Yes definitely agree with those. AVTAK had this one scene which disturbed me, unlike the rest. Where Zorin chucks the KGB agent into the propeller at the bay. Despite that, all three of those so called 'violent' bond films are in my top ten.
How are we defining violence? Cr06 has a lot, from the pts bathroom fight, embassy, Miami, stairwell, torture, Venice there is a lot of gritty fighting. Qos also has its fair share obviously licence to kill and for me frwl.
I would definitely say that Casino Royale is the most dark and brutal Bond film with none of the frequent one liners or gadgets we usually witness to lift much of the realism. Licence to Kill has some shockingly violent scenes in it but feels more like a Bond flick that we can be more comfortable with because of John Glens familiar directing!
GoldenEye and TND are also pretty brutal films with the highest death tolls... that's got to account for something.
I would definitely say that Casino Royale is the most dark and brutal Bond film with none of the frequent one liners or gadgets we usually witness to lift much of the realism. Licence to Kill has some shockingly violent scenes in it but feels more like a Bond flick that we can be more comfortable with because of John Glens familiar directing!
GoldenEye and TND are also pretty brutal films with the highest death tolls... that's got to account for something.
Yes this is my thought, if it's based solely on amount of deaths seen then brozzer has that record, but I think the style of violence and it's portrayal is more relevant, for example colonel medrano attacking and attempting to rape the waitress in qos and fighting with camille is more violent and disturbing than brozzer machine gunning countless henchmen.
Depends on how you define violence. If it's body count, then A View to a Kill has a sequence that is one of the most violent in the series' history, which is also visceral in that Zorin and Scarpine enjoy the carnage.
If it's about conception -- the nature of the violence and how its shown -- then I would put Diamonds are Forever in the running. The PTS sequence alone shows Bond beating on several people, strangling a woman with her bikini top, killing henchmen with scalpels (after one essentially loses his fingers to a booby trap), and drowning two Blofelds, one of whom also gets boiled on top of it. As the film progresses, Bond dispatches Peter Franks violently and kills another Blofeld with an exploding piton to the brain, Wynt and Kidd kill several people brutally, including a little old lady, Shady Tree is murdered, Burt Saxby is machinegunned, scores are killed in bomb blasts and the like, commandos and SPECTRE agents are killed in the raid on the oil derrick, and finally Kidd is incinerated and Wint blown to bits.
A movie came out in 1968 titled Warkill, with George Montgomery. Brutal by any standards. Apparently very hard to find copies of it these days...
From IMDB: Towards the end of the war in the Phillipines, newsman Tom Drake tracks down guerrilla leader George Montgomery, whom he has made into a hero in the United States with his news stories. He finds a brutal, vicious killer who has sunk far lower than necessary and definitely not anyone to admire . However, Montgomery apparently starts to realize that he has gone too far, and that even in war there are limits Towards the end, Montgomery and his men find a mission filed with wounded Jpaanese soldiers who have surrendered. A Japanese officer has gathered a force 500 men, remnants of the defeated Japanese army, and they plan to wipe out the soldiers who have dared to surrender. Montgomery and his men face a dilemma Do they take on far superior odds to protect men they have come to hate?. This is a very grim realistic war film.The final battle alone is worth seeing this film for- its on a fairly large scale, violent and a little nail biting. This is a large production for a Philipino produced film, and while it doesn't have the polish of a U.s. production, this actually adds to the film's gritty realistic feel. The film also benefits from superior performances from Montgomery and Drake. Go out of your way to find this film.
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Anyone any ideas which is the most violent bond film? The Living Daylights seems one of them with a large body count
I always found Living Daylights to be deceptive with the level of violence. A lot of firing guns in the air seems to create the feeling that it's more violent than it is.
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The German version of LTK includes the deleted scene where a crying Bond says, "I so sorry Mama, I can't stop killing!!!" )
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
The German version of LTK includes the deleted scene where a crying Bond says, "I so sorry Mama, I can't stop killing!!!" )
Can we find that somewhere on the internet? I'd love to see that, can't imagine Bond saying that.
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Thunderball, breaking neck with a poker, roasting in a steam bath, cutting the oxygen hose and watching the explicit drowning, thrown to sharks, impaled to a tree with a harpoon gun, ramming a harpoon through a divers mask .
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The German version of LTK includes the deleted scene where a crying Bond says, "I so sorry Mama, I can't stop killing!!!" )
Can we find that somewhere on the internet? I'd love to see that, can't imagine Bond saying that.
Apologies, I was just kidding as Higgins is one of our members from Germany who doesn't appreciate Timothy Dalton's inspired interpretation of Bond!
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
Oh yes, how can I forget your world record for the largest collection of autographed Dalton pictures, that all say, "to my greatest fan... " )
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
SPECTRE does not deserve it's violent reputation if you count an assisted suicide and Vlad the impaler there's not much that's too overt. LTK, FYEO, CR and AVTAK take the cake for me.
LTK isn't the most violent in terms of number of deaths, but it has a brutal tone. This is the same tone as in the books and has more impacted than the slick mass killings of some of Brosnan's Bond.
I agree, and even on the point some make that it seems like an American thriller. That term of
Writing a thriller in an American style was used for Fleming. So could LTK in fact be more in
Fleming's style than any other Bond film ?
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LTK isn't the most violent in terms of number of deaths, but it has a brutal tone. This is the same tone as in the books and has more impacted than the slick mass killings of some of Brosnan's Bond.
Yeah I saw TLD and LTK back to back recently I was surprised at how brutal LTK was! :0
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Yes definitely agree with those. AVTAK had this one scene which disturbed me, unlike the rest. Where Zorin chucks the KGB agent into the propeller at the bay. Despite that, all three of those so called 'violent' bond films are in my top ten.
1. Dalton 2. Moore 3. Connery 4. Craig 5. Lazenby 6. Brosnan
2. Casino Royale
3. A View To A Kill
4. Tomorrow Never Dies
5. Spectre
GoldenEye and TND are also pretty brutal films with the highest death tolls... that's got to account for something.
If it's about conception -- the nature of the violence and how its shown -- then I would put Diamonds are Forever in the running. The PTS sequence alone shows Bond beating on several people, strangling a woman with her bikini top, killing henchmen with scalpels (after one essentially loses his fingers to a booby trap), and drowning two Blofelds, one of whom also gets boiled on top of it. As the film progresses, Bond dispatches Peter Franks violently and kills another Blofeld with an exploding piton to the brain, Wynt and Kidd kill several people brutally, including a little old lady, Shady Tree is murdered, Burt Saxby is machinegunned, scores are killed in bomb blasts and the like, commandos and SPECTRE agents are killed in the raid on the oil derrick, and finally Kidd is incinerated and Wint blown to bits.
Dalton's tears are simply horrifying!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
From IMDB: Towards the end of the war in the Phillipines, newsman Tom Drake tracks down guerrilla leader George Montgomery, whom he has made into a hero in the United States with his news stories. He finds a brutal, vicious killer who has sunk far lower than necessary and definitely not anyone to admire . However, Montgomery apparently starts to realize that he has gone too far, and that even in war there are limits Towards the end, Montgomery and his men find a mission filed with wounded Jpaanese soldiers who have surrendered. A Japanese officer has gathered a force 500 men, remnants of the defeated Japanese army, and they plan to wipe out the soldiers who have dared to surrender. Montgomery and his men face a dilemma Do they take on far superior odds to protect men they have come to hate?. This is a very grim realistic war film.The final battle alone is worth seeing this film for- its on a fairly large scale, violent and a little nail biting. This is a large production for a Philipino produced film, and while it doesn't have the polish of a U.s. production, this actually adds to the film's gritty realistic feel. The film also benefits from superior performances from Montgomery and Drake. Go out of your way to find this film.
'Just because nobody complains doesn't mean all parachutes are perfect.'- Benny Hill (1924-1992)
I always found Living Daylights to be deceptive with the level of violence. A lot of firing guns in the air seems to create the feeling that it's more violent than it is.
The German version of LTK includes the deleted scene where a crying Bond says, "I so sorry Mama, I can't stop killing!!!"
Can we find that somewhere on the internet? I'd love to see that, can't imagine Bond saying that.
Apologies, I was just kidding as Higgins is one of our members from Germany who doesn't appreciate Timothy Dalton's inspired interpretation of Bond!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Oh yes, how can I forget your world record for the largest collection of autographed Dalton pictures, that all say, "to my greatest fan... "
Writing a thriller in an American style was used for Fleming. So could LTK in fact be more in
Fleming's style than any other Bond film ?
Yeah I saw TLD and LTK back to back recently I was surprised at how brutal LTK was! :0