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After viewing SPECTRE last nigh with my trusty headphones on I have to say Newman's score was actually quite to my liking. Bond theme a bit underused, but overall not bad at all IMO.
It grew on me. ajb007/martini

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Mirrors  my own feelings,  not the best but not the worst score, with a few
very good tracks.  ajb007/smile

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With the exception of a small number of Tracks, I was disappointed with Newman's score, as I was with Skyfall's. It just feels too quiet and themeless. It's restrained use of the Bond theme is also bothersome. I missed the days where the James Bond theme would explode in the middle of an action scene.

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Barbel wrote:
Bondage007 wrote:

I would even go far as to say Serra no longer is my least favourite composer.

Worse than....?
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Have not watched this. Probably never will...  ajb007/bond

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Never say never....  ajb007/biggrin  ajb007/embarrassed

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Barbel wrote:

Never say never....  ajb007/biggrin  ajb007/embarrassed

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BruceMurdock wrote:

With the exception of a small number of Tracks, I was disappointed with Newman's score, as I was with Skyfall's. It just feels too quiet and themeless. It's restrained use of the Bond theme is also bothersome. I missed the days where the James Bond theme would explode in the middle of an action scene.

I thought the soundtrack to SPECTRE was adequate for the film but not particularly memorable in any way. In other words, it was like 90% of film scores these days.

Unfortunately, your notion of "themeless" film music has pretty much become the norm in modern movies. Very rarely does a composer compose a film score with actual themes that stay with you. Instead, they choose  to just use the music track to evoke a mood via obscure, quickly forgotten passages or popular songs inserted into the scene.

Just think about the memorable and instantly recognizable themes for movies like Richard Donner's Superman, Tim Burton's first Batman or Ennio Morricone's spaghetti westerns and compare them to modern films like Man of Steel or Nolan's Batman films. You'll see that, barring a few exceptions here or there, film music has just evolved into a far less thematically oriented format.

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TonyDP wrote:

I thought the soundtrack to SPECTRE was adequate for the film but not particularly memorable in any way. In other words, it was like 90% of film scores these days.

Unfortunately, your notion of "themeless" film music has pretty much become the norm in modern movies. Very rarely does a composer compose a film score with actual themes that stay with you. Instead, they choose  to just use the music track to evoke a mood via obscure, quickly forgotten passages or popular songs inserted into the scene.

Just think about the memorable and instantly recognizable themes for movies like Richard Donner's Superman, Tim Burton's first Batman or Ennio Morricone's spaghetti westerns and compare them to modern films like Man of Steel or Nolan's Batman films. You'll see that, barring a few exceptions here or there, film music has just evolved into a far less thematically oriented format.

Yeah it's a shame really. It's like composers aren't trying anymore. I'm sure that's not the case in all of them. There have been some recent movies that have a pretty good scores. The Avengers, Kingsman, Mission: Impossible Rogue Nation have had pretty good memorable scores. For Spectre's score in general there were some big moments where Newman could have used the Bond theme to great effect. (The plane chase for one and more of the Rome Car chase.) In fact the score is pretty lazy to me being mostly a redo of Skyfall. I'm just sick of the full Bond theme being reserved for the credits now. It's annoying, I want to see it used during action scenes and somber Bond moments. Heck a theme for Blofeld would have been nice too. It was just weak. It feels like he didn't really care. I'd honestly want David Arnold back or Joe Kraemer to take over the composer's chair. Then we'd get some fresh worthy music.

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BruceMurdock wrote:
TonyDP wrote:

I thought the soundtrack to SPECTRE was adequate for the film but not particularly memorable in any way. In other words, it was like 90% of film scores these days.

Unfortunately, your notion of "themeless" film music has pretty much become the norm in modern movies. Very rarely does a composer compose a film score with actual themes that stay with you. Instead, they choose  to just use the music track to evoke a mood via obscure, quickly forgotten passages or popular songs inserted into the scene.

Just think about the memorable and instantly recognizable themes for movies like Richard Donner's Superman, Tim Burton's first Batman or Ennio Morricone's spaghetti westerns and compare them to modern films like Man of Steel or Nolan's Batman films. You'll see that, barring a few exceptions here or there, film music has just evolved into a far less thematically oriented format.

Yeah it's a shame really. It's like composers aren't trying anymore. I'm sure that's not the case in all of them. There have been some recent movies that have a pretty good scores. The Avengers, Kingsman, Mission: Impossible Rogue Nation have had pretty good memorable scores. For Spectre's score in general there were some big moments where Newman could have used the Bond theme to great effect. (The plane chase for one and more of the Rome Car chase.) In fact the score is pretty lazy to me being mostly a redo of Skyfall. I'm just sick of the full Bond theme being reserved for the credits now. It's annoying, I want to see it used during action scenes and somber Bond moments. Heck a theme for Blofeld would have been nice too. It was just weak. It feels like he didn't really care. I'd honestly want David Arnold back or Joe Kraemer to take over the composer's chair. Then we'd get some fresh worthy music.

There were a few missed opportunities in SP for Newman to unleash the full blown Bond theme that could've really elevated some scenes, the plane chase in particular which has generic action movie music.

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walther p99 wrote:

There were a few missed opportunities in SP for Newman to unleash the full blown Bond theme that could've really elevated some scenes, the plane chase in particular which has generic action movie music.

I completely agree. The finale could have used more exciting music as well. Bigger music could have made the finale feel grander.

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My first time attempting a rescore. I rescored the Spectre Car chase and Train fight using music from 007 Everything or Nothing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4uQl513f7k Car Chase
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VxZiiTOHrM Train Fight

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You know what, i saw it in cinemas and quite enjoyed it. The film has grown on me more and more on Blu Ray on subsequent viewings. HOWEVER, its the first time as a LIFE LONG film buff that i actually sat there today and thought the action in this movie, including the opening and the finale was fantastic but why did it feel so flat, boring and uneventful. Its the first time ive actually notice that a Music Score had really lowered the colours of the film. The music didnt match the visuals. Spectre looked fantastic and i thought the action, acting and story was quite good. I really think the soundtrack let it down...

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Dan Delts wrote:

You know what, i saw it in cinemas and quite enjoyed it. The film has grown on me more and more on Blu Ray on subsequent viewings. HOWEVER, its the first time as a LIFE LONG film buff that i actually sat there today and thought the action in this movie, including the opening and the finale was fantastic but why did it feel so flat, boring and uneventful. Its the first time ive actually notice that a Music Score had really lowered the colours of the film. The music didnt match the visuals. Spectre looked fantastic and i thought the action, acting and story was quite good. I really think the soundtrack let it down...

I share your thoughts on the score, I may have liked the film more if it had a better score. It really hindered some of the action scenes. There were a few missed opportunities to blast the Bond theme in all its glory.

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The only real disappointment about the Film Score for SPECTRE was that there was not enough use of the James Bond Theme.........

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Unknown007 wrote:

The only real disappointment about the Film Score for SPECTRE was that there was not enough use of the James Bond Theme.........

Agreed 100%  The plane chase not even using it was criminal.

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BruceMurdock wrote:
Unknown007 wrote:

The only real disappointment about the Film Score for SPECTRE was that there was not enough use of the James Bond Theme.........

Agreed 100%  The plane chase not even using it was criminal.

as soon as Bond appears in the plane was the perfect moment to use it.

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I did not make this, but only found this on youtube.
Someone re-scored the train fight scene with John Barry Music from Thunderball. I must say. I really enjoyed it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQv1gxrXfxw

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Not to start an argument ajb007/wink  but I actually preferred the fight with
Just the sounds of fighting. ajb007/martini

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Not to start an argument either  ajb007/wink  but I actually preferred the fight with
Connery and Simmons.  ajb007/martini

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Thunderpussy wrote:

Not to start an argument ajb007/wink  but I actually preferred the fight with
Just the sounds of fighting. ajb007/martini

The Barry Score, how great it sounds, wouldn't have worked in the context in the movie I guess. That 'silence' makes it more hard hitting as all you hear is Craig getting the sh*t kicked out of him.

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Thunderpussy wrote:

Not to start an argument ajb007/wink  but I actually preferred the fight with
Just the sounds of fighting. ajb007/martini

I agree. That was the best scene in the film because Thomas Newman left much of it alone. But then Newman ruined the tension at the end with his trite action music.

But I also think the Thunderball music still worked very well with the scene. When Newman's music replaces it later the excitement is considerably diminished.

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Barbel wrote:

Not to start an argument either  ajb007/wink  but I actually preferred the fight with
Connery and Simmons.  ajb007/martini

That's the trouble with the world today. No-one takes the time to do a really brutal train fight scene. It's a lost art.  ajb007/martini

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True, sometimes the old ways are the best.  ajb007/bond

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I really enjoyed the Spectre  train fight, and thought nothing would come close
To that other little known bit of fisticuffs in FRWL ajb007/wink . It's always nice when you
See something great.
  Like with OHMSS, I thought nothing will ever come close to matching it .... Then
Out pops CR.  Same with the FRWL train fight, so brutal, like two animals fighting for
Survival, then after a long wait comes the Spectre train fight, another fantastic piece
Of choreography, less contained obviously but still very brutal and realistic. Infact
It's not often shown Bond has been beaten, with no ideas or energy reserves left.