Batman Forever Vs. Diamonds Are Forever

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These two films couldn't be anymore different but they have a similar sounding title (BATMAN FOREVER AND DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER) and they were something of a franchise reinvention. They both made each franchise more silly and eventually the silliness would be taken too far. And Bond would have to dial it back a bit.

But Batman couldn't do that. They couldn't have a fifth entry in Burton and Schumacher franchise, were everything was suddenly dialled back a bit. No, they had to make us wait eight lousy years for Christopher Nolan to renew/reinvigorate the franchise with Batman Begins.
"Ahem, you know in the future if you're going to steal cars, don't dress like a car thief, man." - Spider-Man

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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    The first two Batman films were great, the next two were embarrassing. :#
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • LegoBatman008LegoBatman008 USAPosts: 189MI6 Agent
    Thunderpussy wrote:
    The first two Batman films were great, the next two were embarrassing. :#

    Are you talking about Tim Burton's Batman and Batman Returns?
    "Ahem, you know in the future if you're going to steal cars, don't dress like a car thief, man." - Spider-Man
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Yes, after those it turned into the 60s tv show. :#
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • LegoBatman008LegoBatman008 USAPosts: 189MI6 Agent
    Thunderpussy wrote:
    Yes, after those it turned into the 60s tv show. :#

    How do you feel about Christopher Nolan's one-off "Batman" trilogy?
    "Ahem, you know in the future if you're going to steal cars, don't dress like a car thief, man." - Spider-Man
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I love it -{ really enjoyed his Batman and they look amazing on bluray.
    He also showed how imax could be used for action films. How about you ?
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • LegoBatman008LegoBatman008 USAPosts: 189MI6 Agent
    Thunderpussy wrote:
    I love it -{ really enjoyed his Batman and they look amazing on bluray.
    He also showed how imax could be used for action films. How about you ?

    I like Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. But The Dark Knight Rises is okay I guess, I don't really care for Anne Hathaway as Catwoman though.
    "Ahem, you know in the future if you're going to steal cars, don't dress like a car thief, man." - Spider-Man
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    :D We all like different things. When I first read that she was to be Catwoman
    I thought it would never work, but as with many things I was wrong. :) for me
    at least she made a brilliant Catwoman.
    Even Silva owes something to " The Joker " as his plan on getting caught by Bond
    is very similar to the Dark Knight story. ;)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • LegoBatman008LegoBatman008 USAPosts: 189MI6 Agent
    Yes. I read an article on IGN that said Sam Mendes was inspired by The Dark Knight, and that made me smile because I always looked at Casino Royale as almost the Batman Begins of the franchise and after Skyfall came out I thought it was about time they made a sequel that emulated The Dark Knight story. Because that's probably the second best Batman film ever made, and it was such a fascinating story.
    "Ahem, you know in the future if you're going to steal cars, don't dress like a car thief, man." - Spider-Man
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,317Chief of Staff
    Did you know that Michael G. Wilson's father, Lewis, was the first Batman way back in the 40s?

    http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/21717/the-7-actors-who-have-played-batman

    His mother Dana later married Cubby Broccoli and they had a daughter, Barbara.
  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    DAF is way sleazier and campier than BAF. Batman Forever is probably my favorite of the Batman films! At least it got some of the origin stories right.

    As as avid fan of the Batman comics from 1939 to 1979 I am actually pretty disappointed with all the Batman films, especially the Christopher Nolan trilogy. Batman Begins is a pack of lies and uses a bogus origin story. People are fooled into thinking it's the gritty "real" Batman, but it's just modern garbage with no roots or ties with the classic Batman mythology.

    If you want to discover the true Batman origins try reading: The Origin of Batman 1948 and The First Batman 1956.

    My alltime favorite Batman stories are: Ghost of the Killer Skies 1970, Half an Evil 1971 and No Hope in Crime Alley 1976
    My current 10 favorite:

    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    Note that Sean Connery borrowed a couple tricks from 1950's Batman:

    Using hollow reeds as underwater breathing tubes while being pursued in the jungle.

    Using a fake seagull helmet while swimming underwater.

    (see photos)
    seagull_Batman.jpg


    hollowreeds_Batman.jpg
    My current 10 favorite:

    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    How do you feel about the treatment of the Bane character in both
    series of Batman films ?
    There is an old episode of Batman on the double video of Ghostbusters 1 & 2.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    First, DAF is better.
    Second, Nolan is a great film-maker, but he shouldn't be allowed near Superman or Batman movies.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    I was just thinking...which Batmen were like which Bonds?
    To me,
    Connery = Bruce Timm's animated Batman
    Lazenby = Kilmer
    Moore = West
    Dalton = Keaton
    Brosnan = Clooney
    Craig = Bale
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    DAF is better. BF is a clumsy return to the camp of the 1960s show, without the fun, wit, actors, production design, and music that made the series work.
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    I suppose you could add Indiana Jones and The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull to the VS List. It was pretty Campy compared to the previous three Films.
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    :)) A mate of mine summed up Crystal Skull like this,
    " It was so bad it even managed to tarnish the other Films !"
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Thunderbird 2Thunderbird 2 East of Cardiff, Wales.Posts: 2,777MI6 Agent
    edited March 2014
    I like the original 2 Burton Batman films and Batman Forever. The latter works because Val Kilmer and Nicole Kidman play it straight and Chris O'Donnell plays Dick Grayson well against the loss of his family. These elements balance the pantomime of Carey's Riddler and Le Jones's Two Face.
    I also like Batman Begins, with the exception of Katie Holmes as Rachel Dawes the casting is perfect, great music and cinematography, and a good storyline with a credible villian in Raw Al Guhl. Even if Bruce's loss of his parents has become stale from overuse already. - Unfortunately the second and third films in the trilogy are too long and too clever for their own good. Heath Ledger's originality as the Joker, - both scary and disgusting, is matched by Anne Hathaway's funny and sexy turn as Catwoman in part 3. Otherwise the films try too hard to be dramatic, moody and impressive, and the increased scale and scope damages the credability of the world carefully created in Begins. Also casting the same people in similar positions to Inception was a mistake. Ruins the suspence of the third film completely if you saw Inception first.

    DAF has poor writing, a potted structure and a weak baddie due to bad casting. However, it was Connery's official swan song. The fact the man can utter the line "I'm with ACME polution inspection. We are clearing up the world and thought we'd start here!" raises a smile rather than a groan says it all. Its not great, but it has its enjoyable moments. Def better than Batmans worst, by a long chalk.

    Speaking of which, Barman has a great supporting role in The Lego Movie! That has to count for something too! :-)
    This is Thunderbird 2, how can I be of assistance?
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