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Topic: SPECTRE and digital colour correction

I just finally saw Spectre. Not impressed (despite the great opening scene). Apart from the derivative ridiculous Dr. Evilish plot and plot holes (did the kidnappers pack Madeline's suitcase so she could wear that dress on the train?)  I found the overuse of digital colour correction extremely jarring to the point where it constantly took me out of the film. Was anyone else bothered by this?

For example, Rome (a beautiful city which I've seen) and Tangier look like they were filmed through a jar of urine. I get the director was trying to emphasize the age of the cities but this overuse constantly broke the fourth wall for me. (The yellow tones in these scenes also aged Craig and were very unflattering to his face.)

I know films have been doing this for a while but in a movie like the Matrix, it was much more subtle and therefore much more effective. In Spectre, it was as subtle as a flying mallet and damaged the film in IMHO...

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Silverchain wrote:

Rome (a beautiful city which I've seen) and Tangier look like they were filmed through a jar of urine.

Brilliant  ajb007/biggrin

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People always seem to be go back and fourth about colour correction but at the end of the day it's a matter of personal opinion. What looks washed out to one person is realistic to another.

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I agree. I'm not a fan of the colours changed so much that it no longer looks realistic. I've colour-corrected most of the screenshots from Spectre that I use on my blog to better show the real colours of the clothes. The vivid colours of Casino Royale were one of the few good things about that film. I feel like some consider that approach outdated. Nothing is as bad as the colours in Man of Steel. Along with Hans Zimmer's monotone music, the faded colours just take all of the excitement out of that film.

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Silverchain wrote:

Rome (a beautiful city which I've seen) and Tangier look like they were filmed through a jar of urine.

That's the perfect way to describe it ajb007/lol. But yeah it annoyed me as well and I feel it made a lot of the locations look less impressive then they normally would look on screen, especially Austria. The same DP was used from Interstellar and that film had the same problem, though nowhere near as extreme because the majority of it was in space. And since that DP also did Christopher's Nolan's Dunkirk you'll notice the same washed out yellow tint in the trailer.

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"Digital color correction" isn't the problem. Literally every movie you see undergoes digital color-correction. I suspect the problem wasn't the cinematographer either, who's done quite lovely work elsewhere. My suspicion is that Mendes understandably wanted the film to look very different from Skyfall (what director would want to be restricted to the same palette over and over?), but in his boredom he went too far.

There's an interesting article about the color grading of the film here:

http://www.thebondbulletin.com/true-col … ng-spectre

That book of photos taken on the set of SPECTRE really shows how much was lost in that wash of piss the film got.


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HalfMonk HalfHitman wrote:

"Digital color correction" isn't the problem. Literally every movie you see undergoes digital color-correction. I suspect the problem wasn't the cinematographer either, who's done quite lovely work elsewhere. My suspicion is that Mendes understandably wanted the film to look very different from Skyfall (what director would want to be restricted to the same palette over and over?), but in his boredom he went too far.

There's an interesting article about the color grading of the film here:

http://www.thebondbulletin.com/true-col … ng-spectre

That book of photos taken on the set of SPECTRE really shows how much was lost in that wash of piss the film got.


https://s29.postimg.org/91e17ia3r/Cy1us_TTUo_AEDgo_N.jpg

Its seriously like night and day in how much better the film looks without the urine tint, especially the Austria scenes.

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I'd love to watch the film without the color filters. Everything would look so much better.

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Miles Messervy wrote:

I'd love to watch the film without the color filters. Everything would look so much better.

same here, would probably like the film more honestly.

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walther p99 wrote:
Miles Messervy wrote:

I'd love to watch the film without the color filters. Everything would look so much better.

same here, would probably like the film more honestly.

Probably the same for me. The colour just ruins the cinematography.

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Matt S wrote:
walther p99 wrote:
Miles Messervy wrote:

I'd love to watch the film without the color filters. Everything would look so much better.

same here, would probably like the film more honestly.

Probably the same for me. The colour just ruins the cinematography.

It's especially prevalent in the Austria scenes. Those sweeping aerial shots would be so much better without the tint.

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Miles Messervy wrote:
Matt S wrote:
walther p99 wrote:

same here, would probably like the film more honestly.

Probably the same for me. The colour just ruins the cinematography.

It's especially prevalent in the Austria scenes. Those sweeping aerial shots would be so much better without the tint.

Definitely. The urine tint makes some sense in Morocco where its a visual representation of the heat. Mexico City has a pleasant temperature at the time of year of Day of the Day, but it's not hot so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It really makes no sense in Austria, when it makes you think that the snow should be melted.

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Respectively disagree on this one fellas. I think Spectre looks wonderful. Fantastic cinematography, and the colour palette of the film I think is quite stunning. The Rome segment of the film has a dusky, golden look that is not worlds away from the Rome depicted in The Great Beauty, which I suspect was an inspiration. For me, both Mendes Bond films are the two best looking in the series.

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Not a fan of colour washes, but it mostly works in SP IMO. Two movies where it irritates the crap outta me are Minority Report & The Matrix... ajb007/mad

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Matt S wrote:
Miles Messervy wrote:
Matt S wrote:

Probably the same for me. The colour just ruins the cinematography.

It's especially prevalent in the Austria scenes. Those sweeping aerial shots would be so much better without the tint.

Definitely. The urine tint makes some sense in Morocco where its a visual representation of the heat. Mexico City has a pleasant temperature at the time of year of Day of the Day, but it's not hot so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It really makes no sense in Austria, when it makes you think that the snow should be melted.


Had my annual seasonal viewing of OHMSS recently. The Alpine scenes in SP would have looked spectacular with similar treatment.

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zaphod99 wrote:
Matt S wrote:
Miles Messervy wrote:

It's especially prevalent in the Austria scenes. Those sweeping aerial shots would be so much better without the tint.

Definitely. The urine tint makes some sense in Morocco where its a visual representation of the heat. Mexico City has a pleasant temperature at the time of year of Day of the Day, but it's not hot so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It really makes no sense in Austria, when it makes you think that the snow should be melted.


Had my annual seasonal viewing of OHMSS recently. The Alpine scenes in SP would have looked spectacular with similar treatment.

It would certainly have been an improvement, but I think OHMSS looks a bit too blue, particularly outside of the snow scenes.

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Especially in the beginning of OHMSS, but these filters were chosen to emulate celluloid 'night-vision' during daytime filming. Make it blue and everybody thinks its nighttime.