevalent. Whether it would actually be portrayed as such in a Bond movie is another matter.
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  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Bond slapping a woman around for info, wouldn't be allowed today. Neither would Bond ripping off a woman's clothes to distract a guard.
    All the more reason to cherish the older films!
    And before anyone call foul, I'm all for progress in the world, but Bond was never supposed to be a 'nice guy'. He's an anti-hero who happens to do what's right in the end. He's supposed to challenge our ideas of right and wrong.
    However, I may just be preaching to the choir here... -{

    Interesting...I don't see him as an anti-hero, more of a conflicted establishment figure. Fleming when asked a out Bonds political views said "probably left of my own" He is 'tough and resourceful ' but has a strong moral code, abuses of power get to him as does needless cruelty. He is far too driven by duty to be an anti-hero. What I find interesting about him is how he struggles with and manages the tension between duty, loyalty,and desire. It's clear that he would happily take a Bullet for M and die for his country.
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  • Mr MartiniMr Martini That nice house in the sky.Posts: 2,698MI6 Agent
    Maybe I missed it, but haven't seen smoking a cigarette mentioned.
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    I don't see any reason why Bond should not zoom to that cleavage.

    I mean - It's a great cleavage, ain't it? :v
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  • CoolHandBondCoolHandBond Mactan IslandPosts: 6,033MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    I don't see any reason why Bond should not zoom to that cleavage.

    I mean - It's a great cleavage, ain't it? :v

    Life was certainly more fun back in the day before political correctness reared it's ugly head :D
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    You're absolutely correct my friend, and the only way to go is still living in the 80s like Barbel and my self are doing :D
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,060Chief of Staff
    Maybe for you, young whippersnapper, it's more like the 70s for me! :D

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  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,648MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    I don't see any reason why Bond should not zoom to that cleavage.

    I mean - It's a great cleavage, ain't it? :v

    It is, but it's just all rather childish (and one could say even rather perverted) and is certainly not something that Fleming's Bond would ever thought to have have done. In contrast, the literary Bond respected women. He didn't just focus on them as sex objects and little else. The film Bond of this period obviously saw things differently. -{
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  • OrnithologistOrnithologist BerlinPosts: 583MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Bond slapping a woman around for info, wouldn't be allowed today. Neither would Bond ripping off a woman's clothes to distract a guard.
    All the more reason to cherish the older films!

    Yes.
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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,239MI6 Agent
    That cleavage scene in OP is horrible but also bad and in the very same scene is when Bond casually hands his torn jacket to a female underling to get her to fix it with a needle and thread. Like, that's her main role about the place.
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  • MarcAngeDracoMarcAngeDraco Piz GloriaPosts: 564MI6 Agent
    when Bond casually hands his torn jacket to a female underling to get her to fix it with a needle and thread. Like, that's her main role about the place.

    Well she's not Q, so I can see why Bond would do that... :s
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  • delon64delon64 RiyadhPosts: 176MI6 Agent
    keep you in curry for a few weeks...has not aged well
  • Lady IceLady Ice Posts: 279MI6 Agent
    A recent-ish example but DAD with Colonel Sun Moon getting plastic surgery to turn into the Caucasian Gustav Graves. No excuse for that in 21st century.

    Also I don't think they would go back to the full-on innuendo of Brosnan era.
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