Bond's " Jump the Shark " moments ?
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Reading a comment from BlackLeiter in another thread ( thanks by the way -{ ) He
used the term " Jump the shark " an expression from the TV show Happy Days.
Showing how a show can go too far and throw any crazy idea at it to try and keep
it going.
So have any members any thoughts on The Bonds, did they have any " Jump the shark "
Moments ? Maybe some that aren't as obvious to the rest of us
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For Me the a biggest was putting Bond into space in Moonraker !
used the term " Jump the shark " an expression from the TV show Happy Days.
Showing how a show can go too far and throw any crazy idea at it to try and keep
it going.
So have any members any thoughts on The Bonds, did they have any " Jump the shark "
Moments ? Maybe some that aren't as obvious to the rest of us
)For Me the a biggest was putting Bond into space in Moonraker !
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took over ( doing a very bad Sean Connery impersonation )
Guy Hamilton was always telling the actors to have fun, I guess at the time it was thought to be
funny, for your average Eight year old.
oops, Getting mixed up in my threads.
I don't think that counts, since it's in the novel and is a neccesety to film the plot of the book.
Lazenby's "This never happened to the other fellow," seeming to break the fourth wall, is another such moment. While it could be interpreted in different ways, it seems to be self-referential (though I will admit that when the police officer says, "He'd have wanted it that way" in You Only Live Twice, he seems to be talking as much to us the audience as to the other officer in the room).
After that, the Bond films become less a series than a franchise, so tonal and character changes don't register as much for me anymore. I just accept them as Bond movies, no matter how ludicrous or brooding.
True, it was in the novel, but I think it was very poorly executed in the movie. And this is from a guy who loves the movie version of YOLT.
In my opinion the Japanese makeup doesn't fall into this category, and the poor execution is irrelevant. Bond in space in however a very good excample.
Having Bond surfing on an iceberg courtesy of CGI and returning to his invisible car however is probably the point when the shark had been so completely left behind that it was necessary to reboot the series...
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It's funny that some people make a big deal about Bond going into space. As a kid/teenager watching Moonraker, I never even questioned it for a second. And still don't!
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Roger Moore, Replacing an Original.
Sure there have been some dodgy moments and missteps, but overall the series has held it together pretty well.
Dalton's lucky he didn't literally jump a shark while water skiing in LTK.
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More than fair. Imitators come and imitators go, be they called Matt Helm or Jason Bourne, but the Bond series is unique. There's never been anything like it before and who knows, there won't be anything like it again. For over 50 years (!) we've had James Bond films, made by a consistent group of people (gradually replaced by heirs or proteges in many cases) and every single one has been financially successful (yes, BT, that includes TLD and LTK).
We as fans can carp over the dodgy moments and missteps Firemass mentions, but above all we should be grateful and proud that one thing is certain:
JAMES BOND WILL RETURN
and you can't say that for every franchise!
In many ways you love them all the more for it, and you get to pull each others leg over it for
years.
Rog will never live down the tarzan yell he pulled back in '83
(but hey Octopussy is still a great Bond film)
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back at old photos, and are so ashamed.
True that!
He thought it was a very solid entry to the franchise. I enjoyed this viewing the most for whatever reason. However, his immediate fault with the film was, you guessed it, the windsurfing scene! His comment:
"Too many computers."
That's my "Jump the Shark" moment. Thankfully, the reboot shortly followed.
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Totally. It's a miracle the Bond films hold up as well as they do. Imagine if Lazenby was a long-haired hippie Bond in '69. It would have been super groovy at the time!
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So…to put the Bond series in that context, I don’t think it jumped the shark until DAF. Even with YOLT, despite of how that movie was panned by critics, most commonly saying how bored Connery seemed, to me the movie as a whole was still sincerely delivered, in that they took what was happening as something seriously taking place.
On the other hand with DAF, in its PTS you see a cursory anger from Bond because his wife had just been murdered, though he was practically winking at us as he takes revenge on Blofeld, looking really bored when he limply raises his hands to Blofeld’s men. Then, to really emphasize Bond’s “cute” insubordination we see him bored and rolling his eyes during the lecture about diamonds in the presence of M. We see the flaming high jinx of Wint and Kidd with Blofeld in drag as the icing on the cake. Then of course there were lines such as “ACME pollution inspection. We're cleaning up the world, we thought this was a suitable starting point... ” and the sending up of the James Bond notoriety with “you killed James Bond!”
Based on what I’ve read, I haven’t really found any admissions from anyone about a creative crisis during DAF and it seems like for a moment, all those in power lost it and perhaps felt invincible with the series’ successes and felt that there is nothing they could do wrong…and they actually dared to put it to the test! Indeed, the conditions of that creative crisis made it ripe for “jumping the shark.”
It didn't seem to me that they felt invincible, indeed I get the impression that they felt they were playing it safe.