Pros and Cons: The Man with the Golden Gun

Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
edited September 2015 in The James Bond Films
Was released in 1974, the 2nd Roger Moore film, and in this Bond entry, Bond meets his match with a highly skilled assassin in a duel. In the film's production, Harry and Cubby (the two founders of Eon) were at stark disagreement in the film's direction, and likewise, public opinion of the film is divided too. And with that, let's look at the pros and cons.

Pros
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[*]Christopher Lee as Scaramanga, quirks and all - and Nick Nack too[/*]
[*]A golden gun made ordinary gold parts to hide the evidence. Brilliant.[/*]
[*]Had a great concept of Bond facing against his equal[/*]
[*]The maze duel game was very fascinating in a mysterious way[/*]
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Cons:
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[*]Moore's darker more violent scenes feel forced and out of character[/*]
[*]The middle third of the film is a bunch of random gags to fill time[/*]
[*]The solar power bit was totally unnecessary Blame OPEC, lol.[/*]
[*]The dueling game finale could've been fleshed out more[/*]
[*]Weak women characters (Goodnight & Scaramanga's mistress)[/*]
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I think one reviewer totally nailed the head with this one sentence: "Scaramanga was the perfect mirror for the wrong Bond". This film would've been good for Dalton or Connery but Moore just isn't a ruthless assassin. If the film had a clearer vision of what it wanted to be and focused on it, it could've been great, but what we got instead just feels random and out of place all around.
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    TMWTGG feels rushed sometimes, I think it's because it was released on the Heels of LALD -{ But it's got some good Set Pieces like Scaramangas Fun house, which still amazes me with it's Abstract Design -{
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  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    It was released just a year after LALD instead of the standard two year wait.

    Scaramanga's fun house was such a great place. The fact that they spent so little time on it was perhaps the movie's greatest crime. As we've seen in movies like FRWL (the train) and SF (the abandoned house) the James Bond movies have that magic of focusing on one location for 30 minutes. I wish MWGG could have been like that.
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    They kept Scaramanga's Back story from the Book as well -{
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,399MI6 Agent
    [*]Moore was definitely not the right Bond for this concept[/*]

    Sorry, but I have to disagree with that!

    Sir Roger was the inly actor who was able to pull out this movie and he had a great chemistry with Lee.

    Just rewatch that dinner conversation on the island again.
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  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    [*]Moore was definitely not the right Bond for this concept[/*]

    Sorry, but I have to disagree with that!

    Sir Roger was the inly actor who was able to pull out this movie and he had a great chemistry with Lee.

    Just rewatch that dinner conversation on the island again.

    In the later parts of the movie itself, I think Moore did a more than capable job contending against Scaramanga. I agree with the dinner table scene. I just feel like when Scaramanga was belittling Bond with his words, more what he said applied to Connery's Bond than Moore's. And Moore is my favorite Bond, so I'm not saying this out of Connery bias.
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,604MI6 Agent
    Besides Christopher Lee, there isn't really much that I like about TMWTGG. Oh wait, I just thought of something else - it's slightly better than AVTAK.
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  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,604MI6 Agent
    Key word: slightly

    Yes! :))
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,697MI6 Agent
    A Quantum, if you will ? :D
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  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,604MI6 Agent
    A Quantum, if you will ? :D

    Barely. :D
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,043MI6 Agent
    I used to like it much better than I do now, but I still pull it out occasionally. The climactic duel of titans was a bit anti-climactic.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool. Craig is too.
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    And leaves a few Questions Marks. Did Bond climb down for his Walther, or was the Dummy carrying a fully loaded one?
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  • SpoffSpoff Posts: 244MI6 Agent
    Pro: Britt Ekland in a bikini :))
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    That's always a Pro :))
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  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    Spoff wrote:
    Pro: Britt Ekland in a bikini :))
    Con: Mary Goodnight in a bikini :)
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 31,301Chief of Staff
    :)) :)) :))
  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    edited June 2015
    On my second viewing, it raised in my opinion. But in the third viewing it really sunk. Maybe it has to do with my mood but I found the film unfocused shallow and trivial.
  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    I decided to watch this movie in tribute of Christopher Lee. Lee was great and JW added some laughs but I otherwise found it stale. The finale was supposed to be great but by then I was half asleep
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,399MI6 Agent
    by then I was half asleep

    mommy told you not to drink more than half a pint of beer over the weekend :D :D
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    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    'Finds a Chair and sits down'

    Please carry on you two :D
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,529MI6 Agent
    I decided to watch this movie in tribute of Christopher Lee. Lee was great and JW added some laughs but I otherwise found it stale. The finale was supposed to be great but by then I was half asleep

    Moore's fantastic performance couldn't keep you interested? I know most people say Moore didn't settle into the role until TSWLM, but he's quite comfortable and confident as Bond here. He plays Bond very straight in this film, which maybe throws some people off because they're used to his humour. But he's very convincing as a serious Bond in this film to me and thoroughly keeps my interest through this film.
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  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 9,863MI6 Agent
    Its good entertainment but with a bit of a serious twist could have been great!!! E.g the dinner table scene

    Highlights for me are the actual Golden Gun prop (now so iconic), Christopher Lee and the locations!!!

    Nick Nack is amusing and great but maybe a bit too much comedy.

    One thing I really hate is the fun house set looks a bit naff and dated now, Pepper and his antics and the terrible theme tune!!

    If one Bond film had to be remade it would be this one for me. Bags of potential but rushed and mediocre.

    PS - my young one loves it!!
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  • Absolutely_CartAbsolutely_Cart NJ/NYC, United StatesPosts: 1,740MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    I decided to watch this movie in tribute of Christopher Lee. Lee was great and JW added some laughs but I otherwise found it stale. The finale was supposed to be great but by then I was half asleep

    Moore's fantastic performance couldn't keep you interested? I know most people say Moore didn't settle into the role until TSWLM, but he's quite comfortable and confident as Bond here. He plays Bond very straight in this film, which maybe throws some people off because they're used to his humour. But he's very convincing as a serious Bond in this film to me and thoroughly keeps my interest through this film.

    They tried to make Bond dark and ruthless. Moore didn't like excessive violence and it became awkward. There were a lot of scenes like violently interrogating Scaramanga's wife that just feel out of place in a Moore film. FYEO was dark but even in that movie, Moore's Bond had heart and some class.

    Writers fault. Not Moores
  • broadshoulderbroadshoulder Acton, London, UKPosts: 1,363MI6 Agent
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    There were a lot of scenes like violently interrogating Scaramanga's wife that just feel out of place in a Moore films
    .

    Scaramanga's wife? Mrs Scaramanga?
    [Writers fault. Not Moores

    I'm a big fan of Tom Mankiewicz and the fact that Harry drove him to apolexy on this film. The writers do what the producers tell them to do?
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    I decided to watch this movie in tribute of Christopher Lee. Lee was great and JW added some laughs but I otherwise found it stale. The finale was supposed to be great but by then I was half asleep

    Moore's fantastic performance couldn't keep you interested? I know most people say Moore didn't settle into the role until TSWLM, but he's quite comfortable and confident as Bond here. He plays Bond very straight in this film, which maybe throws some people off because they're used to his humour. But he's very convincing as a serious Bond in this film to me and thoroughly keeps my interest through this film.

    They tried to make Bond dark and ruthless. Moore didn't like excessive violence and it became awkward. There were a lot of scenes like violently interrogating Scaramanga's wife that just feel out of place in a Moore film. FYEO was dark but even in that movie, Moore's Bond had heart and some class.

    Writers fault. Not Moores

    They were never married. She was just his Mistress.
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  • DevilMayCare007DevilMayCare007 Posts: 196MI6 Agent
    Everything is bad about this movie except Sir Christopher Lee. This had potential, but unfortunately they rushed it.
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  • AlphaOmegaSinAlphaOmegaSin EnglandPosts: 10,924MI6 Agent
    Everything is bad about this movie except Sir Christopher Lee. This had potential, but unfortunately they rushed it.

    Even the Soundtrack and Locations?

    Both are my favourite Parts of the Film.
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  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    Pro:
    - Roger Moore as a convincing Bond
    - J.W.'s return
    - great locations esecially scaramanga's island
    - scaramanga is a solid villain
    - classic lightness of a Bond-movie

    Con:
    - stereotypical/hysterical bond girl
    - Nick Nack isn't really a threat (what should be the main purpose of a henchman)
    -{
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  • DevilMayCare007DevilMayCare007 Posts: 196MI6 Agent
    Everything is bad about this movie except Sir Christopher Lee. This had potential, but unfortunately they rushed it.

    Even the Soundtrack and Locations?

    Both are my favourite Parts of the Film.
    The soundtrack was ehhh, but I believe John Barry barely had time to work on it ? And the locations were okay, but I did like scaramanga's playhouse
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,529MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    I decided to watch this movie in tribute of Christopher Lee. Lee was great and JW added some laughs but I otherwise found it stale. The finale was supposed to be great but by then I was half asleep

    Moore's fantastic performance couldn't keep you interested? I know most people say Moore didn't settle into the role until TSWLM, but he's quite comfortable and confident as Bond here. He plays Bond very straight in this film, which maybe throws some people off because they're used to his humour. But he's very convincing as a serious Bond in this film to me and thoroughly keeps my interest through this film.

    They tried to make Bond dark and ruthless. Moore didn't like excessive violence and it became awkward. There were a lot of scenes like violently interrogating Scaramanga's wife that just feel out of place in a Moore film. FYEO was dark but even in that movie, Moore's Bond had heart and some class.

    Writers fault. Not Moores

    Moore is hardly violent in the film. Scaramanga is the only person he kills in the entire film! This is the least violent Bond film. One of the best scenes is when he explains that he doesn't kill for pleasure and only on the strictest orders from his government. And that holds true in this film since the only person he kills in the person he is ordered (or rather implied by M) to kill. I don't know what you're talking about with Scaramanga's wife, since Scaramanga was not married.
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