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delon64 wrote:

did it not jar with anyone that tanner is swilling a heineken after the  inquiry attack whilst at work in mi6 headquarters?...seemed odd...as did the lingering omega watch closeup in the pre credits chase

It was noticeable (especially the watch), but in reality it helped finance / facilitate the film actually happening, so it's no biggie for me really.  In this day & age it's a necessary evil.

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In response to my earlier post...

Spoiler
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news … arter.html

Two-parter rumours denied by Daniel Craig - Phew!

Apologies for straying off-topic again, just wanted to clear that up.

http://www.classicbondforums.tk - Please support our community.

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Hi there

I have watched Skyfall on the weekend and after QoS that I didn't enjoy it at all, I was expecting a Bond movie like Casino Royale, not in the style but in terms of story and feeling, the cast, the director, the writers are great so I was really anxious about it.

And it didn't let me down! Yes it's different of Casino Royale, but it's a good way to restart with the series!

Javier Bardem is a hell of a vilan, funny, dangerous, with the right feeling, just like Scaramanga in my opinion...

Ralph Fiennes is obvious the next M, his name is Mallory ajb007/tongue (and goes back with the old M stuff, posture, sense of humour,etc)

Miss MoneyPenny has return from the graves ajb007/tongue YEAHHH

The movie is fresh in terms of Bond feeling but that on the major part of the film, but in the end we can sense a way of the old stuff, new M (just like the old one, Miss MoneyPenny, the office, the door office, etc etc)

It isn't a Casino Royale, that it's on my top 3 Bond movies ever, but Skyfall has made it, and much better that QoS and I think the next Bond has everything to be a great one!

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scottmu65 wrote:

In response to my earlier post...

Spoiler
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news … arter.html

Two-parter rumours denied by Daniel Craig - Phew!

Apologies for straying off-topic again, just wanted to clear that up.

Thank god. I'm very glad to hear that!

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Simply amazed at how good it was.  Mendes has done an incredible job with this film.

Everything that a true Bond fan would want the film to be was there. 

What was most apparent and something we haven't seen for a long time was the humour - this film almost didn't take itself seriously but at the same time it did.

One tiny little scene keeps repeating itself in my mind:  When M says to Bond, "Orphans are always the best recruits" there is a little smile on Bond's face and I swear you can read his mind thinking back to the train scene in CR with Vesper telling him exactly the same thing.  Did anyone else get this???

Truly an awesome Bond film and one I believe will stand alone.

007 Reporting for Duty.

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Enjoyed it and off to another viewing!!

Only thing I did not enjoy was (minor negatives)

1) Sat by idiots in the cinema (whats new there!)
2) suspect CGI in the Casino and Silva removing his teeth
3) last minute of film just didnt feel right with the Moneypenny announcement, it felt forced to me. and maybe could have been done better.
4) Same with announcement of the new "M", it was obvious Mallory was "M" and the way Bond had to slip in his name (M) felt forced in.  Would have preferred if left out and he simply called him M in the next outing. I mean we knew it and was not required!!
5) Severine - I gather she survived (distracted by idiots) or was she shot?  Anyhow not sure but she seemed to simply dissapear without some kind of proper ending.  Would have preferred this was tidied up in some fashion e.g bumped off or you see Bond meeting up with her at the end in typical Bond style.  EDIT. I believe she did get shot however it was not clear to me if survived.  Hopefully my second viewing wont have idiots in the cinema!
6) loved they put the Bond theme into the movie however sometimes did not fit the soundtrack surrounding it (David Arnold style music would have fit better)

Things I really really liked:

1) Shanghai scene with the Assasination - very cool!
2) DB5 gadget tease with M however to be suprised when he does in fact use the built in guns later.
3) Skyfall lodge scene felt like it might have a cheesey outcome but it came out great!!  Though M seemed involved too much when should have been in hiding from the start!
4) returning to fitness / training.  Lots of us always wished for this and we got it!!
5) Enjoyed Severines scenes, wish she had stuck about more!!!  I actually thought her acting was superb, considering she was playing the disposable Bond girl I was suprised and missed her later on!

PS - not sure if I was distracted and missed it but I dont recall seeing Bond running through London training in tracksuit as we saw in trailer???

EDIT: The PTS was very good but I felt like I had already seen it hence was not jaw dropping - this was my fault due to the fact the entire sequence when pieced together had been show in various clips.  Damn I wish I had a total blackout until seeing the movie but its difficilt in this day and age!!

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Severine was shot dead mate.

"Waste of a bloody good" actress. 

Wasn't expecting that though, which made it even better.

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007 Reporting for Duty.

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Bond_James_Bond wrote:

Severine was shot dead mate.

"Waste of a bloody good" actress. 

Wasn't expecting that though, which made it even better.

Yeah far too early in the film!!!

Off to see IMAX version tomorrow so hopefully no chavs in the theatre!! ajb007/biggrin

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I heard on the radio that since the release of Skyfall sales of cut throat razors
have increased by over 400%    ajb007/bond 
    I can remember my Dad saying he tried one Years ago, Used it Once........
...... Then quickly put it back in its Box as an Ornament.   ajb007/lol

1, OHMSS.  2,CR.   3, LTK.  4, FRWL.  5, Skyfall.

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silly affectation...even flemings bond used a modern gillette

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Where's the damn "Like" Button.

007 Reporting for Duty.

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I'm back now from watching skyfall, like the film, but it was not the masterpiece of all time.
In my opinion it's much better than qos, but don't beat cr.
I like the end with the new old office and the new nerdy q.
But the story was not that great, to me.

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Mostly negative responses to the Daily Mail review..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/re … wards.html

''saw skyfall yesterday and found it just average and no way matching the hype.The story was all over the place. The villain was a cross between jimmy saville and Hannibal lector while albert finny just turned up as a giant human garden gnome.The only actor who came across with some substance was ralph fiennes apart from that it was just average acting and a film just too long and sometimes boring with a weak story where the james bond girls were just like extras in the background for a few mins.The fllm had more elements of Bourne than Bond overall..The music was awful with no identity of its own to give the feel the james bond films use to have up to the living daylights..''

Current thoughts: Not a big fan of the Craig era. Casino Royale is clearly the best of the three though. The Moore & Brosnan films are better for me. Must read another Fleming book soon (only ever read one- Dr.No).

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Meh it's the daily mail. (Shite)

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Christmas Tounes wrote:

Mostly negative responses to the Daily Mail review..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/re … wards.html

Skyfall has been overhyped by the media. I think the main reason it is getting such media praise is that it is seen as a brave departure with a strong dose of characterisation. Personally, I don't think it wholly succeeds. A number of quite valid comparisons have been made with Bourne, The Dark Knight and Straw Dogs that do detract from the film slightly. I have one or two other issues, such as not showing or explaining how Bond manages to survive after being shot by Eve. Despite these things, it is still a very good and entertaining film.

As for the Oscars. I can see nominations for Roger Deakins (Cinematography) and Adele for her title song. Javier Bardem is less likely, some powerful scenes but not enough screen time.

Moore Not Less 4371 posts (2002 - 2007)       Moore Than (2012 - 2014)

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I have seen it THREE times now since Saturday.
Still love it.  decided on the following ratings for Craig's three movies.

QoS 8 out of 10
Skyfall 9 out of 10
CR 10 out of 10

Love them all

ajb007/lol

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Strangeways wrote:

I have seen it THREE times now since Saturday.
Still love it.  decided on the following ratings for Craig's three movies.

QoS 8 out of 10
Skyfall 9 out of 10
CR 10 out of 10

Love them all

ajb007/lol

I'm only on 2 viewings to date (possibly a 3rd now due over the weekend), but I have the same ratings as your good self - I'd maybe even possibly push SF up to 9.25, but that's just me splitting hairs!

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Moore Than wrote:

As for the Oscars. I can see nominations for Roger Deakins (Cinematography) and Adele for her title song. Javier Bardem is less likely, some powerful scenes but not enough screen time.

Anthony Hopkins only had 16 minutes of screen time in "Silence of the lambs" but won the Oscar so you never know.

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Shady Tree wrote:

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When, in 'Skyfall', M makes a knowing reference to the vintage Aston Martin DB5's ejector seat, it's almost as if she's realigned herself with 'pre-reboot' continuity. Come to think of it: is the DB5 in 'Skyfall' meant to be the same one that the newly promoted 007 of CR won from Alex Dimitrios, with a few modifications added? Or is it, by a sleight of merged continuities, meant to be the same vehicle in which the earlier Bond raced around during TB and GE, preserved in MI6 storage?)

It is the car from Goldfinger BMT 216T NOT the one from Goldeneye BMT 214T.  That was the only thing that really jolted me from the ride. The empty rush hour tube could just pass by. I didn't need to know why Silva paid an expensive international assassin to break into an empty office. cut a whole in the single glazed (!!??) window in order to shoot someone with a rifle when he already had 3 or 4 people in the room with the victim, all with guns! That is just the way with Bond.  But the Goldfinger Aston did make me try to make excuses for it instead of enjoying the ride.

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When Silva kills Severine Bond makes a quip about waste of good whisky.
There have been plenty of Bond quips when a baddy gets killed, but I cannot think of another one where the doomed girl is offed.

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welshboy78 wrote:

PS - not sure if I was distracted and missed it but I dont recall seeing Bond running through London training in tracksuit as we saw in trailer???

EDIT: The PTS was very good but I felt like I had already seen it hence was not jaw dropping - this was my fault due to the fact the entire sequence when pieced together had been show in various clips.  Damn I wish I had a total blackout until seeing the movie but its difficilt in this day and age!!

I don't remember the running either.  I didn't watch any trailers until after seeing the film.

I also sat in the cinema for about 10 minutes with my eyes shut so that I didn't have to see clips from the film in the adverts. They paid for the film to be made - why try to spoil it for me when I come to watch it?

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I saw it again, the running scene was cut from the final edit.

Also you right about the ads for Skyfall product, it went on and on and on.  I was in the cinema for 40 mins before the film started, that many ads and then the trailers etc

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As well as the running scene, there's a line that was shown in the trailer but cut from the film  - it's when he says "trust me" before turning the steering wheel of the Land Rover in to the black Audi in the PTS.  Also think there's another line when M is speaking to Mallory about Bond being somewhere in the South China Seas, (or something like that), that didn't make the cut too.

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Well, as you may have judged by some of my comments today, I saw the film last night and didn't rate it. I met up with Strangeways - by the way, I keep meaning to ask you SW, are you aware your moniker is 'wrong' and it should be Strangways, or is that deliberate? - and he was on his third viewing. Mind you, he was saying it's fab - I wouldn't want to be innocent and in the dock with him offering a testimonial.  ajb007/crap  In fact, having seen the movie after listening to his glowing tributes, I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out he's straight, and his idea of heaven is a trip to B&Q on a Sunday morning with the wife and kids before heading out with the lads to watch Milwall...   ajb007/amazed    ajb007/biggrin

Anyway... where to start? Skyfall is a bit like Adele's song. Her song is sumptuous, lush, well produced and impressive - it's just not a good tune really. Not one for the iPod. You wouldn't listen to it twice if it weren't a Bond song. Not like the brilliant songs of yesteryear, Nobody Does It Better, DAF, any of them really. I heard YOLT played on the radio straight after Skyfall, now that's a song, works as a song in its own right.

So it is with this film. It looks sumptuous, thanks to Roger Deakin's cinematography, and it has scope and ambition. It just isn't a good movie. It doesn't click for me. In a way it was the same with the director's other films, The Road to Perdition. It looked great, it was heavy with intent, and had a few fantastic scenes in it, but it just doesn't move along. In a way, SF made me think better of QoS, but not much. At least that is relatively grounded, but actually SF is the film QoS might have been had they finished the script and dumped the Bourne-style camera work. Which might be, you'd think, a great Bond film. But no, it has pretensions. These directors shouldn't be let near a Bond film. They can't tell which implausiblities you can get away with, and which you can't. I sense a slumming it vibe, as if to say, well, if this doesn't make sense who cares - it's only a Bond film. Both men are big on symbolism, which I hate in movies when it doesn't connect on its own surface meaning.

When did it mess up? Early on. Bond is on a bike, so far so good, except he's left an agent to die, another charming Mathis moment. He'll disobey M's order when he likes, but not in this case of course! We have a name for a bloke like this in England - jobsworth. Maybe that could be the name of the next Bond film, sung by Adele:

Jobsworth!
Get the T-shirt
From the foyer
That'll be another 15 pounds please

Anyway, big fail is when he has to get onto a moving train. Now, if you've ever watched Octopussy and thought that it badly needed a shot of Berkoff's General Orlov in a fight on the train in West Berlin, well, you're in luck as that's pretty much how Craig looks. He moves like a bloody crab and it's like it's meant to be like that... Anyway, most of us would pull up to the bridge and jump off, but our man crashed headlong the bike into the bridge and goes flying over, just hoping this will see him land on the train roof. Like you do. Perhaps Moore's Bond could have just crashed his dismantled car into the Pont Neuf and gone through the windscreen.

It goes on like this, silly stuff with the digger on the train takes this far away from the grounded quality of Casino Royale and really they're falling back on the old outrageous Bond stunts/routine to reel us in now. M is the professional irritant, but if Bond is not dead why does he look it when he falls into the water, because he has the camera on him? I mean why would you try to look dead if you're not actually? Shades of Bourne again... Lavish credits of the 'if you didn't like that one, here's another' variety overkill.

I'll keep it short. This is the Craig and Dench show. Both their characters are talked down - with total justification as far as I can see! They both seem to be idiots. Craig is said to be old and past it - only two films back they were trying to make out he was the young kid on the block! So when M is sad she thinks he's dead, why should she care? This isn't the Bond of legend, he's only been on two missions, not world beaters by any standard. This is one way the film tries to tap in to Bond's iconography at the expense of him as a real person. He just isn't a real guy in this film. Sure, Craig has white beard growth and looks 60 - he's good at that - but it's all a nonsense really.

I did like the scene where he is chilling and downing shots with the scorpion, that was cool. But we don't really know how long that has gone on for, weeks or months? Or how he survived the shot. I mean, he was shot wasn't he? Or, we are thinking, was it an elaborate hoax?

Then... how does he break into M's flat again, does she really have no security - and at a time like this, too, when someone is after MI6 and M specifically.

I think the nadir is when he cockily says he can save the trapped girl in Shanghai. Righty-ho! Sneaks on her ship, easily done. Walks naked into her shower, without a by your leave. Oh, the daft scene when he lets the black gal shave him - though he doesn't really know her and may well be a double agent at this stage in the game, ludicrous. Anyway, he thinks he can just show up on his own to meet the villain. Like you do. I mean, good luck with that. It starts to feel like The Man with the Golden Gun at this point, in terms of general believability - yet this is the rugged, credible Craig we're meant to go with.

CGI buildings on the island, like The Expendables 2.

Bond is shown to be morally repugnant of course when he is forced to shoot the drink off her head. It's just a nasty situation, are we meant to empathise and cherish a sociopath. Apparently, because he's British. There's no moral outrage in the bloke, like when he sees the receptionist get shot earlier. He just seems mildly interested. Anyway, at that point the helicopters show up to rescue Bond and there's this daft jubilant bit of brass! Like, hey ho, he's safe! No matter the girl he went out to save is, er, dead!

The villain, well, some sort of Lector/Joker hybrid rip off. During his opening monologue, you'd want Bond to interrupt and say 'Is this going to take long?' The film is littered with dialogue nods to other movies, 'Bring it back in one piece', 'the old ways are the best' and so on, I suppose like when you're banging a minger you might want the memory of past shags to carry you through...

Rubbish! Bond on the rush hour with unconvincing passengers, nothing like as credible as Bourne Supremacy. A tube train crashes - but no one is in it! The team lacked balls, they thought if something went off in Olympic year, they'd be stuffed. So it's the only tube train in rush hour not packed.

Bond of course has the chance to shoot Silva but doesn't, as you do. Bond runs like a robot in this, like Kryton from Red Dwarf. In the boat going across to the Shanghai casino, he looks like a tailor's dummy... But is it deliberate, perhaps? To show how heartless he is?

So it is with Dench's M, everyone calls her 'maam' in this, on and on it goes, is it meant to sound like 'mum'? Is it some ruse by the director, to make her seem a maternal figure? Or just irritating. Dench does her usual blather she's been on since GE about how there are no nations anymore, the villains are in the shadows. This tranlsates as 'We're too PC to make extremist Islam the bad guys'... and I guess she's not heard of Iran. Or Putin's Russia. Burma. China. Course not. Blimey, she deserves to be fired!

FFS! The Aston has an ejector seat. Erm... Don't think so. Or maybe the guy Bond won it off in CR was part of Q branch and had it installed. My mind was just whirling by this point.

To me, the director may be a fan boy, but so was Lee Tamahari. These types just fling a lot of stuff at the wall and hope it sticks.

So off to Scotland, to face up to the villain on your own, like you do. This maybe a metaphor for the Uk attitude to Europe. Or it may not, it may just be rubbish scriptwriting. Who knows? Logan signposts everything a great deal, there's a lot of talk and rubbish obvious exposition throughout the film, all tell don't show. Ooh, what a surprise that Mallory is not such a bad guy after all!

Off to Gotham Towers, for a standoff like the final scene of Bourne Identity, er, but that made sense cos Bourne really was on his own against the forces, whereas Bond isn't, it's just done for dramatic effect. Doesn't phone ahead, oh no. Finds out there are no guns, it all got sold off - cos they thought he was dead? It's a lot of info to take in. It's a different movie by this stage, I couldn't take it in.

M and new pal wandering about in the dark with a frickin torch! Like you would. You know, stay out of sight. Bond going in chase, though he doesn't know Silva is chasing them, for all he knows he's dead.  Doesn't bother to pick up a gun from anonymous henchman before running into chapel. Shiny new tombstone from his parents on site. Bond closes his bosses eyes a bit quick, maybe it was wishful thinking! Silva, who seems suicidal, gets his wish to kill M. Bond is the Wayne Rooney of MI6, everyone talks him up, and he cocks it all up. Like in CR, when the villains get away with the money at the end, and the girl dies! What a man! So he takes it upon himself to 'protect' M and use her as bait, and she dies. Mallory gets the top job, which is what he wanted - no wonder he's so happy to see Bond at the end.

To cap it all? Bond: 'I didn't catch your name again... ' No? I mean, I haven't let Strangeways shave me, and I haven't shagged him either, we've met three times but I do know his name actually. I mean, you tend to introduce yourself, that's the way it goes. But Bond has done all that but he doesn't even know this bird's name, bloody hell, at least he knew Agent Fields' surname, if not that she was called Strawberry.

The message at the end is, right, after the revamp we've taken three films to get back to where we were before Dench arrived on the scene, with a secretary and a male boss. Though what Fiennes is doing in this, along with Ben Whishaw, I don't know, it's like a retirement home for theatre thesps looking to pay off a mortgage, they all seem a bit sheepish.

All in all, this film is as believable as Bond's stunt with the Queen for the Olympics, but more pretentious and not as funny.

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Bond: Mr. Mathis, there's something that's been worrying me...
Mathis: Yes?
Bond: Well, you're a French police inspector, yet you speak with an Italian accent.
Mathis: Mamma mia, it worries me, too.