Pros and Cons: The Man with the Golden Gun

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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    I found and still find him hilarious!

    The character was repeated in various Cannonball, Smokey and the Bandit movies and in the Dukes of Hazzard TV series!
    This kind of stuff was very popular back then
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    Just to add that I find TMWTGG probably the most underrated Bond movie. With all the silliness Moore played Bond pretty tough in parts.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I think Bondage007 was looking for some one from the 1970s not
    1870s Higgins :)) but yes silly cops seemed to be all the rage than.
    I especially loved Jackie Gleason in the Smokie and the Bandit films. :))

    Sadly TMWTGG has some " Slap your forehead" moments, the escape
    From the karate school, where they leave Bond behind 8-)
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    I think Bondage007 was looking for some one from the 1970s not
    1870s Higgins

    :v :v :v
    A british gentleman does not reply to those silly remarks
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I never knew you were British Higgins, how lucky you are
    To be part of the greatest nation on the planet ! That's why
    People put Great in front of it. ;) :))
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    Just to add that I find TMWTGG probably the most underrated Bond movie. With all the silliness Moore played Bond pretty tough in parts.

    Indeed Moore played Bond tough. Some people complain that he was too tough in TMWTGG and it didn't suit his Bond, whilst others say overall that Moore was never tough enough. But he's great as a tough Bond for me.
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  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,292MI6 Agent
    I thought Moore was great in the film.

    I rewatched it yesterday, very enjoyable and its mainly a sum of very minor quibbles that it could have done with out

    1) Theme Tune (ok not minor but the films biggest problem - I detest it)
    2) Pepper (see below)
    3) Slide whistle (I think this maybe adds to the Pepper dislike as I associate it with him)
    4) Scaramamanga "fun house" set - looks very simple / dated hence the finale an anticlimax
    5) Karate girls a bit cheesy but accept the times and only minor quibble for me
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    I never knew you were British Higgins, how lucky you are
    To be part of the greatest nation on the planet ! That's why
    People put Great in front of it. ;) :))

    Zeuss, Apollo - kill!
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Thinking more on this, I realize why I've taken so long to have this film inside my top ten- it goes back to 1974... roughly a year since Enter The Dragon came out. ETD set the standard for martial arts in films, and my perception that the martial arts in TMWTGG was sorely lacking coloured THE WHOLE film for me. In essence, it was a lame martial arts film. But it's one of my favourite BOND movies.
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,988Quartermasters
    chrisisall wrote:
    Thinking more on this, I realize why I've taken so long to have this film inside my top ten- it goes back to 1974... roughly a year since Enter The Dragon came out. ETD set the standard for martial arts in films, and my perception that the martial arts in TMWTGG was sorely lacking coloured THE WHOLE film for me. In essence, it was a lame martial arts film. But it's one of my favourite BOND movies.

    Agreed. It is probably my favourite Moore Bond. I even enjoyed the theme song! :))
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Thinking more on this, I realize why I've taken so long to have this film inside my top ten- it goes back to 1974... roughly a year since Enter The Dragon came out. ETD set the standard for martial arts in films, and my perception that the martial arts in TMWTGG was sorely lacking coloured THE WHOLE film for me. In essence, it was a lame martial arts film. But it's one of my favourite BOND movies.

    Agreed. It is probably my favourite Moore Bond. I even enjoyed the theme song! :))
    I like both the song AND the score. Apart from the slide whistle I got no gripes with it. And I can mute that for a second.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Question: Am I crazy for liking TMWTGG a tiny bit better than TB? ?:)
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Not for that reason alone ! .... we've all noticed..... other signs ! :))
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Not for that reason alone ! .... we've all noticed..... other signs ! :))
    crazy2.jpg

    Like this?
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  • Bondage007Bondage007 AustraliaPosts: 371MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Question: Am I crazy for liking TMWTGG a tiny bit better than TB? ?:)

    17. TMWTGG
    19. TB

    It comes down to: I would rather sit through TMWTGG than TB. TB has more moments/dialogue I love but the pacing is too slow.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Bondage007 wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Question: Am I crazy for liking TMWTGG a tiny bit better than TB? ?:)

    17. TMWTGG
    19. TB

    It comes down to: I would rather sit through TMWTGG than TB. TB has more moments/dialogue I love but the pacing is too slow.
    Thank you! {[]
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  • blame_thatcherblame_thatcher Posts: 199MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Question: Am I crazy for liking TMWTGG a tiny bit better than TB? ?:)
    No, because TMWTGG isn't bloated and often boring.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Question: Am I crazy for liking TMWTGG a tiny bit better than TB? ?:)
    No, because TMWTGG isn't bloated and often boring.
    Basically, whatever negatives TMWTGG has, it's never boring IMO. :D
    But I DO love TB... I just have to be in the mood for epic slowness in my epic Bond. -{
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  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Question: Am I crazy for liking TMWTGG a tiny bit better than TB? ?:)
    No, because TMWTGG isn't bloated and often boring.
    Basically, whatever negatives TMWTGG has, it's never boring IMO. :D
    But I DO love TB... I just have to be in the mood for epic slowness in my epic Bond. -{

    I think what Thatcher was trying to say was TMWTGG is not bloated OR boring.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Firemass wrote:
    I think what Thatcher was trying to say was TMWTGG is not bloated OR boring.
    Yep! {[]
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Nothing wrong with being Bloated and Boring, it's most
    of my act. ;) :D
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Nothing wrong with being Bloated and Boring, it's most
    of my act. ;) :D
    And we just adore it!
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Thanks Chris, I haven't changed it in over forty years. ;)
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Thanks Chris, I haven't changed it in over forty years. ;)
    You must have worked it up before conception... ;)
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    ... It was immaculate. ;)
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    ... It was immaculate. ;)
    Like Andrea's kill.... was Scaramanga a god for Bond to destroy? ?:)
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  • blame_thatcherblame_thatcher Posts: 199MI6 Agent
    Pros:
    Moore's effortless charm and charisma.
    Lots of great dialogue.
    Bottoms Up
    Jealous husbands! Outraged chefs! Humiliated tailors!
    Chew Mee
    Some great sets (if not quite Ken Adam standard).
    Christopher Lee & Herve Villechaize

    Cons:
    Title song.
    The two girls don't do anything for me.
    Hip is not very hip.
    Return of J.W.Pepper.
  • IcePakIcePak Perth, Western AustraliaPosts: 170MI6 Agent
    Pros:

    John Barry's score
    The action cue might be a bit quirky but the love cue is very atmospheric and the rest of the score is suitably sinister. Pretty awesome for two weeks work!

    Moore as 007
    - Moore puts in a great performance as a darker Bond, even showing moments of fear when he thinks he's going to be killed. He humanises the character here, unlike some of his other films. And he manages to do this with his famous wit and charisma.

    Original story
    - Instead of the usual "take over the world" scenario, we have Bond facing off against his equal. Wonderful. And, for a change, it's better than the book.

    Christopher Lee as Scaramanga
    - A great performance that creates just the right amount of menace.

    Herve Villechaize as Nick Nack
    - He has the right amount of cuteness and menace. A truly unique henchman.

    Scaramanaga's Island
    - Scaramanga's island (now the infamous James Bond island) is beautiful to behold.

    Acts 1 and 3
    - While the second act is goofy in places, the first and third remain dark, taut pieces of storytelling.

    Goodnight
    - While she is certainly ditzy in places, there are many moments in the film where she proves herself a capable agent. And Britt Ekland in a bikini - yum!

    The duel between Bond and Scaramanaga
    - While it's perhaps a bit short, it is filled with tension and is enjoyable to watch.

    Bernard Lee as M
    - M's outrage at Bond is wonderfully played by Bernard Lee.

    Witty dialogue
    - As with Mankeiwicz's other scripts, TMWTGG contains some classic lines.


    Cons:

    The title song
    - Lewd lyrics and a horrible melody make this one of, if not, the worst opening song in the film series.

    The slide whistle
    - Ruins a dramatic stunt.

    Hitting Andrea
    - While it makes sense for Bond to do this in the story, hitting women is not okay.

    J. W. Pepper
    - While I could have lived with his first appearance in the film as a cameo, his subsequent appearances destroy whatever class the rest of the film has. However, he does add some much needed comedy to this dark film.

    The production
    - In places, it seems really cheap, while some of the locations are not typical or as classy as other Bond films. But I find this adds to the films edginess.


    Overall thoughts
    I find many people berate this film for a lot of minor things - like the slide whistle. Yet, under the rushed story and production, there is an original film here that begs to be enjoyed. It's certainly not the series' best film, but a worthwhile entry nonetheless.
    1. CR 2. OHMSS 3. GE 4. TLD 5. FRwL 6. TMWTGG 7. FYEO
    8. OP 9. TSWLM 10. SF 11. TND 12. LtK 13. NTtD 14. GF
    15. AVtaK 16. LaLD 17. TWiNE 18. MR 19. YOLT 20. DN 21. TB
    22. SP 23. DAD 24. QoS 25. DaF
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    IcePak wrote:

    Hitting Andrea
    - ..... hitting women is not okay.

    Got to think what they are writing in "The Modern Handbook for Spies in the age of PC'ness":

    "23: Hitting Women is not ok"

    ?:) ?:) ?:)
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,061MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    IcePak wrote:

    Hitting Andrea
    - ..... hitting women is not okay.

    Got to think what they are writing in "The Modern Handbook for Spies in the age of PC'ness":

    "23: Hitting Women is not ok"

    ?:) ?:) ?:)
    :)) :)) :)) :))
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