Skyfall "Most over-rated film of all time"

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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,854Quartermasters
    Well that one man was BOND ! :))
    You do have a point, but I'd say apart from us Bond nerds. The average audience just wants
    a good night out. So for me SF, ticks all the boxes, action humour and even some emotional
    content -{ ( I had to pretend I had an eyelash, in my eye on the death of M) ;)
    As always all opinions are valid, But I'm really excited by what I'm reading about Bond24.
    so at the moment I'm very happy, even down to the fact that only a few months ago in the Bond
    Book of the Month I suggested Bond's old Ski instructor could be used as a great Personal
    element in a future story, I'm glad EON are still listening to Me ! ( Or does that sound big Headed ? ) :))

    Don't get me started - I was lobbying for the death of Dench's M years before SF's release. I'll happily take credit for that one B-)
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  • Dracos_OculistDracos_Oculist Posts: 24MI6 Agent
    I've not posted much here, but having watched Skyfall again on ITV over Christmas find that my initial disappointment with Skyfall has only solidified since. One of my major gripes is the watering down of the realism of the film since Casino Royale, specifically:

    - The plot revolves around a stolen list of intelligence agents. Not just British agents, but NATO agents. Firstly, why would such a list exist? Clearly this is not something to list. But most of all, why NATO agents??? Why on earth would NATO states provide SIS with a names of their agents? As these states intelligence agencies have an inbred fear of sharing secrets, its a completely over the top plot strand which could have been more realistic by merely going with a list of British agents instead.

    - Secondly, the government inquiry into the activities of the SIS involving the questioning of its head. Why on earth is this held in public with journalists present??? Fair enough that such an inquiry can happen, but why the unrealistic inclusion of a public audience in a discussion of highly classified matters??? Needless I think.

    - Why on earth was an agent of South American origin operating in Hong Kong of all places? Wouldn't his intimate knowledge of that region and its languages been more logically utilised in the continent of his birth?

    I could go on and mention the weak overall dastardly plot of the master villain. I also overlook the "comedy" inclusion of the Aston's Goldfinger headlight armament (didn't Q say they don't do that anymore?). Personally, I also thought the final lines of Daniel Craig in the film "with pleasure M...with pleasure" also stunk like over ripe camembert. The root of all these points are the weak scriptwriting despite the thrilling action and stunning look of the film.

    Just my thoughts.
  • David SchofieldDavid Schofield EnglandPosts: 1,528MI6 Agent
    . Personally, I also thought the final lines of Daniel Craig in the film "with pleasure M...with pleasure" also stunk like over ripe camembert. The root of all these points are the weak scriptwriting despite the thrilling action and stunning look of the film.

    Just my thoughts.

    I'd also add the final line - "I never left" - from QOS to this litany.

    Equally as crapply trite as anything Brozza had to say.

    Hope Craig insisted on a bonus payment for saying both.
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 25,265Chief of Staff
    Loved both the lines you two hate...I felt excited at the first and 'concluded' with the latter :))

    As for the list of NATO agents...well, Mallory does say this list shouldn't exist - so somebody either over-stepped their mark or made the list purposely for Patrice to steal...plus it could have been agents on a joint NATO task force, where intelligence was/is shared...not watertight, but good enough for me...
    YNWA 96
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,043MI6 Agent
    Sir Miles wrote:
    Loved both the lines you two hate...I felt excited at the first and 'concluded' with the latter :))
    Me too. I don't know what they're on about. The first was a great end to a questionable flick and the latter was a PERFECT end to a flawed but AWESOME flick.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool. Craig is too.
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  • deliciousdelicious SydneyPosts: 371MI6 Agent
    AdamOmega wrote:
    SilentSpy wrote:
    I would say Skyfall is the most overrated Bond film. I don't know about all time. Too many people think Skyfall and Daniel Craig's Bond in particular is the best. I think it's just a newer is better thing going on. It always happens with the larger audience.

    IMO Skyfall is largely catered to audiences still reeling in the aftermath of The Dark Knight. It's new, slick, grounded, and certainly "well-made", but is it better? Beneath all the gloss, I think Skyfall is an intellectually dishonest film and Bond films should stick to being popcorn escapism. But that's just me.

    It's not just you - it's me as well. Well said.
  • deliciousdelicious SydneyPosts: 371MI6 Agent
    stag wrote:
    Hello All. My first post so I may as well kick the door in.

    Skyfall was, as they say in China, Clap. The worst Bond movie to date, overhyped, oversold & over here. The only decent film DC has featured in thus far is Casino Royale.

    I'll write on the report card 2/10 must do better.

    Agreed.
  • BIG TAMBIG TAM Wrexham, North Wales, UK.Posts: 768MI6 Agent
    I was more bothered about ITV's cutting of SKYFALL. Is a shot of Bond slicing some bits of shrapnel from his chest really going to get people running off to OFCOM in complaint?

    And don't get me started on the abomination that was ITV2's presentation of TOMORROW NEVER DIES...
  • The Living DaylightsThe Living Daylights Solving a murder mystery.Posts: 37MI6 Agent
    Skyfall is definitely not over-rated. It's my second favourite Bond film. I absolutely loved it from start 'till finish.
    Favourite Bonds: TIMOTHY DALTON and DANIEL CRAIG
    Favourite Bond films: QUANTUM OF SOLACE, SKYFALL and THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS
  • James SuzukiJames Suzuki New ZealandPosts: 2,387MI6 Agent
    Skyfall is definitely not over-rated. It's my second favourite Bond film. I absolutely loved it from start 'till finish.
    It's the Best Bond film since Goldeneye.
    It's in my top five list for pure entertainment level.
    “The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. "
    -Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,147MI6 Agent
    I've not posted much here, but having watched Skyfall again on ITV over Christmas find that my initial disappointment with Skyfall has only solidified since. One of my major gripes is the watering down of the realism of the film since Casino Royale, specifically:

    - The plot revolves around a stolen list of intelligence agents. Not just British agents, but NATO agents. Firstly, why would such a list exist? WHY NOT? HOW ELSE WOULD YOU KNOW WHO IS ON YOUR SIDE? Clearly this is not something to list. But most of all, why NATO agents??? SEE LAST ANSWER/ LAST I CHECKED, NATO WAS A COOPERATIVE ENTERPRISE. ALTERNATIVELY, MI6 MAY HAVE FIGURED OUT WHO THE AGENTS WERE BY SPYING ON THE AMERICANS, GERMANS, ITALIANS, ETC. Why on earth would NATO states provide SIS with a names of their agents? SEE LAST ANSWER. As these states intelligence agencies have an inbred fear of sharing secrets, its a completely over the top plot strand which could have been more realistic by merely going with a list of British agents instead.

    - Secondly, the government inquiry into the activities of the SIS involving the questioning of its head. Why on earth is this held in public with journalists present??? I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S DONE IN BRITAIN, BUT IN THE US WHEN CONGRESS HAS A HEARING REGARDING NATIONAL SECURITY, THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT'S NOT PUBLIC. AREN'T THERE ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS IN THE UK AFTER A TERRORIST ATTACK FOR EXAMPLE? Fair enough that such an inquiry can happen, but why the unrealistic inclusion of a public audience in a discussion of highly classified matters??? THE PUBLIC ALREADY KNOWS ABOUT THE LIST AND THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE TOP SECRET DISCUSSED. SINCE THE LIST WAS A PUBLIC MATTER, THE PUBLIC DESERVED SOME ANSWERS. Needless I think.

    - Why on earth was an agent of South American origin operating in Hong Kong of all places? Wouldn't his intimate knowledge of that region and its languages been more logically utilised in the continent of his birth? MAYBE HE SPEAKS FLUENT MANDARIN OR CANTONESE. OR BOTH.

    I could go on and mention the weak overall dastardly plot of the master villain. I also overlook the "comedy" inclusion of the Aston's Goldfinger headlight armament (didn't Q say they don't do that anymore?). THEY DON'T. THE DB5 WAS TAKEN OUT OF STORAGE BY BOND. IT'S ALL PART OF THE OLD V. NEW THEME. Personally, I also thought the final lines of Daniel Craig in the film "with pleasure M...with pleasure" also stunk like over ripe camembert. The root of all these points are the weak scriptwriting despite the thrilling action and stunning look of the film.

    Just my thoughts.

    My experience has been that most people who complain about plot holes in Skyfall obviously weren't paying attention.
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