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No. Just more balanced ajb007/wink  His opinion is valid, sure, but it's also a bit ridiculous, in my opinion...and the fact that he's written two subsequent articles on SP in which he explains and tries to justify it is somewhat telling. So in my opinion, SP should just make bank  ajb007/cool

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Loeffelholz wrote:

At least he doesn't condemn it for being a Bond film, which many Yank reviewers have  ajb007/insane

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I'm getting the impression that the only country where the majority of critics didn't like Spectre is the U.S., is that correct? The vast majority in the UK and Canada liked it, I know for sure. Haven't too much about the critical reception in Europe etc. Peculiar if that is in fact correct.

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I haven't read all of the reviews, certainly, but i checked in on quite a few from the U.K. and the U.S., and there does seem to be a more sizable like for the film there than here.  The gist from the critics is that they're upset it's a Bond film.  That is, the criticize the Bond formula.  In general, even the criticisms compliment the action and acting and even directing.  Many of the criticisms also focus on the writing, but what's interesting is that it's less about the dialogue and plotting and more about the execution, and there are the cliches about Bond being a holdover or that the films have too long of a running time.

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broadshoulder wrote:

In all fairness, Mr. Mendes stages a few supersonic chases on water, snow and in the empty streets of both Rome and New York where nothing moves, resulting in a “been there, seen that” effect. Rome without motorcycles and gas fumes, and Manhattan without jaywalkers and traffic jams should tell you something about how much Ian Fleming’s popular Bond stories have degenerated into little more than contrived, formulaic fairy tales

Stupid stupid man. Not as cosmopolitan as he thinks he is...

I don't recall 007 going to New York in Spectre  ajb007/rolleyes ...   Looks like the author removed that line about Manhattan from his review. At least he knows that he's a moron then...

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The Domino Effect wrote:

I'm getting the impression that the only country where the majority of critics didn't like Spectre is the U.S., is that correct? The vast majority in the UK and Canada liked it, I know for sure. Haven't too much about the critical reception in Europe etc. Peculiar if that is in fact correct.

We American love stupid movies with Seth Rogan.

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Assuming Mendelsohn is really a Bond fan, rooting for a bad box office after his negative review makes even more sense. Now he can say nobody liked the film, not just him and the weak box office proves it was bad.

On the other hand, a reviewer who doesn't like Bond isn't going to care about the box office at all. They'll just say, "No accounting for taste."

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Gala Brand wrote:

Assuming Mendelsohn is really a Bond fan, rooting for a bad box office after his negative review makes even more sense. Now he can say nobody liked the film, not just him and the weak box office proves it was bad.

On the other hand, a reviewer who doesn't like Bond isn't going to care about the box office at all. They'll just say, "No accounting for taste."

It's amazing that a film that is taking this much money can even be  remotely considered a potential failure. However if it just manages to cover total costs (inc marketing budget) it will be a major disappointment to the 'Money'. Going big budget, Big Bang was as I have said elsewhere was always risky as by comparison to Skyfall SP was likely to be a hostage to fourtune. It might have been a smarter move, and an even better movie to scale it down a bit, focus on a really tight script rather than relying on huge set pieces. As much as I like the film, there is nothing to compare to the genuine tension generated during the Casino scenes in CR which cost comparatively little to make.

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I agree CR is the better film, but given the " Almost hatred" some reviewers have
for it, and the "depressed"  mood of some fans over how much it's going to make.
  I'll put my head above the trenches and say, I'm very upbeat about Spectre and
Think it will make a bloody fortune.  ajb007/smile

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Spectre had a huge budget but the money isn't really up on the screen. Where did so much of the budget go?

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I read somewhere that the Rome car chase cost more then the entire budget of U.N.C.L.E.

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Yes I read it was very close something like  $60 mill for Spectre
Rome sequences and $75 mill for the man from uncle film.

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blame_thatcher wrote:

Spectre had a huge budget but the money isn't really up on the screen. Where did so much of the budget go?

I can see the money on the screen: four far-flung locations, the manpower and logistics to move such a huge production---lodging, food, insurance, transportation---doing practical stunts on location, waiting days for the right weather in Austria, burning thousands of dollars a minute...production shut down for 2 weeks while Craig has surgery on his knee, while rented equipment sits idle...it really is right there on the screen.

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US weekend estimates are in. $35.4 million, above previous estimates. Drops of only 42% and 37% on Saturday and Sunday from previous weekend.  Looks like SP may have strong legs.

Haven't seen the international numbers yet.

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Okay, looks like global cume to date is around $550 million.

That's gotta be pretty close to SF territory.

http://deadline.com/2015/11/spectre-chi … 201624239/

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Gala Brand wrote:

US weekend estimates are in. $35.4 million, above previous estimates. Drops of only 42% and 37% on Saturday and Sunday from previous weekend.  Looks like SP may have strong legs.

Haven't seen the international numbers yet.

It's raking the cash in abroad, from what I've heard; a $50+ million opening in China. SP isn't going to fail or lose money. It's good that it will have a couple of solid weeks before Mockingjay 2 swoops in and takes the #1 slot.

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I think ever since the Sony leaks, much of the internet media and to a lesser extent the print media (who seem to rehash a lot of internet garbage these days) have tried to exploit the negativity of those leaks and ride SPECTRE to a path of failure. Film critics (or the quasi-critics who frequent the net today) also seem to follow that pattern. Any reports of a film being overbudget, a "troubled shoot" etc will put a film in their crosshairs for a bad review. Bond films, which have the well earned reputation of being "critic proof" probably raise the ire of many of these critics even more. Personally, if I really want to see a film, I don't let what the critics think influence my decision to see it or not....if that was the case, I would have probably missed some films I ended up enjoying. If something turns out to be less than satisfactory, that's life.

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Just a thought but how much of an impact does the theme song have regarding promotion etc

Adele obviously critically acclaimed everywhere, Sam Smith not so (does he even exist in the US). 

The song personally was the first (and only) negative thing about the films release for me

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I guess another plus is that there is no leak of the movie yet as far as im aware which helps especially markets such as China

I remember Skyfall had a dodgy copy leaked onto torrents very quickly after the films release

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Thunderpussy wrote:

I agree CR is the better film, but given the " Almost hatred" some reviewers have
for it, and the "depressed"  mood of some fans over how much it's going to make.
  I'll put my head above the trenches and say, I'm very upbeat about Spectre and
Think it will make a bloody fortune.  ajb007/smile

I also hope it does well as it secures the future. There could be benefits in a slightly lower take and reduced profit as it would reduce the pressure and the budget next time out. So much has been expected of SP both from critics following Skyfall and in terms of commercial success. Whatever happens now it is far from a financial disaster, the worst that could happen is it disappoints as a cash Cow. No reason at all to be depressed in my book, in fact all the more reason to be optimistic for the next one.

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HowardB wrote:

I think ever since the Sony leaks, much of the internet media and to a lesser extent the print media (who seem to rehash a lot of internet garbage these days) have tried to exploit the negativity of those leaks and ride SPECTRE to a path of failure. Film critics (or the quasi-critics who frequent the net today) also seem to follow that pattern. Any reports of a film being overbudget, a "troubled shoot" etc will put a film in their crosshairs for a bad review. Bond films, which have the well earned reputation of being "critic proof" probably raise the ire of many of these critics even more. Personally, if I really want to see a film, I don't let what the critics think influence my decision to see it or not....if that was the case, I would have probably missed some films I ended up enjoying. If something turns out to be less than satisfactory, that's life.

Yes  ajb007/martini  Critics trash Bond, film audiences disregard critics, Bond films make money, the earth revolves around the sun...it's the circle of life.

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Loeffelholz wrote:

I can see the money on the screen: four far-flung locations, the manpower and logistics to move such a huge production---lodging, food, insurance, transportation---doing practical stunts on location, waiting days for the right weather in Austria, burning thousands of dollars a minute...production shut down for 2 weeks while Craig has surgery on his knee, while rented equipment sits idle...it really is right there on the screen.

The problem is that the cost of moving crews to these locations and the accommodation and all of that stuff is money that does not appear on screen. I must reiterate that while Spectre looks expensive, it does not look like one of the most expensive films ever produced despite that massive budget. The car chase, for example, amounts to little more than two vehicles driving through mostly deserted streets at not particularly great speed.

Production did shut down for a brief period after Craig's injury, but it certainly wasn't for two weeks. It was one week at most. There was only about half a day lost in Austria to my recollection.

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blame_thatcher wrote:
Loeffelholz wrote:

I can see the money on the screen: four far-flung locations, the manpower and logistics to move such a huge production---lodging, food, insurance, transportation---doing practical stunts on location, waiting days for the right weather in Austria, burning thousands of dollars a minute...production shut down for 2 weeks while Craig has surgery on his knee, while rented equipment sits idle...it really is right there on the screen.

The problem is that the cost of moving crews to these locations and the accommodation and all of that stuff is money that does not appear on screen. I must reiterate that while Spectre looks expensive, it does not look like one of the most expensive films ever produced despite that massive budget. The car chase, for example, amounts to little more than two vehicles driving through mostly deserted streets at not particularly great speed.

Production did shut down for a brief period after Craig's injury, but it certainly wasn't for two weeks. It was one week at most. There was only about half a day lost in Austria to my recollection.

Just going by what was said by the principals in interviews, re: the shutdown. My layman's eyes can see the money, at any rate---the locations and action shot there is prima facie evidence of the money being onscreen, IMO.

Interesting about Austria; leads me to think that they were fine with the overcast conditions, if they didn't wait more than half a day for it to clear! I really like the way that location looks.

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I kinda wish we saw more action in the snow a little - I guess DC can't ski!  ajb007/biggrin

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Scott 'Worst Bond Film in 30 Years' Mendelson of Forbes magazine can't stop talking about SPECTRE, now that it seems to have better legs than anticipated:

"Why is it doing so well despite comparatively half-hearted reviews and buzz?  Well, the James Bond films tend to play to those who like James Bond movies. That may sound like an obvious statement, but even the bad reviews (such as mine) pointed out that the film still contained many of the things that fans liked about the franchise, specifically the violence, the various attractive sexual conquests, the gadgets, and the globetrotting locations. So for many casual fans of the franchise, or maybe just old-school action junkies, Spectre is absolutely worth their 2.5 hours."

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