Skyfall - A classic?

MilleniumForceMilleniumForce LondonPosts: 1,214MI6 Agent
I have been thinking about this for some time now, but has the general reaction to Skyfall been matched before with other Bond films? I mean the way it's on TV often, now being one of the best known films of the 2010's, and how it's included in basically anything to do with Bond on TV, the Internet and especially YouTube. It's quite incredible how three years on, Skyfall is being shown on ITV every couple of weeks. Has it been like this for any other Bond film when they were the most recent in the series? But more importantly, is it already a classic?
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    edited June 2015
    I would personally say that it is a Classic -{

    But has it got the same classic Status as Goldfinger, The Spy Who Loved Me, etc ? I would say not yet.
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  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    You know it might actually be so...
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,292MI6 Agent
    I think over time the hype will wear off. Enjoy it but I dont think its superb

    I think Casino Royale is a classic, Skyfall? No
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  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    Popular? Certainly. Profitable? Undeniably. Current? Of course. Good? Not bad. Classic? No.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    welshboy78 wrote:
    I think over time the hype will wear off. Enjoy it but I dont think its superb

    I think Casino Royale is a classic, Skyfall? No

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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    welshboy78 wrote:
    I think over time the hype will wear off. Enjoy it but I dont think its superb

    I think Casino Royale is a classic, Skyfall? No

    Though I think I prefer Skyfall over Casino Royale, I agree with this. I don't think Skyfall will hold up as well.
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  • stagstag Posts: 2,083MI6 Agent
    No.
  • HoldenHolden UKPosts: 664MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    welshboy78 wrote:
    I think over time the hype will wear off. Enjoy it but I dont think its superb

    I think Casino Royale is a classic, Skyfall? No

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    I'm in the same camp as well. Casino Royale gets better with watching multiple times, whereas Skyfall becomes worse.
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    It's lonely here in the Classic Skyfall Club :( :D
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  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    Its too early to tell..

    OHMSS became a legend sometime in the eighties. This film will take time to grow. When others have fallen by the wayside I believe the storyline will hold up. And Mendes direction and Craigs acting will hold up well

    Of course if you don't like it now.....you ain't gonna like it ten years time...
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
  • The Wicker ManThe Wicker Man EnglandPosts: 434MI6 Agent
    I think to earn the right of classic status a film has to have been around for a number of years. For me Skyfall is a wonderful film, will it stand the test of time - I suspect it will. But will it be seen as a classic? I'm not so sure.
    Obviously opinions change over the years. OHMSS for a long time after it's release was not seen with the same affection a lot of fans give to it now and few would believe it is now looked upon as a classic by many.
    Of the more modern Bond films Casino Royale appears to have the best chance of being hailed a classic. Some films have an aura about them, the film somehow becomes more than the sum of it's parts, everything clicks into place and for me at least CR seems to have these qualities. I suppose only time will tell.
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    CR is defiantly a Classic -{
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I agree CR is a classic, with SF being a very good top ten entry, it's
    My #5 Bond film at the moment. ;)
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    Its too early to tell..

    OHMSS became a legend sometime in the eighties. This film will take time to grow. When others have fallen by the wayside I believe the storyline will hold up. And Mendes direction and Craigs acting will hold up well

    Of course if you don't like it now.....you ain't gonna like it ten years time...

    The problem with OHMSS is that people weren't willing to accept it due to the man playing Bond. Additionally, in America it suffered from the way it was broadcast. It didn't get much television play either. I remember waiting a long time to see it because it was never on television and video rental shops didn't have it. Skyfall doesn't have as strong a story as OHMSS has. Skyfall really hasn't suffered at all now, so I'd hardly compare it to OHMSS. Skyfall is a good film as to what people like today, just as Moonraker was great for audiences of the 1970s. So who knows how it will hold up.
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  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    edited June 2015
    Classic does not necessarily mean quality, although Skyfall is a great film.

    Moby Dick is a classic book but that doesn't mean there aren't hundreds of books better than it.

    Ultimately, what will matter is the impact it has on the film industry and the films that come after it.
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    Its too early to tell..

    OHMSS became a legend sometime in the eighties. This film will take time to grow. When others have fallen by the wayside I believe the storyline will hold up. And Mendes direction and Craigs acting will hold up well

    Of course if you don't like it now.....you ain't gonna like it ten years time...

    The problem with OHMSS is that people weren't willing to accept it due to the man playing Bond.

    Agreed
    Matt S wrote:
    Additionally, in America it suffered from the way it was broadcast. It didn't get much television play either. I remember waiting a long time to see it because it was never on television and video rental shops didn't have it.

    I'd say it was in the eighties that people could buy it, enjoy it and keep it forever. The furore over lazenby and the British press seem to have subsided and a new generation of Bond fans discovered it.
    Matt S wrote:
    Skyfall doesn't have as strong a story as OHMSS has. Skyfall really hasn't suffered at all now, so I'd hardly compare it to OHMSS. Skyfall is a good film as to what people like today, just as Moonraker was great for audiences of the 1970s. So who knows how it will hold up.

    Skyfall has a strong story whether its as good as OHMSS remains to be seen - that was a Fleming original. The characters you see are all Flemings. But the characters in Skyfall ie M, Silva, Severine all have the touch of Fleming about them...
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  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
    Classic does not necessarily mean quality,

    The definition of "classic" means quality
    although Skyfall is a great film.

    Agreed
    Moby Dick is a classic book but that doesn't mean there aren't hundreds of books better than it.

    There are thousands, actually millions of of books worse then it
    Ultimately, what will matter is the impact it has on the film industry and the films that come after it.

    As I said these things take time....review it in ten years time...
    1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    Classic does not necessarily mean quality,

    The definition of "classic" means quality
    Moby Dick is a classic book but that doesn't mean there aren't hundreds of books better than it.

    There are thousands, actually millions of of books worse then it

    Most classics are great but that doesn't mean most great works are classics.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,703MI6 Agent
    I think a movie needs at the minimum five years, probably about ten years befoe anyone can say if it's a classic. In terms of critical reception and ticket sales Skyfall as a good chance of becoming a classic.
  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,234MI6 Agent
    I would say yes, it is a classic, however, I really have to be in the mood to watch it. It is more epic and character-driven than your average bond film. I guess the DC era on a whole is like that. Not episodic like many of the others.
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  • AdamOmegaAdamOmega Edmonton, AB, CanadaPosts: 297MI6 Agent
    Skyfall is the victim of over-hype and publicity. It's a solid film but I would say in no way, shape or form is it a classic (especially so soon after it's release), let alone a classic Bond film. There's nothing in Skyfall that hasn't been done better in previous Bond entries, and the script is so navel-gazing and thematically ham-fisted that it loses the essence of a proper Bond film. Not to say that it isn't a good film, but it's certainly overrated & not really a classic in my own opinion. Casino Royale is far more deserving of that title.
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  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    Skyfall may be a semi-classic, like You Only Live Twice or The Spy Who Loved Me though.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    Skyfall may be a semi-classic, like You Only Live Twice or The Spy Who Loved Me though.

    TSWLM is considered one of the most classic Bond films, along with FRWL and GF.
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  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    AdamOmega wrote:
    Skyfall is the victim of over-hype and publicity. It's a solid film but I would say in no way, shape or form is it a classic (especially so soon after it's release), let alone a classic Bond film. There's nothing in Skyfall that hasn't been done better in previous Bond entries, and the script is so navel-gazing and thematically ham-fisted that it loses the essence of a proper Bond film. Not to say that it isn't a good film, but it's certainly overrated & not really a classic in my own opinion. Casino Royale is far more deserving of that title.
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  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,172MI6 Agent
    I agree CR is a classic, with SF being a very good top ten entry, it's
    My #5 Bond film at the moment. ;)

    It's No. 4 for me.

    I'm trying to figure out where you went wrong. :)
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    :)) I often do that, myself. ;)
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  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    Skyfall may be a semi-classic, like You Only Live Twice or The Spy Who Loved Me though.

    TSWLM is considered one of the most classic Bond films, along with FRWL and GF.

    There's a difference between quality and innovation.

    TSWLM is of utmost quality and it's one of the best regarded Bond films, but it didn't innovate like FRWL and GF did.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    Skyfall may be a semi-classic, like You Only Live Twice or The Spy Who Loved Me though.

    TSWLM is considered one of the most classic Bond films, along with FRWL and GF.

    There's a difference between quality and innovation.

    TSWLM is of utmost quality and it's one of the best regarded Bond films, but it didn't innovate like FRWL and GF did.

    What does innovation have to do with anything? This is about Skyfall being classic and comparing it to other Bond classics. No definition of classic says anything about innovation, and innovation does make something classic. Here are three definitions of classic that apply to TSWLM:

    "of the first or highest quality, class, or rank"

    "of enduring interest, quality, or style"

    "of or adhering to an established set of artistic or scientific standards or methods"

    The second definition here is what most people are thinking about when they think of "classic" films. A classic Bond film is an enduring film.
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  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    Hence that's why I said semi-classic. TSWLM isn't a classic like GF and FRWL but it still could be considered a classic in some circles.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    Hence that's why I said semi-classic. TSWLM isn't a classic like GF and FRWL but it still could be considered a classic in some circles.

    What is the hence? I still don't follow you. You are wrong if you are judging TSWLM as a classic by innovation because that's not what classic means.
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