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Just my opinion, but I feel they put much more of the novel in the movie, than what was left out.  I think they did a great job. Even having the villain have an eyepatch at the end.

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Peppermill wrote:

I'm sorry but I have to disagree about CR the movie packing almost all the Fleming story. I think it misses a lot of key scenes from the novel and the scenes it adds have nothing to do with the novel al together. I have never understood why people say that this movie is so close to Fleming.

It has some of the same stuff, but key moments - such as Vesper being briefed by the Chief of Staff about the kind of man Bond is, and her realisation when he snubs her over dinner, and the revealing chat with Mathis at the end about the nature of good and evil, key moments for me that could easily have made it in but they didn't. The vibe is different too, none of the smoky world weary stuff.

Bond: Mr. Mathis, there's something that's been worrying me...
Mathis: Yes?
Bond: Well, you're a French police inspector, yet you speak with an Italian accent.
Mathis: Mamma mia, it worries me, too.

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Bugger - will start re-reading tonite.

Interesting about movie vs book etc. I think it was a good job overall considering they had to modernise it.

Always wonder what Tarantino's version would of panned out like if he got his way.  He revealed it would if been shot as the same era as the book and also filmed in black and white!!!!  He also wanted to cast Brosnan which would have been strange to see in this aspect!

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Yeah, I don't know how far he got with the script on that if at all. Black and white? A bit crazy. I imagine it might have had the flavour of Kill Bil Volume 2. Dunno why he was so keen on Brosnan.

Bond: Mr. Mathis, there's something that's been worrying me...
Mathis: Yes?
Bond: Well, you're a French police inspector, yet you speak with an Italian accent.
Mathis: Mamma mia, it worries me, too.

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I think from the interviews that I have seen etc that Tarantino had it all pretty much drafted and had even gone through it all with Brosnan.

All bizarre really, I guess by getting Brosnan (current Bond) onside etc Tarantino thought he would actually get the nod.

I think in the recent Taschen book it mentions Tarantinos version was a proper adaption of the book and confirms he wanted to shoot in black and white

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Peppermill wrote:

I'm sorry but I have to disagree about CR the movie packing almost all the Fleming story. I think it misses a lot of key scenes from the novel and the scenes it adds have nothing to do with the novel al together. I have never understood why people say that this movie is so close to Fleming.

I agree with this.

I would say that the movie is a very good modernisation of the Fleming story and key themes are shared between novel and screen but the story itself is fundamentally different and the characters are almost unrecognisable from their literary counterparts.

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I really seem to be out of step with most here, but I didn't the same vibe others did.

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Thunderpussy wrote:

I really seem to be out of step with most here, but I didn't the same vibe others did.

I think I'm with you on this, TP. I thought the movie was a very good adaptation and modernization of the novel. Of course there are significant differences, but the vibe is there for me. After reading the book again recently for our little "book-of-the-month club", I wished in a way the ruminations between Bond and Mathis about the nature of good and evil could have been included in the movie. But upon reflection, I think such a scene might have been a bit too talky and could have interfered with the flow of the film. Also, with respect to the book, I was struck again by the distain displayed by Bond as he reflected on his feelings about women in general, and I didn't find the softening of his attitude towards Vesper to be that convincing. In fact, although the deepening relationship between Bond and Vesper in the movie wasn't fully fleshed out, I thought it seemed more authentic.

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Blackleiter wrote:

I wished in a way the ruminations between Bond and Mathis about the nature of good and evil could have been included in the movie.

I really love that part of the book, it's a wonderful insight into the mind of Bond as he is recovering. As you say though, it would be too talky for a film. It would work very well in a mini-series though, as would a lot of Fleming stuff. It's a shame that movies have to rush, in a manner of speaking, and have to cut out character moments like that out as they are completely superfluous to the narrative.

I think HBO's adaptation of Game of Thrones has shown that a mini-series really is the best way to adapt a novel. I would really love to see someone do a completely faithful, period Bond series covering all the original Fleming books. Alas, it is highly unlikely ajb007/frown

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I have also believed for a long time that the books should be properly adapted in mini-series form, but as you say, it is highly unlikely.

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Blackleiter wrote:
Thunderpussy wrote:

I really seem to be out of step with most here, but I didn't the same vibe others did.

I think I'm with you on this, TP. ... After reading the book again recently for our little "book-of-the-month club", I wished in a way the ruminations between Bond and Mathis about the nature of good and evil could have been included in the movie. But upon reflection, I think such a scene might have been a bit too talky and could have interfered with the flow of the film.

But the talky thing really could have worked in a Tarantino film...

Bond: Mr. Mathis, there's something that's been worrying me...
Mathis: Yes?
Bond: Well, you're a French police inspector, yet you speak with an Italian accent.
Mathis: Mamma mia, it worries me, too.

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Napoleon Plural wrote:
Blackleiter wrote:
Thunderpussy wrote:

I really seem to be out of step with most here, but I didn't the same vibe others did.

I think I'm with you on this, TP. ... After reading the book again recently for our little "book-of-the-month club", I wished in a way the ruminations between Bond and Mathis about the nature of good and evil could have been included in the movie. But upon reflection, I think such a scene might have been a bit too talky and could have interfered with the flow of the film.

But the talky thing really could have worked in a Tarantino film...

I like Tarantino but I wouldn't want him to do Bond .The problem would be that he would want to put his stamp on it and while his stamp may work for some things, I don't think his style would suit Bond at all.

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Yeah, he does seem to be increasingly self-referential. Dunno, I love his films, to me they feel like old Bond movies, the same blend of comfort yet daring. Pulp Fiction, to me, is endlessly rewatchable, looks good, sounds great, fast turnover of classic scenes - just like an old Bond movie.   ajb007/smile

Bond: Mr. Mathis, there's something that's been worrying me...
Mathis: Yes?
Bond: Well, you're a French police inspector, yet you speak with an Italian accent.
Mathis: Mamma mia, it worries me, too.

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I think the Tarantino dialogue thing is starting to wear thin with me now, it was great back in the day when Sam J was rolling it out but if im honest it bored the crap out of me in Django and Inglorious Bsterds and the characters are starting to merge from film film.

With that in mind he would have had to change his formula for Bond and it would have been interesting to see what he would have pulled off

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I for one love his work and would go so far as to say that he's a genius as a director. I too would have loved to see his take on Casino Royale, and think he would have taken in to account the history of the series.

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Thunderpussy wrote:

I for one love his work and would go so far as to say that he's a genius as a director. I too would have loved to see his take on Casino Royale, and think he would have taken in to account the history of the series.

I'm a big Tarantino fan also, and I believe Casino Royale could have been very interesting in his hands (although I am thrilled with the Casino Royale we got).

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Just to remind everyone that the Bond of the month is Live and Let Die. This is a great chance for anyone to read the Fleming novels. Infact I haven't read the books in years and this will be my first time reading them in order.  ajb007/biggrin

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Thunderpussy wrote:

this will be my first time reading them in order.  ajb007/biggrin

Then you're in for a treat, TP, and I envy you. Enjoy!

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Even fron reading CR , I'm amazed at what I'd forgotten over the years.  ajb007/lol

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You guys seem to be getting ahead of me...I am halfway through CR right now.  Will post my thoughts when done.

Bond: "But who would want to kill me, sir?"
M: "Jealous husbands, outraged chefs, humiliated tailors . . . the list is endless."

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Oh, I don't really see much written about the novel...mostly comparisons to the movie...which I couldn't care less.

Bond: "But who would want to kill me, sir?"
M: "Jealous husbands, outraged chefs, humiliated tailors . . . the list is endless."

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Thunderpussy wrote:

Just to remind everyone that the Bond of the month is Live and Let Die. This is a great chance for anyone to read the Fleming novels. Infact I haven't read the books in years and this will be my first time reading them in order.  ajb007/biggrin

Started and finished yesterday. I was about a third of the way through when this project started so I waited until Casino Royale was out of the way. I had a long journey in my van yesterday and listened to the entire audiobook. I'll collect my thoughts over the coming days and then post them  ajb007/smile

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It'll be great to read all the different views. I have to confess I started reading it last night, couldn't wait.  ajb007/lol

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Casino Royale was the first Bond book that i ever read, back in 2006 to prepare myself for the film with the same name. I was then 9 years old, but the words stuck out and burned into my mind and made Bond a human. The morals from the 50's did appeal to me in a way and Flemings way of writing hooked me from the first moment. I have since re-read it once as a part of my marathon. And the following is my opinion of this book!

Casino Royale is a real classic in the litterature world. Mostly because that the book marked the beginning of the James Bond phenomenon but also that it contains the classical good versus evil in a pure way.
All the elements are there, everything that would go on and make the Bond novels so famous is in Casino Royale. You can feel it from the first page, from the very first words. Ian Fleming uses his prose excellent and explains Bonds world brilliant. The game - Chemin dé fer is so bloody intresting even though i have no idea how to play it. But Fleming makes it work.

The characthers are all well rounded and intresting, Bond is a younger more naive soul here than he will be in the upcoming books. And it makes him more accesible for us, the readers. So this was a new experience for me, this book made me realize that James Bond is something more than the super cool, suave agent that has been portrayed on the screen. The way he falls for Vesper is brilliant and understandable, she seems so likeable. Even though she hurts Bond and betrays England. The part when Bond reads the her letter is so heart sobbing and terrible. And we get the motivations for why Bond continues on and to fight the evil (a bit transparent word in the world of Fleming, but i can't find a better expression).
Le Chiffre is the groundstone for what to come, and even though he doesen't have much time to be exposed we can still feel his large (obese) presence that almost stands behind Bonds neck and breaths. He is terrifying.

But the two stand out scenes are of course the torture scene which hurts. In the way that Le Chiffre just sits and drinks coffee while he makes Bond suffer.
The other scene is soon after Bonds recovery, when he talks with Mathis about the good and the evil. It is just a great monologue and we get to know the identity of Bond for the first time.

It is a great book, but it will be surpassed by books that are yet to come.
I give it a: 9.5/10

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ajb007/martini  Nice review, wow only 9.  I didn't get in to the Books untill I was about 12   ajb007/lol