James Bond and Kingsman

I've just watched the trailer for Kingsman with Colin Firth and think it's a little similar to a James Bond Film which made me think that it may be a good watch to ready ourselves/ keep us going until the main event in October/ November - SPECTRE, what does everyone else think.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    :)) The posters for it are very " FYEO" ;)
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  • Moore ThanMoore Than EnglandPosts: 3,173MI6 Agent
    I have seen two trailers for Kingsman: The Secret Service. Very well known faces in the cast, the spoofing of James Bond. Reminded me somewhat of Casino Royale 1967, and looked about as appealing. Harsh opinion?.......perhaps.
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  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Moore Than wrote:
    I have seen two trailers for Kingsman: The Secret Service. Very well known faces in the cast, the spoofing of James Bond. Reminded me somewhat of Casino Royale 1967, and looked about as appealing. Harsh opinion?.......perhaps.

    Could not possibly be as bad as Casino Royale 1967! 8-)
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • deliciousdelicious SydneyPosts: 371MI6 Agent
    Kingsman looks like its going to fill the aching void left by the reboot of Bond into the boring, tortured, un-sexy, gadget-less creature that he's now become. Kingsman's Colin firth even comments on Bond at one point: ‘The Bond movies are only as good as the villain’ which is partly why QoS and SF were such a awful movies - their villains s**ked. Kingsman appears to have all the wit, action, sensuality and pure joy that I used to love in the Bond franchise before they started "deconstructing" him in GE.
  • BIG TAMBIG TAM Wrexham, North Wales, UK.Posts: 773MI6 Agent
    I anticipate EON will be keeping a close eye on KINGSMAN & Guy Ritchie's take on THE MAN FROM UNCLE - both critically & commercially. KINGSMAN's already received some good notices, most pointing out the fun element. It could be that the current 'serious' take on 007 may finish with Craig & the next actor would preside over a more fantasy-based film. However, if KINGSMAN & ...UNCLE prove average successes EON may well decide to continue in the same vein... Unless SPECTRE isn't well received. It's all down to public taste.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I hoping to see Kingsman next week. -{
    Although with the suits and Umbrellas, I think it's more strongly
    Influenced by John Steed and the Avengers ? ;)
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    It's a mashup of all Spy Films -{
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    delicious wrote:
    the aching void left by the reboot of Bond into the boring, tortured, un-sexy, gadget-less creature that he's now become.

    Sorry, but I have no idea what you are talking about. ?:) And judging from the generally positive critical notices and box office success of Craig's Bond films, I am apparently not alone. :007)
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • Lady RoseLady Rose London,UKPosts: 2,667MI6 Agent
    I hoping to see Kingsman next week. -{
    Although with the suits and Umbrellas, I think it's more strongly
    Influenced by John Steed and the Avengers ? ;)

    I thought it had an 'Avengers ' feel too.

    I won't be watching the film ... just Colin Firth
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I'm going in my "Steed" outfit. ;)
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  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 26,420Chief of Staff
    I'm going in my "Steed" outfit. ;)

    Bridle and saddle ? :D
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    :)) No that's for 50 shades ! :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    delicious wrote:
    Kingsman looks like its going to fill the aching void left by the reboot of Bond into the boring, tortured, un-sexy, gadget-less creature that he's now become. Kingsman appears to have all the wit, action, sensuality and pure joy that I used to love in the Bond franchise before they started "deconstructing" him in GE.

    I share your sentiment of the re-booted Bond. I wonder if the pendulum will swing in the other direction and Bond films will be similar to Kingsman. (Which may be too over-the-top for me)
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    delicious wrote:
    the aching void left by the reboot of Bond into the boring, tortured, un-sexy, gadget-less creature that he's now become.

    Sorry, but I have no idea what you are talking about. ?:) And judging from the generally positive critical notices and box office success of Craig's Bond films, I am apparently not alone. :007)

    Agreed, the Craig Films have been extremely successful -{
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    There's room for all espionage movies, fun and frothy all the way to the
    Complete serious tone of " Tinker Tailor ..... ". -{ for me the Craig era has
    Walked the right line of Humour and story. :D If the Bond producers were to
    Panic every time a spy movie came out, I don't know what the Bonds might have
    Looked like, given the success of Austin Powers, Bond would have gone all
    " Benny Hill", then with the success of " Tinker Tailor ..." Bond would have become
    Very serious !
    I think the Producers know what they're doing, no need for Panic. :))
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    Well the current Films are affected in some way by the Bourne Films -{
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • stagstag Posts: 2,083MI6 Agent
    Well the current Films are affected in some way by the Bourne Films -{

    Agreed. Where Bond used to lead he now follows. Does anyone think that the extended pauses between productions have anything to do with it?

    BTW I'm not planning to watch 'Kingsman'.

    having watched the Bond series over the holidays (I think TMWTGG is on tomorrow) it's my opinion that there is definitely something missing in the new films - Brosnan onwards. Through watching these up to now the only 'old' Bond film I have disliked is YOLT, I actually didn't make it through to the end.

    Then again I'm much more of a fan of old films in general.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Sorry Lads ( I'm roping you in with the youngsters, Stag) ;) but I must disagree ( and I am Unanimus, in that ) :))
    I can only see the Bourne infulence in QOS ( understandable as loads of the Bourne team were involved). As for
    CR, it looks to me a pretty traditional Bond film, even SF ( In my Opinion) is a traditional Bond film.
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  • stagstag Posts: 2,083MI6 Agent
    edited January 2015
    I forgot about CR! Yes I agree it was a traditional Bond film. However QoS & SF have something important missing - I can't put my finger on it but just something. It's a personal thing but they just did absolutely nothing for me &, without the obvious references, I felt I could have been watching any number of other action films.

    As already stated it's probably has a lot to do with my own preference for 'classic' films as much as anything else.
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    I think that's the first Time that TP has disagreed with me :D :o
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    No, not disagreeing, Your wrong and I'm right ! :)) :p
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • deliciousdelicious SydneyPosts: 371MI6 Agent
    stag wrote:
    I forgot about CR! Yes I agree it was a traditional Bond film. However QoS & SF have something important missing - I can't put my finger on it but just something. It's a personal thing but they just did absolutely nothing for me &, without the obvious references, I felt I could have been watching any number of other action films.

    As already stated it's probably has a lot to do with my own preference for 'classic' films as much as anything else.

    "Entertainment" is the missing thing you can't put your finger on. The villains have been weak or mediocre and the writers are spending too much of the films trying to get inside Bond. There are two terms that can be applied to films - esoteric and exoteric - interior-focussed vs exterior-focussed. Action films like Bond are predominantly exoteric - if I want a deep and meaningful character study I'll watch a Merchant Ivory or Woody Allen film. By moving Bond into the esoteric space they are subverting everything that makes Bond entertaining. Bond only needs a minimum of esoteric content, eg the impulse to get justice or revenge, that's enough.
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    delicious wrote:
    stag wrote:
    I forgot about CR! Yes I agree it was a traditional Bond film. However QoS & SF have something important missing - I can't put my finger on it but just something. It's a personal thing but they just did absolutely nothing for me &, without the obvious references, I felt I could have been watching any number of other action films.

    As already stated it's probably has a lot to do with my own preference for 'classic' films as much as anything else.

    "Entertainment" is the missing thing you can't put your finger on. The villains have been weak or mediocre and the writers are spending too much of the films trying to get inside Bond. There are two terms that can be applied to films - esoteric and exoteric - interior-focussed vs exterior-focussed. Action films like Bond are predominantly exoteric - if I want a deep and meaningful character study I'll watch a Merchant Ivory or Woody Allen film. By moving Bond into the esoteric space they are subverting everything that makes Bond entertaining. Bond only needs a minimum of esoteric content, eg the impulse to get justice or revenge, that's enough.

    And yet millions were entertained by the recent spate of Bond films, so there's that.................. ;)
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • thegreatgallingthegreatgalling Posts: 180MI6 Agent
    I didn't mind the tone CR and QoS went for and then I appreciated when it came back a little toward what we are used to with SF. The producers have both said that Austin Powers was the impetus for the change - so we know these spoof movies matter. Lets hope Kingsman doesn't deter the path we are taking that seems to be working, I prefer when Bond movies only concern themselves... with themselves.
  • Thunderbird 2Thunderbird 2 East of Cardiff, Wales.Posts: 2,774MI6 Agent
    I thoroughly enjoy all the Bond films, with the exception of CR-67.

    When I say that I include the spectrum from the Fleming classics of Dr No and GF, the extravigence and silly in YOLT and MKR, thrillers like FRWL and FYEO, and modern twists like TWINE and CR-06. Only QoS short circuits because of the editing.

    However, having seen Kingsman, I can say I enjoyed it and definitely hardens back to the entertaining yet extravigent era of the Moore films. It does so unashamedly as the director intended. Is that bad for Bond? No. But I do miss the CR-06 level of mischievous humour I felt QoS and SF lacked by comparison. Kingsman is not competition, and at one point Bond is directly name checked. I see it as a funny, slightly surreal bonus spy film. One that delightfully doesn't take itself too seriously.

    I haven't seen any of the Bourne films and have no wish to. Jeremy Renner is great as Hawkeye in the Avengers, and Matt Damon is an actor I can take or leave.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    After watching The Kingsman, I left the cinema with a big smile on my face. -{
    Great fun, absolutely not in competition with Bond, a completely different
    Approach. Over the top fun/action/violence. In fact it's like someone decided to
    Do a serious remake of Austin Powers ! :D
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    I still haven't had a Chance to go and see it :# I'll just wait until it's out on DVD -{
    1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Absolutely, I'll be getting the bluray for the special features etc
    If you liked kickass you'll like Kingsman -{
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  • readpaulbreadpaulb Cleveland, OhioPosts: 86MI6 Agent
    After watching The Kingsman, I left the cinema with a big smile on my face. -{
    Great fun, absolutely not in competition with Bond, a completely different
    Approach. Over the top fun/action/violence. In fact it's like someone decided to
    Do a serious remake of Austin Powers ! :D

    Just got back from the theater and did a search to see if anyone was already discussing this. I thought Kingsman was fantastic as well, totally not Bond though (obviously).
    I like your comparison to a serious remake of Austin Powers, it really almost is up until the last twenty or so minutes. I thought it was really great though, was half expecting it to be a flop, but I think it was well worth the price of admission.

    As more people see this movie on here I'd love to hear their opinions.
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  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    I'm looking forward to checking it out over the next few days. Seems like a fun movie (and I did enjoy the Kick-Ass movies, especially the first one).
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
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