Another Skyfall Mistake.

So, I was watching Skyfall again today, and I noticed yet another mistake/flaw. When Patrice and Bond were fighting on the train, MI6 had most likely assumed that Patrice had the list. So if Moneypenny hadn't missed the shot, wouldn't that mean Patrice would fall into the stream and they wouldn't get the list back?

Thoughts?
Don't mess with Patrice, Chief.
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  • always shakenalways shaken LondonPosts: 6,287MI6 Agent
    Patrice wrote:
    So, I was watching Skyfall again today, and I noticed yet another mistake/flaw. When Patrice and Bond were fighting on the train, MI6 had most likely assumed that Patrice had the list. So if Moneypenny hadn't missed the shot, wouldn't that mean Patrice would fall into the stream and they wouldn't get the list back?

    Thoughts?

    that's détente commrade I don't have it, you don't have it :D
    By the way, did I tell you, I was "Mad"?
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 25,408Chief of Staff
    You can always search for a body...it would have washed up somewhere, just as Bond did...then again Bond would have held on to him and stopped him falling off...so, for me, no flaw there at all -{
    YNWA 97
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,697MI6 Agent
    I think as with most Action/adventure movies, you have to go
    Into it ready to suspend your belief. :)) for me I can't believe
    Governments hold information on disc, and many times
    Don't even encrypt it 8-) or have a default system to wipe
    The memory.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,011MI6 Agent
    Easier to find a dead body than a live one that can run and hide and personally take the drive to the main bad guy. A dead body tends not to do that. It's not a mistake, what else can they have done except solely rely on Bond (actually the best option in fictional Bond land, but would ruin the story subtext).

    Besides Patrice was only holding it in his hand at the time, so better it be lost in the bottom of a river than in the hands of bad folks.

    Do you think they should have beamed him to the Enterprise and then direct to an MI6 holding cell?

    Seriously these 'Another Skyfall Mistake' threads keep on getting dumber and dumber and show no mistake at all.
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  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,159MI6 Agent
    Well, if you want to nit-pick, the smartest thing for Bond to have done was simply knock it out of Patrice's hand when they were on top of the train.
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,011MI6 Agent
    Gala Brand wrote:
    Well, if you want to nit-pick, the smartest thing for Bond to have done was simply knock it out of Patrice's hand when they were on top of the train.

    He could do that every time someone close points a gun at him or tries to stab him with a knife too. That would save him from even getting shot at and potentially cut.

    Seriously though, he did get it from around Patrice's neck and had a hold of the lanyard it was attached too. If he hadn't have been shot he possibly would have done just that.
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  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,159MI6 Agent
    Asp9mm wrote:
    Gala Brand wrote:
    Well, if you want to nit-pick, the smartest thing for Bond to have done was simply knock it out of Patrice's hand when they were on top of the train.

    He could do that every time someone close points a gun at him or tries to stab him with a knife too. That would save him from even getting shot at and potentially cut.

    Seriously though, he did get it from around Patrice's neck and had a hold of the lanyard it was attached too. If he hadn't have been shot he possibly would have done just that.

    I'm not going to second-guess Bond's decision making because it's been ages since I grappled with an international assassin on the top of a moving train going through a tunnel.
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 7,735MI6 Agent
    Gala Brand wrote:
    Asp9mm wrote:
    Gala Brand wrote:
    Well, if you want to nit-pick, the smartest thing for Bond to have done was simply knock it out of Patrice's hand when they were on top of the train.

    He could do that every time someone close points a gun at him or tries to stab him with a knife too. That would save him from even getting shot at and potentially cut.

    Seriously though, he did get it from around Patrice's neck and had a hold of the lanyard it was attached too. If he hadn't have been shot he possibly would have done just that.

    I'm not going to second-guess Bond's decision making because it's been ages since I grappled with an international assassin on the top of a moving train going through a tunnel.

    What, it must have been at least 1983 since you have! :p
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • always shakenalways shaken LondonPosts: 6,287MI6 Agent
    I suppose we could all go on for ever and nit pick every Bond film :) but film is the operative word
    they are not factual documentaries ,and as ASP9MM says these mistakes go on and on, BUT, and its a big but, we are all entitled to our observational opinion, for open forum discussion,and if someone has an opinion on what they think they have seen,then hopefully the more knowledable of us in our specific field of expertise can set our fellow enquisitors on the
    right path, :D
    By the way, did I tell you, I was "Mad"?
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,697MI6 Agent
    I always try and use the expertise of others. I used to do all my
    Train top fighting in full evening gown and stiletto heels ! Imagine
    My embarrassment, on leading that most others do it in sensible
    Shoes ;% , so it's now flats and A line skirts for me ! :)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • superdaddysuperdaddy englandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
    I always try and use the expertise of others. I used to do all my
    Train top fighting in full evening gown and stiletto heels ! Imagine
    My embarrassment, on leading that most others do it in sensible
    Shoes ;% , so it's now flats and A line skirts for me ! :)
    so that was you on the 8.45 Bristol to Paddington :)) :))
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,697MI6 Agent
    You can always tell, when you hear passengers say .......
    " Who was that fat Bast*rd!" :))
    You know I've been doing my thing. ;)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,011MI6 Agent
    I suppose we could all go on for ever and nit pick every Bond film :) but film is the operative word
    they are not factual documentaries ,and as ASP9MM says these mistakes go on and on, BUT, and its a big but, we are all entitled to our observational opinion, for open forum discussion,and if someone has an opinion on what they think they have seen,then hopefully the more knowledable of us in our specific field of expertise can set our fellow enquisitors on the
    right path, :D

    Indeedy, folks are entitled to opinions, but what we are seeing here is something that has been happening to too many film viewers for the last twenty years or so. Films have been dumbed down so much now and for so long that when you get a film that makes you think or you have to fill in the gaps using your own initiative, loads of people are utterly lost and confused. People expect the dumb assistant or love interest that tags along to ask what's happening so that the main character can then explain to them, and therefore the audience too, just what is happening. Brosnans films are peppered with this, and when Casino Royale came along, people were confused when they had to think for themselves.

    Skyfall is the same. And a good example is with the people asking the really daft question of why MI6 didn't bother to get the hard drive back and it's an obvious plot goof because it's forgotten about. Just because we don't have a blatant scene showing how MI6 took over the island and obtained everything on it, including the hard drive and all relevant material connected to it (despite the big computer room being shown for a good ten minutes, and Silva's personal computer in Q's hands), they can't seem to be able to work it out for themselves that it was pretty obviously recovered and is now a moot point.

    Dumbed down cinema and programming. It really drives me nuts.
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  • Thunderbird 2Thunderbird 2 East of Cardiff, Wales.Posts: 2,726MI6 Agent
    Asp9mm wrote:
    Besides Patrice was only holding it in his hand at the time, so better it be lost in the bottom of a river than in the hands of bad folks.

    Do you think they should have beamed him to the Enterprise and then direct to an MI6 holding cell?

    Seriously these 'Another Skyfall Mistake' threads keep on getting dumber and dumber and show no mistake at all.

    No no no! With a skilled transporter operator, you can beam him directly to the brig, then you don't need to waste time beaming him to a holding cell! :D

    I agree with Richard Dean Anderson, best known for his roles McGyver and O'Neill in Stargate SG1. In both cases he ended up as Co Executive producer of the shows..

    'An ongoing battle I have had from day one working in the tv industry is this idea that of dumbing things down for the viewer. If only I had been in the position to say "You're Fired!" the first time I heard someone say that. How dare anyone even consider taking an intelligent idea and tearing away the wit in order to make it easier for people to understand? That's an insult to me as an actor, and certainly to the audience.'

    I agree 100%!
    This is Thunderbird 2, how can I be of assistance?
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,697MI6 Agent
    I'm sorry I didn't understand that. :))

    On TV for many years the highest rated comedy was Frasier -{
    In no way was this well written, educated and witty series dumbed down.
    Proving the audience wants" Quality " and even though many " Executives "
    Might think we " plebs" are too stupid to understand the many subtle nuances
    And themes that run through many good stories.
    Surprisingly given the chance, most of us can !
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 25,408Chief of Staff
    Asp9mm wrote:
    Dumbed down cinema and programming. It really drives me nuts.

    Amen to that, brother -{
    YNWA 97
  • Virgil37Virgil37 Posts: 1,200MI6 Agent
    Patrice wrote:
    So, I was watching Skyfall again today, and I noticed yet another mistake/flaw. When Patrice and Bond were fighting on the train, MI6 had most likely assumed that Patrice had the list. So if Moneypenny hadn't missed the shot, wouldn't that mean Patrice would fall into the stream and they wouldn't get the list back?

    Thoughts?

    No mistake. Things would have been much easier if Eve hadn't missed. No wonder Bond tortures Eve for the rest of her life with sexual innuendo.
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,011MI6 Agent
    I'm sorry I didn't understand that. :))

    On TV for many years the highest rated comedy was Frasier -{
    In no way was this well written, educated and witty series dumbed down.
    Proving the audience wants" Quality " and even though many " Executives "
    Might think we " plebs" are too stupid to understand the many subtle nuances
    And themes that run through many good stories.
    Surprisingly given the chance, most of us can !

    I agree, not everything is dumbed down. But the audience demographic for Frasier is very different from a 'cinema blockbuster'. If you look at the majority of comedy programmes around now, Frasier is quite unique.
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  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,612MI6 Agent
    Sir Miles wrote:
    Asp9mm wrote:
    Dumbed down cinema and programming. It really drives me nuts.

    Amen to that, brother -{

    Here here!
    "Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,697MI6 Agent
    I don't know if this counts as duming down, but many things I was taught
    As a kid, many younger people don't seem to know. Some examples

    In a shop recently the assistant said she would need her calculator to work
    Out the vat. I told her the vat would be( as I'd worked it out in my head)
    She looked at me as if I was Stephen Hawkin :D
    ( 10% + 5% + 2.5% = 17.5%, it's very easy, even for Me ) :))

    During a recent thunder storm, I was able to tell a few younger friends that the storm
    Was 10 miles away, then that it was about 7.5 miles etc.None of them knew about counting seconds, sound travels at around 2.5 seconds a mile. So you can roughly work out
    How far away it is and its direction. :))

    Now it's not that I'm smart ( I think I've proven, I'm not over my many posts) but this
    Is all basic stuff I remember from school outings and field trips. :))
    Then again with our crazy health and safety laws, perhaps kids don't get the
    Opportunities we older one's did for getting outside. :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,159MI6 Agent
    Sir Miles wrote:
    Asp9mm wrote:
    Dumbed down cinema and programming. It really drives me nuts.

    Amen to that, brother -{


    It's the writer's job to write a script that will appeal to many different types of audiences with different levels of knowledge and the director's job to shoot the film in such a way that it appeals to different audiences with different levels of knowledge. A director might shoot a scene with shadows across a character's face that resemble prison bars to demonstrate, symbolically, that a character is trapped psychologically. The cineophiles will appreciate it and it will go over the head of most viewers, but the scene should still be interesting to all levels of viewers even if they don't dig the mise en scene.
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,939MI6 Agent
    John Logan is a lazy screenwriter who basically recycles cliches for big budget extravaganzas. Skyfall is no different. It takes quite a few things we've seen before -- a villain whose ingenious plan is five steps ahead of everyone (The Dark Knight), a hunt for a list of secret agents (Mission Impossible), a showdown in a creaky old manor house (Straw Dogs) -- and forces them into a James Bond film plot. I was unimpressed at the beginning of Skyfall when it appeared Bond was trying to capture the bad guy rather than just kill him outright. Later, when I found out the so-called computer whiz Silva for some reason had to hire an assassin to steal a hard drive he could have just hacked into, I realized how weak the whole set up was.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,055MI6 Agent
    Gassy Man wrote:
    had to hire an assassin to steal a hard drive he could have just hacked into
    It was to set all the stuff into play- the shooting of Bond, his fake demise, his resurrection and all that. Silva was gifted.
    And probably a mutant.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,939MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Gassy Man wrote:
    had to hire an assassin to steal a hard drive he could have just hacked into
    It was to set all the stuff into play- the shooting of Bond, his fake demise, his resurrection and all that. Silva was gifted.
    And probably a mutant.
    Of course, but it's still lazy screenwriting because it doesn't make much sense. It would have made more sense if rather than steal a piece of hardware, Patrice simply had knowledge in his head. Then they couldn't just go and kill him outright. But that's what I mean about Logan being underwhelming.

    My favorite bit is when Bond is right next to Patrice in the SUV, and rather than take a shot, he banters with Moneypenny and then for some reason just steers the Range Rover into the other car to knock it off the road. For an assassin, Bond doesn't seem all that interested in killing Patrice. That certainly would have been the easiest way to stop him and, if necessary, recover the hard drive.

    But, then, we're supposed to believe that Silva is so doggone clever, that he is able to set into motion his evil plan exactly because Patrice is able to escape from Bond. Oh, wait, he could have accomplished the same thing by just hacking into the hard drive . . . which apparently was more beyond his means than getting into MI:6's network.
  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,159MI6 Agent
    Gassy Man wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Gassy Man wrote:
    had to hire an assassin to steal a hard drive he could have just hacked into
    It was to set all the stuff into play- the shooting of Bond, his fake demise, his resurrection and all that. Silva was gifted.
    And probably a mutant.
    Of course, but it's still lazy screenwriting because it doesn't make much sense. It would have made more sense if rather than steal a piece of hardware, Patrice simply had knowledge in his head. Then they couldn't just go and kill him outright. But that's what I mean about Logan being underwhelming.

    My favorite bit is when Bond is right next to Patrice in the SUV, and rather than take a shot, he banters with Moneypenny and then for some reason just steers the Range Rover into the other car to knock it off the road. 1. For an assassin, Bond doesn't seem all that interested in killing Patrice. That certainly would have been the easiest way to stop him and, if necessary, recover the hard drive.

    But, then, we're supposed to believe that Silva is so doggone clever, that he is able to set into motion his evil plan exactly because Patrice is able to escape from Bond. 2. Oh, wait, he could have accomplished the same thing by just hacking into the hard drive . . . which apparently was more beyond his means than getting into MI:6's network.


    1. Ordinarliy it's better to capture bad guys than kill them because then you can question them, which is much more difficult to do when they're dead.

    2. Silva wasn't able to hack into MI:6's network until after Q downloaded the hard drive.
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,011MI6 Agent
    You also can't hack into a laptop that isn't connected to anything.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,055MI6 Agent
    Asp9mm wrote:
    You also can't hack into a laptop that isn't connected to anything.
    Don't be so sure.... :v
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,011MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Asp9mm wrote:
    You also can't hack into a laptop that isn't connected to anything.
    Don't be so sure.... :v

    I knew it was you :o
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,055MI6 Agent
    You can hack CARS now, for gosh sake. A device of any kind need only be powered up, and there are excptions there too...
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,697MI6 Agent
    Just store you photos and bank details with Apple, it will
    Soon get out ! :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
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