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Christmas Tounes wrote:

The CT Analyis

ajb007/smile
Higher degree of characterisation.
Great cinematography.
Titles + Adele.
Silva's intro.
Good humour throughout.
All scenes in China.
Severine's character.
Scotland scenery.
Secrets of Bond's past.
Bond enjoying death.
Best line - Bond: 'Oh good, there's a train coming.'
Plenty of action and adrenaline.
Computer hacking.
Swearing.
Q.
Great use of London and MI6.
Underground scenes.

ajb007/crap
Bond becomes less of an icon to viewers.
I'm less decided about whether or not I see Craig as a good Bond.
M overshadows 007 and this gets confusing.
General lack of substance in the film.
Smoking.
Plot is lame and fades away through the film.
Exitement comes and goes and some parts are rather boring.
Silva is a good villian? Doesn't compare to 006 or Renard etc. Hardly seemed like he was in the film. Too camp.
Bond girls have very short roles.
Lack of establishing scenes throughout.
I agree with some that it still felt too short.
Trailer spoiled key scenes.
Average ending.

But I really enjoyed it. How everyone is describing it as the Best Bond ever is beyond me though. I think there's some dodgy marketing tactics going on. Guaranteed they are paying an office in India to flood the internet with good reviews. And they've invited the right people to the right parties beforehand.

Anyway.. no Purvis and Wade from now on !  ajb007/martini   ajb007/biggrin

7/10

Feel free to respond to any points raised by PM or replying.

Smoking?

Are you for real?

Boy scout movies and novels (which as a woman I STILL have to read today when that close friend drops a new "must read" book in your lap again) are getting on my nerves since I first discovered lipstick and literature.

Can't handle a woman who smokes and exhales it like an ancient seductive Chinese cloud serpent?
You might want to check out Harry Potter.

It's CLEAN!

And safe ajb007/smile

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Q-Branch_2012 wrote:

I don't no whether I never posted this or if it has been posted and deleted, anyway I read a great review of Skyfall this morning (not mine though) I don't get to see it until this week, Maybe Wednesday.

Here is the link to the review below.

http://movie-blogger.com/content/bond-dead-0

Good review. I agree with it  pretty much. Thanks for sharing.  ajb007/martini

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Another man of few words here as well.

Got to say, the film was pretty much what I wanted from a Bond film in every sense.

Brilliant Pre Title Sequence

Fantastic Titles, a return to form in my view.

A proper Bond theme.

An enjoyable well scripted story with great characterisations.

A very creepy and believable Villain even beating my fave of all time "Sanchez"

The return of Q and Moneypenny.

An all round sense of being thoroughly entertained for over 2 hrs.


My only smalll gripes were, the place of the gun barrel sequence, the price of admission and people who thought they had to applaud just before the film started, WTF!!!

My only question is, how on earth will they top this for the next adventure???


Keep safe and happy people, and never let people make you afraid.

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ant007uk wrote:

the price of admission

You owe me a new keyboard, sir.

Tea through the nose was a new experience for sure.

Thank you  ajb007/smile

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Okay. I had my second viewing today and it was as good as the first.

Skyfall Starts off without the iconic gunbarrel, which is disappointing, but we're soon into the thick of the action regardless. I have to say this lauded opening shot by Deakins has been a little overcooked on the hype front. It's nice but not THAT nice. We have skyline shots of Shanghai, Macau and London later in the movie, so why would one of Istanbul have been cliched? I don't get it. Anyway, that's a debate for another thread.

We follow Bond into an apartment where he finds a clearly gravely wounded agent on a chair. This tells us this is a movie that won't pull it's punches, like Craig's previous two. Good.

A great PTS ensues with a terrific sequence on top of a moving train and we're into a beautiful title sequence where both imagery and song work brilliantly together.

The washed up Bond storyline that follows is okay (although we've tackled this a lot lately, so no more please).

After 'passing' his fit for service test, and meeting Q, Bond jets off again and some the film's best moments follow. The Shanghai and Macau scenes are superb and totally capture a modern 007.
A superb nod to Live And Let Die using a Komodo Dragon too.

Then we meet our antagonist. Silva's introduction is one of the best villain intros of the cannon. His long walk into focus, while spouting an analogy about rats, is brilliant. His dialogue with Bond thereafter is very Le Chifre too. Great stuff.

His ruthless dispatching of Severine only adds to the menace.

Then we're back to London for another great act. We see a vulnerable M having to defend MI6 to politicians and she's defended by Mallory. Hmmm. Mallory. Em...

The scenes involving tube stations, tube lines, London streets and public buildings are all breathtaking, fast and never over stretched.

Then it's off to The Highlands for some very un Bond like scenes. It's more Home Alone than 007, but it works. We explore Bond and M's relationship and get Bond's backstory.

The dispatching of villains is due process until the real tear jerking moment arrive... M has been mortally wounded.

This is tempered brilliantly in the last five minutes however, with some real twisticuffs. Eve is Moneypenny and Mallory is the new M. Bond walks into THAT anteroom, has THAT banter with Moneypenny, walks through THAT padded door into THAT office and is handed THAT eyes only document.

We're back where it all began and I can't bloody wait to get there again.

Then the gunbarrel comes on but everyone is up and leaving and the music is totally disassociated and it's all a complete mess. A real downer to be honest. I only pray it's back where it belongs, looking and sounding like it should, for Bond 24.

As an aside, Newman's score was functional but not spectacular. There were some nice Bond cues but that was it really. Mainly forgettable.

Anyways, Skyfall, while not as good as Casino Royal, is certainly up there with the best Bond's.

Bond 24 promises to be something even more classic...

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I'm the Money wrote:
ant007uk wrote:

the price of admission

You owe me a new keyboard, sir.

Tea through the nose was a new experience for sure.

Thank you  ajb007/smile

You've got to agree that £8.50 for a ticket is a tad too steep, it's just not cricket. As for the new keyboard, I'm afraid I've just taken out a mortgage to pay for the snacks from last night too  ajb007/insane

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@ ''I'm The Money''

I'm actually cool enough to smoke myself sometimes.

But Severines character is advertising smoking to girls. This is irresponsible in a film with the magnitude of Skyfall. Smoking sucks. It's very out of place for in a film in 2012.

How many times have I bought Heineken since I knew it was associated with Bond? 5 or 6 times already.
But partly because it's a good beer and it's good to support a company which helps make Bond films.

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Christmas Tounes wrote:

@ ''I'm The Money''

I'm actually cool enough to smoke myself sometimes.

But Severines character is advertising smoking to girls. This is irresponsible in a film with the magnitude of Skyfall. Smoking sucks. It's very out of place for in a film in 2012.

How many times have I bought Heineken since I knew it was associated with Bond? 5 or 6 times already.
But partly because it's a good beer and it's good to support a company which helps make Bond films.

You're on a crusade because you have a daughter and are worried about her.

Fair enough.

But this is a BOND movie.
It's neither made for your daughters nor for theirs, allow me to quote Fleming: My books are written for warm-blooded heterosexual males.

Be one ajb007/wink

The world needs more.

Back to reviews please!
No derailing.

ajb007/wink

P.S: Next Heineken is on me.

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Christmas Tounes wrote:

@ ''I'm The Money''

I'm actually cool enough to smoke myself sometimes.

But Severines character is advertising smoking to girls. This is irresponsible in a film with the magnitude of Skyfall. Smoking sucks. It's very out of place for in a film in 2012.

How many times have I bought Heineken since I knew it was associated with Bond? 5 or 6 times already.
But partly because it's a good beer and it's good to support a company which helps make Bond films.

Smoking is bad, but her being a hooker and all the shooting of people and alcohol consumption by Bond  is fine.  Get a grip, if you are going to have morals, leave them at the foyer entrance or at least gain some perspective  before viewing a Bond film.   It is afterall just a film.  And as such, her shaky reactions while smoking showed exactly how afraid she was.  It was all in context and brilliantly portrayed.  Personally I was disgusted by the way Bond jumped onto the tube train.  Everyone will be doing that now because he showed how cool it could look  ajb007/shifty

And Heineken is a horrible beer.  Don't be so gullible to all this advertising hype.

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Skyfall is becoming my favourite Bond film, Ill be seeing it again next saturday so i'll decide then! They really need to make something special to top it, although i've just read this about future Bond films and will use spoiler tags just in case:

Spoiler

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news … ovies.html

Screenwriter John Logan is revealed to have already begun working on the scripts for Bond 24 AND Bond 25 after pitching a two-film story arc to Babs and Michael during shooting for Skyfall, much in the same vein as CR and QoS. I am apprehensive about this, one one hand look at the mess QoS was, on the other they could shoot them back to back and release within a year of each other leaving only a short gap. Anyway it's a little off topic and im sure will be discussed in the future, just wanted to share.

Anyway, Skyfall 10/10. Cried 3 times during the movie (once out of sadness which I did not expect as before I seen the movie I would of welcomed this scenario), something a Bond movie has NEVER made me do.

EDIT: Dont know why the spoiler tag is showing the link...

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scottmu65 wrote:

Skyfall is becoming my favourite Bond film, Ill be seeing it again next saturday so i'll decide then! They really need to make something special to top it, although i've just read this about future Bond films and will use spoiler tags just in case:

Spoiler

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news … ovies.html

Screenwriter John Logan is revealed to have already begun working on the scripts for Bond 24 AND Bond 25 after pitching a two-film story arc to Babs and Michael during shooting for Skyfall, much in the same vein as CR and QoS. I am apprehensive about this, one one hand look at the mess QoS was, on the other they could shoot them back to back and release within a year of each other leaving only a short gap. Anyway it's a little off topic and im sure will be discussed in the future, just wanted to share.

Anyway, Skyfall 10/10. Cried 3 times during the movie (once out of sadness which I did not expect as before I seen the movie I would of welcomed this scenario), something a Bond movie has NEVER made me do.

EDIT: Dont know why the spoiler tag is showing the link...

Spoiler I am not happy about that. Bond 24 and 25 being a 2-part story arc? What the hell, they already did this with CR and QOS. I thought Skyfall was supposed to bring everything back to the classic bond formula. That doesn't include sequels. And yet next thing we're hearing about is a 2-parter? Oh dear.  ajb007/crap

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Bit naughty. But someone has posted the Skyfall title sequence on a very well known and popular website. It looks the most impressive title sequence of the Craig era, and by some distance. I am sure it will look considerably more impressive when I see it on the big screen for the first time tomorrow.

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scottmu65 wrote:

Skyfall is becoming my favourite Bond film, Ill be seeing it again next saturday so i'll decide then! They really need to make something special to top it, although i've just read this about future Bond films and will use spoiler tags just in case:

Spoiler

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news … ovies.html

Screenwriter John Logan is revealed to have already begun working on the scripts for Bond 24 AND Bond 25 after pitching a two-film story arc to Babs and Michael during shooting for Skyfall, much in the same vein as CR and QoS. I am apprehensive about this, one one hand look at the mess QoS was, on the other they could shoot them back to back and release within a year of each other leaving only a short gap. Anyway it's a little off topic and im sure will be discussed in the future, just wanted to share.

Anyway, Skyfall 10/10. Cried 3 times during the movie (once out of sadness which I did not expect as before I seen the movie I would of welcomed this scenario), something a Bond movie has NEVER made me do.

EDIT: Dont know why the spoiler tag is showing the link...

Oh Lordy - another excuse to play about with the gunbarrel sequence  ajb007/biggrin

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Saw SKYFALL on Saturday. I loved every minute of it. Perhaps after a third or fourth viewing there may be some things that might niggle but first time off I was swept along quite happily.

If it hadn't been for three silly, giggly girls sat to my left it would have been a truly brilliant cinema experience.

No gunbarrel at the start? It didn't bother me & the opening shot was what I'd predicted from the trailer. From then on it rattled long at a fine old pace with good use of narrative gears & a thankful lack of clunky expository dialogue that's blighted a lot of the Bond scripts. Good cast too, faultlessly acted, particularly Craig & Bardem. Lots of pleasingly subtle references to past Bonds & even nods to non-Bonds; from BLADE RUNNER to APOCALYPSE NOW via THE FRENCH CONNECTION. For a real film buff, what's not to like?

Also liked the stripped-bare quality of the last act. Again, more non-Bond references, specifically STRAW DOGS. There's something about Daniel Craig's 007 blasting away with a shotgun that's oddly satisfying. Memories of Dalton's hardman Bond.

And then there's the coda with Ralph Fiennes coming into his own as the new M. Wonderful. If Bond 24 had been up & ready to roll I'd have happily sat glued to my seat for the next instalment.

Something that's been noted by more than one press reviewer is that although we're given virtually every classic Bond element, it's served up in a way as to give the impression it's being seen for the first time. No mean feat after 22 films.

So on to Bonds 24 & 25, courtesy of John Logan. Dare we hope to expect the return of SPECTRE & Blofeld? Who knows, but whatever happens I'll continue to be rivetted to my seat.

I just hope those three girls aren't sat next to me again!

Forgot to give a rating: 006/007

I give a 006 because Severine's connection to everything was a bit unclear (perhaps the giggling to my left caused me to miss dialogue) & Dan does have a tendency to mumble his lines at times.

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BIG TAM wrote:

Saw SKYFALL on Saturday. I loved every minute of it. Perhaps after a third or fourth viewing there may be some things that might niggle but first time off I was swept along quite happily.

If it hadn't been for three silly, giggly girls sat to my left it would have been a truly brilliant cinema experience.

No gunbarrel at the start? It didn't bother me & the opening shot was what I'd predicted from the trailer. From then on it rattled long at a fine old pace with good use of narrative gears & a thankful lack of clunky expository dialogue that's blighted a lot of the Bond scripts. Good cast too, faultlessly acted, particularly Craig & Bardem. Lots of pleasingly subtle references to past Bonds & even nods to non-Bonds; from BLADE RUNNER to APOCALYPSE NOW via THE FRENCH CONNECTION. For a real film buff, what's not to like?

Also liked the stripped-bare quality of the last act. Again, more non-Bond references, specifically STRAW DOGS. There's something about Daniel Craig's 007 blasting away with a shotgun that's oddly satisfying. Memories of Dalton's hardman Bond.

And then there's the coda with Ralph Fiennes coming into his own as the new M. Wonderful. If Bond 24 had been up & ready to roll I'd have happily sat glued to my seat for the next instalment.

Something that's been noted by more than one press reviewer is that although we're given virtually every classic Bond element, it's served up in a way as to give the impression it's being seen for the first time. No mean feat after 22 films.

So on to Bonds 24 & 25, courtesy of John Logan. Dare we hope to expect the return of SPECTRE & Blofeld? Who knows, but whatever happens I'll continue to be rivetted to my seat.

I just hope those three girls aren't sat next to me again!

If it's true that John Logan is on board for Bond 24 and 25, I just hope that contrary to what I'm reading in the press and online we don't get a 2 part story, I simply couldn't stomach that. Anyone else??

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I really hope it's not a two part story. They've done the bond reborn story and link film that sets everything up to where it first started.

I really hope they do a normal mission bond next film.

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I'd of hoped they'd of learned something from the CR/QOS saga.  ajb007/crap
I'd much rather go back to stand alone movies, I don't mind some
connection with them but not a " story arch "

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Seen it twice now, IMAX next. 

Still very impressed, maybe because I've seen OHMSS so many times now, although moved at the end, Tracy's death doesn't have the same impact that M's Death had in Skyfall, I was completely shocked (Stayed away from any spoilers) and a little emotional.  Now having fitted Adele's lyrics to the movie they have much more meaning and could be classed as a spoiler in their own right.  I am firmly of the opinion that it's time for a nod from AMPAS in this special year,  I could think of no finer tribute than a Best Supporting Actress nomination for Dame judi, the icing would be for her to win it.  Bond has been ignored by AMPAS for the last 31 years (Maybe rightly so) but this movie definitely deserves a nomination at least.  Javier Bardem could also get a Best Supporting Actor nomination.  I am enjoying DC as James Bond but I don't think he's quite there yet for Best Actor, maybe in four years time when he retires the role.

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Thunderpussy wrote:

I'd of hoped they'd of learned something from the CR/QOS saga.  ajb007/crap
I'd much rather go back to stand alone movies, I don't mind some
connection with them but not a " story arch "

Agreed. Great as Skyfall is I really want to get back to stand alone stories not connected to the past or personal life of any of the central characters. Now we have a padded leather door, a hat rack, and a male M we can get back to business.

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I liked it when JB winked at Mallory

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Thunderpussy wrote:

I'd of hoped they'd of learned something from the CR/QOS saga.  ajb007/crap

They have....how to make LOADS of money  ajb007/wink   ajb007/lol

Thunderpussy wrote:

I'd much rather go back to stand alone movies, I don't mind some
connection with them but not a " story arch "

I'm more than happy for what Mr Logan has in mind  ajb007/martini

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You're looking forward to Logan's run, then.    ajb007/biggrin

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Thunderpussy wrote:

You're looking forward to Logan's run, then.    ajb007/biggrin

Indeed  ajb007/lol

But I'm just looking forward to 'better-scripted' stories too...and not 4 years apart  ajb007/wink   ajb007/biggrin

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I went back for a second viewing, and while I still think it's a great film and Craig's finest effort to date, there are some points I want to make about ways in which it could have been improved.

On the plus side, the deep character development is really something to be applauded.  Bardem and Dame Judi really steal the show in this one and it does leave Bond a bit sidelined at times.  The simplicity of the plot proves to be a strength and allows the characters and acting to stand out.  Adele's Bond theme is brilliant and this is a much wittier film that the previous two starring Daniel Craig.  I very much enjoyed the British locations and the chase through the Tube was great.  I remember saying to a friend in London last year that they should film a Bond chase on the Underground, as it is a marvelous feat of British engineering.  This also has to be the best title sequence of the Daniel Craig films, an homage to the days of Maurice Binder.

However, there are some things I noticed second time of viewing.  M's death is really quite ludicrous.  In the pyrotechnics, she somehow picks up what seems to be a flesh wound, which suddenly becomes deadly when Bond arrives at the chapel.  In a film in which Bond is shot and falls from a train into a waterfall, only to live to tell the tale, the manner in which M dies in implausible.  It would have been better for M to be shot by a dying Silva in the chapel, just as Bond thinks he has saved her.

This leads me onto the next point.  For what must be the first time, James Bond failed in his mission.  This film was all about protecting M from Silva, and he failed.  At the end, I was left asking myself 'What was it all for?  What did Bond actually achieve?'  The Bond girls hardly feature in the film at all and are subordinate to the plot, rather than being central to it.  As I said before, I like the implied sexual encounters, but the only strong female lead is Dame Judi Dench. 

And as I have said before, the gunbarrel at the end does not work for me at all.  I completely accept that Bond has to change moving forward, but I can't see any artistic reason why opening with the traditional gunbarrel would be to the detriment of the film.  The pre-titles was very well done, but what made it different from Bourne or any other action film?  As some others have also said, the musical score won't be one that is remembered (with the exception of the title song). 

All in all, a very enjoyable film, Daniel Craig's best one to date.

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did it not jar with anyone that tanner is swilling a heineken after the  inquiry attack whilst at work in mi6 headquarters?...seemed odd...as did the lingering omega watch closeup in the pre credits chase