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For those who want to look. The list of tracks can be seen at Amazon (US).

Spectre: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack
http://www.amazon.com/Spectre-Original- … l_1#disc_1

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So again no theme song on the album...only the instrumental version  ajb007/mad

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Moore Than wrote:

For those who want to look. The list of tracks can be seen at Amazon (US).

Spectre: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack
http://www.amazon.com/Spectre-Original- … l_1#disc_1

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I can't remember Severine's theme which shows how memorable I find his score

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'Backfire' hints at a possible action theme which appears twice. That's all Newman needs to do to raise it above his Skyfall score - provide themes and motifs that the audience can pick up on and weave them through the score to the dramatic advantage of the film.

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Here's the track "Backfire":

https://audioboom.com/boos/3693183-worl … mas-newman

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Ah, yes, disappointed that the composer is Thomas Newman, the guy with a dozen Oscar nominations, instead of David Arnold, the guy with precisely zero Oscar nominations.

Of course, Newman has never won an Oscar, so that makes him a big loooser.

In fact, a movie sounds the way the director wants it to sound. He tells the composer what he wants and it's the composer's job to satisfy the director. If the director's not satisfied, the composer goes back and re-works the score until the director is satisfied.

If you don't like the score to SF, the blame ultimately rests with Mendes. If he wanted something big and brassy, I have no doubt Newman could've given him that.

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I just finished listening to "Backfire" a second time and though it has a bit of the Bond theme, it's very generic action music and doesn't have a Bond sound. It also doesn't hold together as a piece of music. However, it uses a motif from Skyfall, which I appreciate. But the Bond theme on the bass clarinet at the end? James Bond is not a bass clarinet!

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I thought that sounded very good indeed, blended into Skyfall
near the end, but that's a bit of continuity, I guess.  ajb007/martini

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Gala Brand wrote:

Ah, yes, disappointed that the composer is Thomas Newman, the guy with a dozen Oscar nominations, instead of David Arnold, the guy with precisely zero Oscar nominations.

Of course, Newman has never won an Oscar, so that makes him a big loooser.

In fact, a movie sounds the way the director wants it to sound. He tells the composer what he wants and it's the composer's job to satisfy the director. If the director's not satisfied, the composer goes back and re-works the score until the director is satisfied.

If you don't like the score to SF, the blame ultimately rests with Mendes. If he wanted something big and brassy, I have no doubt Newman could've given him that.

Composers have their own styles, and not every composer can or will do the big, brassy score that Barry, Hamlisch, Conti and Arnold so often did. Mendes clearly has a lot of respect for Newman and because of that I don't think he is going to micromanage him. Have you every heard a big, brassy score from Newman in the style of Barry? Newman's Skyfall score is even quite a departure for him in sounds and has a much bigger sound than his scores usually have. This is Newman's way of doing big brass. Even though Newman's Bond sound is different than his usual sound, his composition style hasn't changed from what he normally does, and that's a internal thing you can't simply tell a composer to change. Composers are often not right for certain films, and first choice composers are often rejected. John Barry has had rejected scores, and he has replaced rejected scores. Mendes' loyalty to Thomas Newman trumps all, which is something I respect.

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Everybody might already know this, but Backfire in the trailer, is what the label is on the DB10, when he flips the switch and starts the flamethrower. So im guessing its part of the car chase.

It even has some recycled parts from Skyfall

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Matt S wrote:

Here's the track "Backfire":

https://audioboom.com/boos/3693183-worl … mas-newman

Impressed. Like the choral music in it. I think we're on to a winner with Thomas Newman. The OHMSS bit at the end is quite strident

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Sorry, still not struck.
As soon as the piece started I was immediately reminded of the Istanbul theme (not the instrumentation) from Skyfall. Seems the same in that regard. There are key pieces from the Skyfall Lodge themes in the last part, and I thought I caught one or two cues from the London chase as well? Its well orchestrated, but the composition strikes me as generic, and now somewhat unoriginal too. It's nice action music but it could be for Indiana Jones, Nolan's Batman, Bourne, or the MI films.

On the bright side, I didn't know John Suchet was a presenter on Classic FM! I'm very pleased about that.

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broadshoulder wrote:
Matt S wrote:

Here's the track "Backfire":

https://audioboom.com/boos/3693183-worl … mas-newman

Impressed. Like the choral music in it. I think we're on to a winner with Thomas Newman. The OHMSS bit at the end is quite strident

Can you point out where the OHMSS part is?

Choral is definitely not right for Bond!

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Matt S wrote:

Can you point out where the OHMSS part is?

Choral is definitely not right for Bond!

Yes, that's an example of the "bigger is better" concern I was referring to in my earlier post. The only place where that sort of thing works is literally in stellar scenes, such as in Moonraker, or more pertinently DAD. A choir was used for the Icarus weapon score.

Matt, while I remember thanks for posting the link.

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'Backfire' is obviously for the Rome car chase, so no doubt the choir will accompany shots of the Vatican.

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Gala Brand wrote:

Ah, yes, disappointed that the composer is Thomas Newman, the guy with a dozen Oscar nominations, instead of David Arnold, the guy with precisely zero Oscar nominations.

AKA the guy who got an Oscar nomination for a bland, characterless, anonymous Bond score, instead of John Barry who didn't get a single Oscar nomination for any of his amazing, classic, masterpiece Bond scores.

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Arnold's score is gritty bond, Newman's score is EPIC Bond. It makes you feel like Bond. I prefer Newman

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Thought it would be out this week - Nov 6th huh?

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So many themes from Skyfall when Silva was attacking the house.... Thought they would have kept it fresh and made something new

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Shatterfang wrote:

Arnold's score is gritty bond, Newman's score is EPIC Bond. It makes you feel like Bond. I prefer Newman

Whilst Newman's score is indeed epic, it's not epic Bond. It has a Bond feel on rare occasions. David Arnold's TND score, whilst it isn't as well developed as it could be, makes me feel like Bond because it sounds like Bond and has the Bond theme all over the place.

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Sounds very exciting to me; and the Bond cues put me right in the moment  ajb007/martini  If not the car chase, then perhaps the Mexico City action sequence?

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Matt S wrote:

Here's the track "Backfire":

https://audioboom.com/boos/3693183-worl … mas-newman

Just listened to the track. Beginning at 4:50, why did he recycle the score (She's Mine) from Skyfall? Sounds exactly the same.  ajb007/insane

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Vicsane007 wrote:
Matt S wrote:

Here's the track "Backfire":

https://audioboom.com/boos/3693183-worl … mas-newman

Just listened to the track. Beginning at 4:50, why did he recycle the score (She's Mine) from Skyfall? Sounds exactly the same.  ajb007/insane

It must be his Bond action theme, even though it's not a very memorable theme. Because it's all Bond, I don't have a problem with him reusing a cue so long as it makes sense. Hans Zimmer has no excuse when he reuses themes in unrelated films.

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broadshoulder wrote:
Matt S wrote:

Here's the track "Backfire":

https://audioboom.com/boos/3693183-worl … mas-newman

Impressed. Like the choral music in it. I think we're on to a winner with Thomas Newman. The OHMSS bit at the end is quite strident

Better than his Skyfall work and very much a pastiche of Transformers' Scorponok, with some Hans Zimmer influences:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDFns0LA7O0