GoldenEye vs. The World is Not Enough

GoldenEye85GoldenEye85 Posts: 278MI6 Agent
in The James Bond Films
Between Brosnan's first and third Bond movies which do you prefer more and why?

Both have great villains, great settings and plotlines. The background music for both were solid, I thought. Both have a good pace to them. Everything that identifies them as Bond movies are very present in both films.

So it is a tie for me.

What about you? Bond 17 vs 19, which one is better?
1, GE 2, CR 3, SF 4, TWINE 5, Spectre 6, TMWTGG 7, DAD 8, LALD 9, AVTAK 10, LTK 11, Octopussy 12, Moonraker 13, TLD 14, GF 15, QOS 16, Tomorrow 17, FYEO 18. TSWLM Not seen much: Dr. No, Russia, Thunderball, Twice, Majesty.

1: Brosnan 2: Craig 3: Moore 4: Dalton 5: Connery and 6: Lazenby
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    Goldeneye -{ Where Bond took back his Throne.
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Goldeneye for me too -{
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  • hehadlotsofgutshehadlotsofguts Durham England Posts: 2,107MI6 Agent
    Goldeneye for me as well. Never really liked TWINE that much.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    I really like TWINE a lot, but the whole Bond vs. anti-Bond thing in GE just wins it for me.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • PeppermillPeppermill DelftPosts: 2,860MI6 Agent
    GoldenEye. Maybe for sentimental reasons but this is one of my favourite Bond Movies.
    1. Ohmss 2. Frwl 3. Op 4. Tswlm 5. Tld 6. Ge 7. Yolt 8. Lald 9. Cr 10. Ltk 11. Dn 12. Gf 13. Qos 14. Mr 15. Tmwtgg 16. Fyeo 17. Twine 18. Sf 19. Tb 20 Tnd 21. Spectre 22 Daf 23. Avtak 24. Dad
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    I like TWINE quite a bit, and I think it contains Brosnan's strongest performance as Bond, but I give a slight edge to GE. It was such a thrill to see the franchise re-launched, and I think Pierce did a pretty good job of slipping into the role of 007. Judi as M is a real plus, and Sean Bean provides a formidable and interesting villain.
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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,274MI6 Agent
    If only you could combine the two... the slickness and edge of GE, plus the cinematography, action and scale vs Brozzer's looks and perfromance in TWINE, the more plausible and less labrythine narrative, the relative lack of self-referencing...
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  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    Frankly, TWINE...

    The whole anti-Bond thing in GE gets very wearisome. I am not a fan of GE...
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  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,292MI6 Agent
    Napoleon Plural wrote:
    If only you could combine the two... the slickness and edge of GE, plus the cinematography, action and scale vs Brozzer's looks and perfromance in TWINE, the more plausible and less labrythine narrative, the relative lack of self-referencing...

    Yup this was kind of what I was going to write!!!

    TWINE is a weird one - I never have any inclination to watch it but when I do I actually quite enjoy it!!! It feels a bit too long for its own good though
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  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,689MI6 Agent
    TWINE over GE but both are good. TWINE is better on the character motivation front.
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  • Charmed & DangerousCharmed & Dangerous Posts: 7,358MI6 Agent
    Goldeneye every time! The pace, direction and the jeopardy presented by Trevelyan are far superior to TWINE IMO. Though David Arnold's score for TWINE beats the hell out of Eric Serra's anachronistic* entry.

    *probably the wrong word but one gets so little chance to use it, even in the right context!
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,294Chief of Staff
    Charmed & Dangerous wrote:
    *probably the wrong word

    It's a good word, one of many that could be chosen to describe Serra's effort- such.as unfortunate, misguided, inappropriate...
  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,416MI6 Agent
    I pick TWINE, it has such a great story that Skyfall copied most of it.
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  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,689MI6 Agent
    walther p99 wrote:
    I pick TWINE, it has such a great story that Skyfall copied most of it.

    I thought that parts of CR were copied from it too.
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  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,236MI6 Agent
    GE is like, a thousand times better
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • GoldenEye85GoldenEye85 Posts: 278MI6 Agent
    People don't like the background music from GoldenEye? I'm kind of surprised by that! Each one seems to fit the scene they are in perfectly. Two pieces really stood out for me. The first one was used when the General and Xenia steal the chopper and when Natalya emails Boris.

    The second was used a few times in the movie, but the first time was when the GoldenEye was being stolen from the bunker, in the train when Natalya is on the computer and Bond is trying to cut through the floor and the final time was when Boris twirls the pen grenade, trying to reprogram the GoldenEye.
    1, GE 2, CR 3, SF 4, TWINE 5, Spectre 6, TMWTGG 7, DAD 8, LALD 9, AVTAK 10, LTK 11, Octopussy 12, Moonraker 13, TLD 14, GF 15, QOS 16, Tomorrow 17, FYEO 18. TSWLM Not seen much: Dr. No, Russia, Thunderball, Twice, Majesty.

    1: Brosnan 2: Craig 3: Moore 4: Dalton 5: Connery and 6: Lazenby
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Somehow I too feel the music suits the film. -{
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,294Chief of Staff
    The orchestrated cues aren't too bad, but the synthesised ones grate.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    For the most part the scenery is cold and metalic
    Which I think is mirrored by the music. :) Don't
    Think it's great music but it suits the film.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    The orchestrated cues aren't too bad, but the synthesised ones grate.
    It was serviceable overall, and definitely better than FYEO, but still lacking IMO.
    I rate GE & TWINE similarly. TND was tops. :x
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,294Chief of Staff
    chrisisall wrote:
    I rate GE & TWINE similarly. TND was tops. :x

    I agree re TND (probaby Arnold's best) but would definitely rate TWINE streets ahead of GE- "Only Myself To Blame", which is used instrumentally as Elektra's theme throughout the movie, is a beautiful melody and beats anything Serra wrote for example.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    My favourite D Arnold score is QOS. :D although I too
    Much prefer the music of TWINE to GE.
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  • Mr MalloryMr Mallory North by northwestPosts: 632MI6 Agent
    Goldeneye. For Me.
    What makes you think this is my first time?
  • DevilMayCare007DevilMayCare007 Posts: 196MI6 Agent
    GE for me :D
    TWINE was just a soap opera for me
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    1. Thunderball 2. FRWL 3. Casino Royale 4. TLD 5. OHMSS 6. SkyFall 7. GF 8. TSWLM 9. GE 10. FYEO
  • GoldenEye85GoldenEye85 Posts: 278MI6 Agent
    edited November 2014
    Here are the two pieces I was talking about from GoldenEye.

    Stealing the helicopter:

    http://youtu.be/tXbSKd02CCQ?list=PLYZ4DQq9Vj5k2ZPzd3tdUUtzldOT4p4C5

    Setting off and stealing the GoldenEye:

    http://youtu.be/o4q21vRoqHI?list=PLYZ4DQq9Vj5k2ZPzd3tdUUtzldOT4p4C5

    I don't know why, but these two have an eerie appeal to them for me. Especially when the second one picks up.
    1, GE 2, CR 3, SF 4, TWINE 5, Spectre 6, TMWTGG 7, DAD 8, LALD 9, AVTAK 10, LTK 11, Octopussy 12, Moonraker 13, TLD 14, GF 15, QOS 16, Tomorrow 17, FYEO 18. TSWLM Not seen much: Dr. No, Russia, Thunderball, Twice, Majesty.

    1: Brosnan 2: Craig 3: Moore 4: Dalton 5: Connery and 6: Lazenby
  • JamesbondjrJamesbondjr Posts: 462MI6 Agent
    Goldeneye for me. It's individual moments are better and they add up to more than TWINE's do. There's a certain lack of polish which makes the film really atmospheric. I feel Brosnan's other films were too polished. I do like them though, particularly TWINE.

    As for the Goldeneye score, it's a strange one. It sounds quite dated now but it works for the film and captures the mood perfectly. It's not one I could listen to on it's own though.
    1- On Her Majesty's Secret Service 2- Casino Royale 3- Licence To Kill 4- Goldeneye 5- From Russia With Love
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Jamesbondjr wrote:
    There's a certain lack of polish which makes the film really atmospheric.
    Most Bond movies on a budget seem to have that IMO.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • BIG TAMBIG TAM Wrexham, North Wales, UK.Posts: 773MI6 Agent
    My mind keeps changing on this but at the moment I'd put GoldenEye first.
  • InternationalExportsInternationalExports Posts: 269MI6 Agent
    Goldeneye for me too. Although they should have kept the scene they chopped from the start as to how he gets the gate open at the dam, I think Sean Bean is phenomenal. I think it was downhill for Brosnan after that TWINE and TND felt a bit too comic book. I think someone has said this before on here and about Roger Moores period, they graduly get cliche and silly for the point of entertainment as the writters struggle to come up with something fresh, hence a reboot comes its fresh and re-ignites the franchise.
  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,416MI6 Agent
    I loved GE's score, had it appeared in any other Bond film it would have been massive disaster. With the exception of the horrible car race music, I think it fits the tone and atmosphere of GE like a glove, far better then anything Barry or Arnold could've come up with.
    @deanwdunlevy
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