Why is Roger considered a "Superman" Bond?

FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
I've noticed that Roger's portrayal of 007 is sometimes regarded as a "Superman" Bond.

Just for arguments sake let's take a look at the PTS from Moonraker, Goldeneye, and Skyfall:

Sure, his Bond gets tossed out of an airplane without a parachute, but he works his arse off to obtain a parachute from the other fellow. His Bond does not simply fly away to safety, or hit the ground and somehow survive.

Compare this with Goldeneye where Brosnan does a ridiculously impossible freefall to catch the plane. Bond must have relied on some superpowers that day.

Skyfall also portrays Bond as superhuman and indestructible. His Bond is basically has the same funny invincible status as Jaws in TSWLM/MR. Send him off a cliff, over a waterfall, out of an airplane, it doesn't matter because he will keep popping up alive.

I can't think of a single RM moment that even comes close to matching the Superman moments of Brosnan and Craig.

Actually, Connery had the first "Superman 007" moment when he lassoed the tail of a B-17 flying overhead and was yanked away into the sky with Domino holding on for dear life!
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Roger was the only Bond to fly like " Superman" in Moonraker. ;)
    Which was a brilliant stunt. -{ and I think his films had some of
    The most outrageous, fantastic stunt work ever captured on film.
    So I wouldn't be too annoyed if he's called the " Superman" Bond
    "Stuntman" Bond might be more appropriate ! {[] :)
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  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    Firemass wrote:
    Compare this with Goldeneye where Brosnan does a ridiculously impossible freefall to catch the plane. Bond must have relied on some superpowers that day.
    Skyfall also portrays Bond as superhuman and indestructible.  His Bond is basically has the same funny invincible status as Jaws in TSWLM/MR. Send him off a cliff, over a waterfall, out of an airplane, it doesn't matter because he will keep popping up alive. 

    The difference is Brosnan's stunt would be impossible in real life, whereas Craig's is possible, though highly unlikely.

    As for Roger, he's the first Bond to have those near impossible stunts. Also, he does everything without losing his cool, and without a hair out of place (The end of MR, he's destroying capsules flying around the world in a space shuttle, yet he could be having a tea with the Queen)
  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    By pure chance I just found this, I thought you might like it.


    tumblr_nfev1rh5g51rujq2eo2_1280.jpg
  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    The end of MR, he's destroying capsules flying around the world in a space shuttle, yet he could be having a tea with the Queen

    That was basically an auto-pilot type scenario. Similar to flying a drone aircraft from a laptop.

    Don't forget the great scene earlier in the centrifuge trainer where got the *&!# knocked out of him. And in regards to your Octopussy photo: Disarming that bomb in at the circus was certainly no picnic…that might be the closest we've come to seeing Bond in sheer panic.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    By pure chance I just found this, I thought you might like it.


    tumblr_nfev1rh5g51rujq2eo2_1280.jpg
    Sorry, Photoshop crap. 8-)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Virgil37 wrote:
    By pure chance I just found this, I thought you might like it.


    tumblr_nfev1rh5g51rujq2eo2_1280.jpg
    Sorry, Photoshop crap. 8-)

    Given both Octopussy and Superman III were shot at Pinewood Studios and released in june 83,it could be genuine.
  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    Firemass wrote:
    That was basically an auto-pilot type scenario. Similar to flying a drone aircraft from a laptop. 

    When the auto-pilot malfunctions and he has to shoot manually, he's still as cool as a cucumber.
    Firemass wrote:
    Don't forget the great scene earlier in the centrifuge trainer where got the *&!# knocked out of him.

    Right, that must be the one scene where he acts a little like a human being would, hair out of place, not being able to walk properly, all sweaty. The next minute he's perfect again like nothing happened. A normal human being would take a week in hospital to recover. He's no doubt a Super-human.
    Firemass wrote:
    Octopussy photo: Disarming that bomb in at the circus was certainly no picnic…that might be the closest we've come to seeing Bond in sheer panic.

    He was in panic because of the people, not because of himself. By the way, do you think the picture is fake? I don't think so, it looks genuine to me.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    Given both Octopussy and Superman III were shot at Pinewood Studios and released in june 83,it could be genuine.
    It's documented that Reeve visited the set, but this photo is fake. Reeve was a good 3 inches taller than Moore, and look at the line between them. Nicely done for amateur work, but please. :))
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • AdamOmegaAdamOmega Edmonton, AB, CanadaPosts: 297MI6 Agent
    Interesting thread. I hadn't previously considered the parallels between Roger Moore's James Bond and Superman (specifically), but once thing I always appreciated about the Moore era Bond movies was that they frequently brought a comic book sensibility to the films; Bond fans are typically keen on drawing ties to the literary origins of the character (Fleming, etc.) but tend to forget that 007 also made a rather effortless transition to comic strips as well. I've always enjoyed "heightened reality" and outlandishness of certain Bond movies, particularly in the Roger Moore era.
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    I've never heard that Superman analogy
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    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • 00730073 COPPosts: 997MI6 Agent
    Firemass wrote:
    Actually, Connery had the first "Superman 007" moment when he lassoed the tail of a B-17 flying overhead and was yanked away into the sky with Domino holding on for dear life!

    Nope, that was just another method of extracting personnel.

    It was called Fulton Surface to Air Recovery System, STARS for short, and it was actually in service up until 1996.

    Here is wiki page of the system: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulton_surface-to-air_recovery_system

    Here is a Daily Mail article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2218540/The-real-life-James-Bond-rescues-Flying-Skyhook-wasnt-just-007-helped-recover-CIA-agents-enemy-lines.html

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  • sniperUKsniperUK UlsterPosts: 594MI6 Agent
    Firemass wrote:
    Compare this with Goldeneye where Brosnan does a ridiculously impossible freefall to catch the plane. Bond must have relied on some superpowers that day.
    !

    Totally impossible ;)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9PxJU3eIcA
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    :)) great video -{
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  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Virgil37 wrote:
    Given both Octopussy and Superman III were shot at Pinewood Studios and released in june 83,it could be genuine.
    It's documented that Reeve visited the set, but this photo is fake. Reeve was a good 3 inches taller than Moore, and look at the line between them. Nicely done for amateur work, but please. :))

    True, Reeve was 6' 4", but you can't really tell from the picture where Moore is standing or what footwear they're wearing, can you? I don't see a "line between them", and the lighting is correct (look at the reflection in their eyes).If you say it's documented that Reeve visited the OP set, it could be genuine.
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    Bond holding onto the Plane in OP would be rather difficult to do :)
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  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    sniperUK wrote:
    Firemass wrote:
    Compare this with Goldeneye where Brosnan does a ridiculously impossible freefall to catch the plane. Bond must have relied on some superpowers that day.
    !

    Totally impossible ;)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9PxJU3eIcA

    Where's the mountain? where's the motorbike? It's not the same stunt. In fact, they couldn't pull it off in the movie. B.J. Worth is interviewed saying although he thought the stunt was feasible, they could't make it happen. That's why the actual film was obviously FX.
  • sniperUKsniperUK UlsterPosts: 594MI6 Agent
    The word you used there was FEASABLE not impossible. The take of speed of a Porter is only 40 plus MPH, less in a headwind, groundspeed of a motor cycle is well in excess of that, with the catapult effect it would propell the bike at greater speed towards the aircraft that will reach terminal velocity ,unpowered fall, later than the bike due to slower take off rate and more drag making it FEASIBLE that it could catch up or even over take the falling aircraft . As the video shows, using the same type of aircraft the it is possible to enter a falling Porter from freefall. Making it FEASIBLE as BJ Worth said .
  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    sniperUK wrote:
    The word you used there was FEASABLE not impossible. The take of speed of a Porter is only 40 plus MPH, less in a headwind, groundspeed of a motor cycle is well in excess of that, with the catapult effect it would propell the bike at greater speed towards the aircraft that will reach terminal velocity ,unpowered fall, later than the bike due to slower take off rate and more drag making it FEASIBLE that it could catch up or even over take the falling aircraft . As the video shows, using the same type of aircraft the it is possible to enter a falling Porter from freefall. Making it FEASIBLE as BJ Worth said .

    I can't be so FEASIBLE when they tried it several times, and ended up using crappy FX to make it happen.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    +1, I'm happy with Feasable, it is Entertainment after all not a Documentary. :D
    as Fleming himself said, his stories were " Improbable, not Impossible" ;)
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  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    +1, I'm happy with Feasable, it is Entertainment after all not a Documentary. :D
    as Fleming himself said, his stories were " Improbable, not Impossible" ;)

    Yes, but if it's feasible it should be captured on film. That's the point of Bond stunts. The MR PTS is "improbable, not impossible", and they could capture it on film. GE PTS, might be feasible in certain conditions, but it turned out to be impossible film.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    wait a minute!

    I've heard that the Moonraker PTS stunt was not done in one take and I really feel kind of cheated because it's obviously not "feasible" X-(
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    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    :)) :)) :))
    I can't believe it took more than one take ! :# I bet they
    Even wore concealed parachutes ! Oh how the movies
    Lie to us. ;)
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    wow, I am feeling now so much cheated X-(

    Does someone have EONs email address?
    I am asking my money back :D
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    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    wait a minute!

    I've heard that the Moonraker PTS stunt was not done in one take and I really feel kind of cheated because it's obviously not "feasible" X-(

    Nobody is discussing editing.

    I really felt cheated in that GE scene.
  • PeppermillPeppermill DelftPosts: 2,860MI6 Agent
    Virgil37 wrote:
    Higgins wrote:
    wait a minute!

    I've heard that the Moonraker PTS stunt was not done in one take and I really feel kind of cheated because it's obviously not "feasible" X-(

    Nobody is discussing editing.

    I really felt cheated in that GE scene.

    I remember the entire cinema cheering after that. Everybody knew "Bond IS BACK!!!"
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  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Peppermill wrote:
    Virgil37 wrote:
    Higgins wrote:
    wait a minute!

    I've heard that the Moonraker PTS stunt was not done in one take and I really feel kind of cheated because it's obviously not "feasible" X-(

    Nobody is discussing editing.

    I really felt cheated in that GE scene.

    I remember the entire cinema cheering after that. Everybody knew "Bond IS BACK!!!"

    It was the same in the theater where I first saw Goldeneye. We were thrilled! -{
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  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    Peppermill wrote:
    Virgil37 wrote:
    Higgins wrote:
    wait a minute!

    I've heard that the Moonraker PTS stunt was not done in one take and I really feel kind of cheated because it's obviously not "feasible" X-(

    Nobody is discussing editing.

    I really felt cheated in that GE scene.

    I remember the entire cinema cheering after that. Everybody knew "Bond IS BACK!!!"

    I have mixed feelings about Goldeneye...

    + glad Bond is back

    - it like going backwards
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  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,212MI6 Agent
    Peppermill wrote:
    Virgil37 wrote:

    Nobody is discussing editing.

    I really felt cheated in that GE scene.

    I remember the entire cinema cheering after that. Everybody knew "Bond IS BACK!!!"

    It was the same in the theater where I first saw Goldeneye. We were thrilled! -{

    I remember everybody laughing at the scene. It was embarrassing.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Maybe it depended on which cinema you first watched it in ? :))
    Some get an odd crowd, I seem to remember the audience cheering
    When I appeared. :))
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  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Moore was considered the "Superman" Bond because he was able to knock out his opponents with the super wind emanating from his swinging fists and legs, since his punches and kicks obviously didn't even come close to actually striking anyone! :))
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