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Topic: Varda Bridge Fall

I found out that the height of the Varda railway viaduct is 322 feet.  Does anyone have a problem with Bond falling from the top of it (and add another dozen feet since he is on top of the train) and surviving this fall into the river?  This is as barmy to me as Berry diving off the top of the cliff in DAD from what the camera's viewpoint looked to be about the same ridiculous height.  Why do the filmmakers put in this Road Runner/Coyote garbage?  Am I to understand they went to the viaduct and looked down and actually believed this was a plausible plot point?  They go to such great pains and expense to make the films look real, then they ruin them by injecting cartoon physics.  Why? I know that the scenery is visually impressive, but couldn't they have had Bond get shot but fall over onto the roof of the car and knock the villain off the train, then show it pass through another tunnel and as it exits show no sign of Bond?  At least it would be left up to my imagination as to what happens to him, instead of the cartoon fall we see in the trailer.
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Quite a long fall, no doubt.  I'll see how it plays out before I render an opinion, though.  In the grand scope of Bond's half-century of unlikely survival, however, it's merely another entry   ajb007/martini

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Hmm but Daniel Craigs Bond is too serious remember  ajb007/biggrin

This is perfectly fine in my "Bond Viewing", we have had much much worse, sky diving off cliffs into planes etc  In fact compared to past exploits I would consider this believable lol

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welshboy78 wrote:

Hmm but Daniel Craigs Bond is too serious remember  ajb007/biggrin

This is perfectly fine in my "Bond Viewing", we have had much much worse, sky diving off cliffs into planes etc  In fact compared to past exploits I would consider this believable lol

Yea, even in the world of post reboot, Quantum gave us Bond jumping out of that DC10 sans parachute!

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If you did want to fake your Death, would you choose to be shot from a moving train,
Then falling hundreds of feet. With No Witnesses, So much could go wrong that you
might end up Dead for Real.   ajb007/lol

"Let his death be a particularly unpleasant and humiliating one."

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Because its not jut visually impressive but for dramatic purposes as well, his literal sky fall.

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If you want stark realism stick to "Tinker, Tailer, Soldier, Spy" (which I happen to like also). If you want to see something fantastical, watch a Bond film. Craig's Bond may be "grittier" and have half a foot in reality but he is still climbing up scaffolding and cranes like a circus performer, running through walls, and his most unbelievable stunt of all, having sex a couple of weeks after having his privates beaten to a pulp. As far as I am concerned, James Bond can fall 322 feet from a moving train into a river and survive. Hell, James Bond can fall 322 feet into a bucket of water and survive. Roger Moore could fall 322 feet into a bucket of water and only need to straighten his tie. Today's grittier, more realistic Bond, Daniel Craig, would emerge from the bucket rumpled and bloodied but then use the bucket to beat the hell out of a bad guy. The name is Bond, James Bond.

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HowardB wrote:

If you want stark realism stick to "Tinker, Tailer, Soldier, Spy" (which I happen to like also). If you want to see something fantastical, watch a Bond film. Craig's Bond may be "grittier" and have half a foot in reality but he is still climbing up scaffolding and cranes like a circus performer, running through walls, and his most unbelievable stunt of all, having sex a couple of weeks after having his privates beaten to a pulp. As far as I am concerned, James Bond can fall 322 feet from a moving train into a river and survive. Hell, James Bond can fall 322 feet into a bucket of water and survive. Roger Moore could fall 322 feet into a bucket of water and only need to straighten his tie. Today's grittier, more realistic Bond, Daniel Craig, would emerge from the bucket rumpled and bloodied but then use the bucket to beat the hell out of a bad guy. The name is Bond, James Bond.

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Improbable but not impossible. I am sure people such as parachutist's have survived falls from much greater heights. It appears Bond is unconscious in the water so someone must save him, but surely not Eve because she is too far away. Looking forward to seeing how it plays out.

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Moore Than wrote:

Improbable but not impossible.

I think this has been the mantra for bond films right from the word go has it not?

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Unlikely but not impossible.

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Still think there's easier ways to Fake your Death.  ajb007/bond

"Let his death be a particularly unpleasant and humiliating one."

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Thunderpussy wrote:

Still think there's easier ways to Fake your Death.  ajb007/bond

I don't think he faked his death.  Eve shot him by mistake and since everyone thought he was dead he decided to stay dead, at least for awhile.

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Gala Brand wrote:
Thunderpussy wrote:

Still think there's easier ways to Fake your Death.  ajb007/bond

I don't think he faked his death.  Eve shot him by mistake and since everyone thought he was dead he decided to stay dead, at least for awhile.

Precisely what i was going to say, he uses it as an opportunity to be dead

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I like semi-real films to at least be plausible. If I have to suspend my incredulity too much, I tend to lose interest. While recent Bonds and other films like Bourne or M.I. certainly have me turning a blind eye to reality, none do so to such an extent that my entertainment suffers. I have no issue with the bridge fall anymore than so many other things in many films.

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And add to the ludicrousness that he manages to shag every bird he wants to, that they all fancy him whether he be rugged and Celtic, a plastic dressed-up Aussie, an ageing leathery comedian, a dour, brooding Byronic hero, an 80s soap opera identifit, or a knackered, rough-looking, dwarf.

Plausibility? Not round here, please!

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Eve shot him by Mistake, OK I'll go with that. Although
If her aim is that Bad I wouldn't trust her with a Razor.  ajb007/lol

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Thunderpussy wrote:

Eve shot him by Mistake, OK I'll go with that. Although
If her aim is that Bad I wouldn't trust her with a Razor.  ajb007/lol

Hahaha - wonder if he sleeps with her or its one of those will he / won't he things which drags on like Mulder and Scully lol. I presume she will be signed up for the next one and become his sidekick

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I think that's the least she could, after shooting him.  ajb007/biggrin
and as you say, Mabey she wont sleep with him and they
become colleagues, with Her becoming the PA of the New
M.  ajb007/wink   Many have speculated, a certain Miss M...............   ajb007/lol

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David Schofield wrote:

And add to the ludicrousness that he manages to shag every bird he wants to, that they all fancy him whether he be rugged and Celtic, a plastic dressed-up Aussie, an ageing leathery comedian, a dour, brooding Byronic hero, an 80s soap opera identifit, or a knackered, rough-looking, dwarf.

Plausibility? Not round here, please!


Implausible?

How about a mid-level civil servant who wears Tom Ford clothes and an Omega watch and drives around in a classic Aston Martin DB-5?

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CmdrAtticus wrote:

I found out that the height of the Varda railway viaduct is 322 feet.  Does anyone have a problem with Bond falling from the top of it (and add another dozen feet since he is on top of the train) and surviving this fall into the river?  This is as barmy to me as Berry diving off the top of the cliff in DAD from what the camera's viewpoint looked to be about the same ridiculous height.  Why do the filmmakers put in this Road Runner/Coyote garbage?  Am I to understand they went to the viaduct and looked down and actually believed this was a plausible plot point?  They go to such great pains and expense to make the films look real, then they ruin them by injecting cartoon physics.  Why? I know that the scenery is visually impressive, but couldn't they have had Bond get shot but fall over onto the roof of the car and knock the villain off the train, then show it pass through another tunnel and as it exits show no sign of Bond?  At least it would be left up to my imagination as to what happens to him, instead of the cartoon fall we see in the trailer.
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You forgot that he fell off a train that looked to be doing about 35 MPH.  That alone would cause serious injury.

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Bond probably wouldn't have survived past Dr. No if there wasn't some element of fantasy  ajb007/lol  Getting too caught up in analysing whether each and every stunt was entirely realistic can take from your enjoyment of the film. Sit back, relax and enjoy the ride guys  ajb007/martini

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Chances are he would be be dead, but it is possible to survive a fall into water from that height if he hit it in just the right way. No doubt he would still break most of his bones and mess up most of his organs, but if someone found him soon after, then they could save him. Jumping from the golden gate bridge, 220 ft, has a ~98% fatality rate, which actually happens a lot and is well documented. No doubt this is a further and deadlier fall, so I'm assuming Eve (and M) can easily assume he's dead, which is why they do in the film.

Like others have said, even though it's highly improbable to survive this, I'm sure there is even less of a chance of Bond surviving everything else he's been through, so in a way this fall is believable in the Bond universe.

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You nailed it, HowardB.  Thanks!

HowardB wrote:

If you want stark realism stick to "Tinker, Tailer, Soldier, Spy" (which I happen to like also). If you want to see something fantastical, watch a Bond film. Craig's Bond may be "grittier" and have half a foot in reality but he is still climbing up scaffolding and cranes like a circus performer, running through walls, and his most unbelievable stunt of all, having sex a couple of weeks after having his privates beaten to a pulp. As far as I am concerned, James Bond can fall 322 feet from a moving train into a river and survive. Hell, James Bond can fall 322 feet into a bucket of water and survive. Roger Moore could fall 322 feet into a bucket of water and only need to straighten his tie. Today's grittier, more realistic Bond, Daniel Craig, would emerge from the bucket rumpled and bloodied but then use the bucket to beat the hell out of a bad guy. The name is Bond, James Bond.

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Gala Brand wrote:
David Schofield wrote:

And add to the ludicrousness that he manages to shag every bird he wants to, that they all fancy him whether he be rugged and Celtic, a plastic dressed-up Aussie, an ageing leathery comedian, a dour, brooding Byronic hero, an 80s soap opera identifit, or a knackered, rough-looking, dwarf.

Plausibility? Not round here, please!


How about a mid-level civil servant who wears Tom Ford clothes and an Omega watch and drives around in a classic Aston Martin DB-5?

Some girls are a little less materialistic?

Well, that's always been my excuse when the fairer sex have rejected me...  ajb007/amazed