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Re: No 007 you can't have an H&K UMP9 on this mission!...EU April 2016

An update...kind of!  ajb007/frown

Having recently spoken with an ex-Bond armourer it would appear that in the UK at least deactivated machine guns are not being banned/confiscated however OTT deactivation measures are being enforced. As previously triggers, cocking levers, selector switches are being permanently welded/bonded in place (depending if the weapon is steel or a composite material). The magazine will be removable but it's height will be reduced so when it is locked in place the top will not line up where the breach/barrel used to be which is now basically a large cut up blob of weld so getting a spare untouched magazine is not going to help much!

Pistols are also getting mullered. The slides are being locked/welded/pinned? in place. It will still move but you will not be able to lift it off the frame. The magazines are being modified similar to those in machine guns where an internal obstruction will not allow breach access but you will at least be able to remove them. It is believed that it may be possible to pull back the hammer and pull the trigger unless you have one of the new polymer framed trigger less guns which will probably end up being glorified paperweights? as they have internal strikers in place of hammers (such as Bond's P99 and Heckler and Koch VP9). I am shortly to take delivery of an EU deactivated pistol so will report further on just how badly mullered the nickel plated finish etc is? One thing which is clear at this stage is it will be impossible to field strip them.

As previously mentioned it would appear that if you own deactivated weapons which are rackable (you can pull the slide back nearly as often as DC in SPECTRE) they are safe until you decide to sell them then they become gloriously under-priced paperweights after deactivation...again!

It is hoped that the Home Office may reconsider these Draconian measures near the end of the year but I wouldn't hold your breath on this one. Additionally if the House of Lords overturn BREXIT? we will get hit with the full EU "WE HATE GUNS" measures  ajb007/crap

Last edited by ppw3o6r (13th Aug 2016 08:30)

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Sir Miles wrote:

^ Classic EU & Government nonsense  ajb007/insane

I am no expert but it seems to me that EU gun laws are very different than the ones in the UK  ajb007/rolleyes

Just an example would be that we are not forced to paint collectibles into bananas  ajb007/biggrin

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But what if you have a collection of Bananas ?  ajb007/biggrin

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Would that be a bunch?

It was either that.....or the priesthood

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Don't blind me with all these fancy collecting terms Chris  ajb007/biggrin

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ajb007/lol

It was either that.....or the priesthood

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Higgins wrote:

I am no expert...

At last...something we agree on  ajb007/shifty  ajb007/lol

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ppw3o6r wrote:

I am shortly to take delivery of an EU deactivated pistol so will report further on just how badly mullered the nickel plated finish etc is?

The new EU deactivation measures were not quite what Donk expected  ajb007/biggrin

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Any truth to the rumour that the EU are going to deactivate Higgy Babe ??? or at least plug him and shorten his magazine ???

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Gadget Meister wrote:

Any truth to the rumour that the EU are going to deactivate Higgy Babe ??? or at least plug him and shorten his magazine ???

ajb007/lol

A nice start would be to weld all his bloody trainers together  ajb007/shifty

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Re: No 007 you can't have an H&K UMP9 on this mission!...EU April 2016

The new UK Deactivation specification is now finalised. Information courtesy of Worldwidearms.com :

Bolt Action Rifles

Bolt face chamfered at 45 degrees, firing pin shortened, firing pin hole welded up, bolt lugs chamfered at 45 degrees. Barrels have 6 holes drilled on underside of barrel close to the chamber. Hardened steel rod welded in covering two thirds of barrel. Chamber slotted on underside. Hardened steel peg welded across chamber. Rifles with detachable magazines have a hardened steel pin welded across magazine well to prevent the insertion of a standard magazine. Magazine top modified so that it can be inserted and removed. Integral magazines remain unaffected.  All work is carried out internally or under cover so the appearance is virtually as original. The rifles can be cocked and dry fired.

This system is virtually the same as the old UK system except it now has the fully legal EU/UK Deactivation Certificate from the Birmingham/London Proof House.



Semi-Automatic Pistols

Bolt face chamfered at 45 degrees, firing pin shortened, and firing pin hole welded up.

Barrels have 3 holes drilled in barrel close to the chamber. Chamber slotted, hardened steel rod welded in place covering two thirds of the barrel. Any Feed ramp machined away.

The Frame has two thirds of slide rails removed, top slide locking lugs removed, top slide captivated to frame.

Hardened steel pin welded across magazine well to prevent the insertion of a standard magazine. Magazine top modified so that it can be inserted and removed.  All work is carried out internally or under cover so the appearance is virtually as original.

The Pistols have moving parts and can be cocked & dry fired. They now have the fully legal EU/UK Deactivation Certificate from the Birmingham/London Proof House.

Revolvers

Barrels have a short V slot and are pinned to the frame, chamber slotted.  Hardened steel rod welded in place covering two thirds of the barrel. Firing pin shortened, firing pin hole welded up. Cylinder walls removed internally and filled with a steel ring, cylinder captivated to frame. Revolvers have moving parts and can be cocked & dry fired. They now have the fully legal EU/UK Deactivation Certificate from the Birmingham/London Proof House.



Sub-Machine Guns

Bolt reduced by 50% and welded into the receiver. Barrels drilled with 6 holes and chamber slotted.  Hardened steel rod welded in covering two thirds of barrel. Barrel welded to frame. Frame with some internal welding. Hardened steel pin welded across magazine well to prevent the insertion of a standard magazine. Magazine top modified so that it can be inserted and removed. Where applicable cocking levers remain movable.

The deactivation is quite similar to the previous UK spec except more parts are allowed to move.

They now have the fully legal EU/UK Deactivation Certificate from the Birmingham/London Proof House.



Assault Rifles

Bolt removed and bolt carrier reduced by 50% and welded to receiver. Barrels drilled with 6 holes and chamber slotted.  Hardened steel rod welded in covering two thirds of barrel.  Barrel pinned and welded to frame. Gas system disabled by cutting and welding.  Receiver with some internal welding.

Hardened steel pin welded across magazine well to prevent the insertion of a standard magazine. Magazine top modified so that it can be inserted and removed.

The deactivation is quite similar to the previous UK spec except more parts are allowed to move.

They now have the fully legal EU/UK Deactivation Certificate from the Birmingham/London Proof House.



Semi-Automatic Rifles

Bolt reduced by 50% and welded to bolt carrier which is welded to the receiver. Barrels drilled with 6 holes and chamber slotted.  Hardened steel rod welded in covering two thirds of barrel.  Barrel pinned and welded to frame.  Gas system disabled by cutting and welding. Some internal components welded. Where possible cocking levers remain movable.  Rifles with detachable magazine have a hardened steel pin welded across magazine well to prevent the insertion of a standard magazine. Magazine top modified so that it can be inserted and removed. Integral magazines remain unaffected.

The deactivation is quite similar to the previous UK spec

They now have the fully legal EU/UK Deactivation Certificate from the Birmingham/London Proof House.



Any deactivated gun which has a muzzle attachment requires that attachment to be permanently fixed....BUGGER!  ajb007/frown

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That would definitely suck as a firearms collector like myself to live in the UK.