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Revs1972 wrote:

Well then there's the whole third act and of course destroying an actual historic real building in London.

But the building was set for demolition after the damage it sustained in Skyfall. It just came forward on the schedule a bit.

Though the damage was significant, I find it hard to believe that it warranted demolishing the entire building as the majority of the building was unaffected. In Spectre the damage was shown to be far more significant than it was in Skyfall, but the events of Skyfall did not warrant the demolition of the building. Maybe it's possible that the SIS requested that the Bond series no longer use their building in their films (perhaps so tourists like me don't snoop around to check out the building), but that's unlikely.

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Interesting how in sf m doesn't refer to the building as destroyed at all,  when she's talking to Silva she simply alludes to the memorial wall in building he attacked.  She even says she is having his name struck off that wall. As Matt S says the damage sustained in sf was not that bad,  in fact no worse really than in twine.

It was either that.....or the priesthood

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I think I said this here before but I think the first 10-15 minutes of SP are damn near perfect. An excellent PTS, followed by a mediocre song and credits, but all the "back to basics" scenes in London are wonderful. Its only once Bond actually gets to Rome that the adventure starts to fall apart and gets increasingly boring.

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walther p99 wrote:

I think I said this here before but I think the first 10-15 minutes of SP are damn near perfect. An excellent PTS, followed by a mediocre song and credits, but all the "back to basics" scenes in London are wonderful. Its only once Bond actually gets to Rome that the adventure starts to fall apart and gets increasingly boring.

I think the film is excellent right up until the conclusion of the train fight. I dislike everything about it after that point.

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SP has not changed at all for me the film sets itself up to be exactly what it is escapism! I don't take SP too seriously and do enjoy it... Though the final act is lacking.

'...exceptionally fine shot...'

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Miles Messervy wrote:
walther p99 wrote:

I think I said this here before but I think the first 10-15 minutes of SP are damn near perfect. An excellent PTS, followed by a mediocre song and credits, but all the "back to basics" scenes in London are wonderful. Its only once Bond actually gets to Rome that the adventure starts to fall apart and gets increasingly boring.

I think the film is excellent right up until the conclusion of the train fight. I dislike everything about it after that point.

Agreed, though I wouldn't rate it as excellent until then, rather "enjoyable".

Just when the film should be going from strength to strength with the introduction of  Blofeld, the writers seemed to run out of ideas: a pointless "personal" connection between Bond and Blofeld, a poorly written torture scene, inferior to Casino Royale's; a terribly written climax in the Mi6 building in London where Bond is more like "the man from Milk Tray" and as for the shooting of the helicopter out of the sky... ajb007/crap

I remember the speculation about Blofeld returning over the years and the suggestion that he not be bald because of the Austin Powers connotations and then the writers effectively make Bond and Blofeld half brothers! Are they secretly taking the p!££ or what?!?!

It beggars belief that the writers couldn't make something more of this film given the promising start...but they blew it in my opinion.

Japanese proverb say, "Bird never make nest in bare tree".

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I just wish it was better, seems to lack the script and seems lazy, the set prices are great but.. And Craig looks bored, like he's almost about to wink at the camera

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I saw it again recently as well, and the whole movie just seems filler-y, like nothing inside of it really matters. It almost seems rather small scope, this is in great contrast to Skyfall, of course. It just feels pointless.

The one thing that has grown on me is the Nine Eyes subplot, but the movie is a bit too busy to devote enough time to it.

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Oakvale wrote:

I saw it again recently as well, and the whole movie just seems filler-y, like nothing inside of it really matters. It almost seems rather small scope, this is in great contrast to Skyfall, of course. It just feels pointless.

The one thing that has grown on me is the Nine Eyes subplot, but the movie is a bit too busy to devote enough time to it.

I like the subplot too, but it's too separated from the main plot, especially since Bond isn't even involved with it at all. It only contributes to the film being unfocused and messy. It would have been good if it was more connected to what Bond was doing. By contrast, TMWTGG connects the plot of Bond hunting down Scaramanga along with the Solex subplot very well.

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Matt S wrote:
Oakvale wrote:

I saw it again recently as well, and the whole movie just seems filler-y, like nothing inside of it really matters. It almost seems rather small scope, this is in great contrast to Skyfall, of course. It just feels pointless.

The one thing that has grown on me is the Nine Eyes subplot, but the movie is a bit too busy to devote enough time to it.

I like the subplot too, but it's too separated from the main plot, especially since Bond isn't even involved with it at all. It only contributes to the film being unfocused and messy. It would have been good if it was more connected to what Bond was doing. By contrast, TMWTGG connects the plot of Bond hunting down Scaramanga along with the Solex subplot very well.

I'm with you guys...there was no need for the Bond-Blofeld 'family' link at all, there was enough 'going on' for that not to be needed...in fact it kinda spoils the movie for me  ajb007/crap

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Sir Miles wrote:
Matt S wrote:
Oakvale wrote:

I saw it again recently as well, and the whole movie just seems filler-y, like nothing inside of it really matters. It almost seems rather small scope, this is in great contrast to Skyfall, of course. It just feels pointless.

The one thing that has grown on me is the Nine Eyes subplot, but the movie is a bit too busy to devote enough time to it.

I like the subplot too, but it's too separated from the main plot, especially since Bond isn't even involved with it at all. It only contributes to the film being unfocused and messy. It would have been good if it was more connected to what Bond was doing. By contrast, TMWTGG connects the plot of Bond hunting down Scaramanga along with the Solex subplot very well.

I'm with you guys...there was no need for the Bond-Blofeld 'family' link at all, there was enough 'going on' for that not to be needed...in fact it kinda spoils the movie for me  ajb007/crap

The family link has to be the worst thing about the movie. I think poor ideas are worse than poor execution. When the writers try too hard and try to throw too much into one movie, it's harder to pull off and there's more that can go wrong. Dr. No is one of the simplest Bond films, and that's one reason why it will always be so great. It may not be the most spectacular Bond film, but it holds together very well.

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All the Bond films adapted from the Fleming novels are awesome:

Dr No, From Russia With Love, Goldfinger, Thunderball, On Her Majesties Secret Service, Casino Royale.

We only start to hit hurdles when writers not of the ability of Fleming get involved.  Purvis and Wade spring to mind. 

I'd love John Le Carre to pen a James Bond novel.

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UnderwaterBattle007 wrote:

I'd love John Le Carre to pen a James Bond novel.

I'm afraid you'll have to wait a long, long time for that.  For 50 years now Le Carre has been expressing his disdain for Bond; and he's said that Bond's weaknesses for women, gourmet foods and drink, and the luxuries in life would make him the perfect traitor.  His novels are, if anything, anti-Bond.

Vox clamantis in deserto

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I did not like spetre as much as the other films of Daniel Craig. I have saw it only one time but not to watch it again soon as i thougt it was not good with the Blofeld brother of Bond story.