it strikes me as highly unlikely that SP is a worse film.
It isn't- don't worry, you'll have a ball!
48 hours from now, I will be in front of an IMAX screen
So will I Just read Richard Roeper's review and one thing I gleaned from it was that this movie isn't necessarily a critical darling outside Bond fandom like Skyfall was, but will be more than pleasing for die hard bond fans. That's exactly what I want at this point.
DOES IT DESERVE TO BE HIGHER? DOES IT HAVE A CHANCE OF GETTING HIGHER? I Think it will Lap up Quantum once it gets a high enough reveiwes, by the adjusted score, however that works
The reviewer from Forbes magazine is talking directly from his ass. He calls it "the worst Bond film in 30 years"...a span of time that includes AVTAK and DAD 8-) It's hyperbole that devalues every word he subsequently excretes.
Many critics simply don't understand Bond: the character or its appeal, or even the franchise itself.
I find it ironic that critics are being criticised here for criticising a Bond movie. Some of us may have forgotten how they have criticised DAD here just a moment ago.
I bet he/she would be the person that would give a rave review on movie such as The Hangover and The Dictator.
Come on... have not watched The Hangover, but The Dictator was almost as great as Borat!
Bond is a half-a-century old franchise. That creates its own troubles, one of them being that when you make a new movie, it will need to appeal to everyone to be truly successful: the aging, old-time fans, the new fans, those who will be seeing a Bond movie for the first time and the general public. Can you make everyone happy? I doubt it. There is no point reading reviews if you have already made up your mind. You will only be frustrated! I enjoy reading the good and bad reviews, and do not think any less about those critics whose opinion is different from mine, as long as they can provide a justification.
Richard Fitzwilliams has taken it upon himself to divide a review in two, giving Spectre a 6 from himself and non-bond fans, and an 8/10 for Die Hard bond fans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgi45GadtXw
Bond is a half-a-century old franchise. That creates its own troubles, one of them being that when you make a new movie, it will need to appeal to everyone to be truly successful: the aging, old-time fans, the new fans, those who will be seeing a Bond movie for the first time and the general public. Can you make everyone happy? I doubt it. There is no point reading reviews if you have already made up your mind. You will only be frustrated! I enjoy reading the good and bad reviews, and do not think any less about those critics whose opinion is different from mine, as long as they can provide a justification.
People keep saying that, but truthfully the franchise had BIG-TIME problems before it even became 10 years old, I mean look at diamonds are forever. Skyfall proved that age isn't even a factor,
Spectre is weird , not on any movie have i seen such divided opinions. The only thing unanimous is that they all like the opening sequence.
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Bond is the most unique thing in film...and it's far bigger than any group of critics---particularly when opinions begin with a negative bias, and I have no problem calling that out. In my opinion, that's just lazy. I have great admiration for those who are devoid of judgmentalism, but I do tend to doubt that those people exist, for the most part.
All is fair in the arena of opinion. As always, success is the best revenge, and it's a bit more tangible than opinion :007)
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It took OHMSS a few decades to prove its success as the best Bond movie ever!
Very true---the very definition of a classic -{
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Ironically, some of the negative reviews have made me more excited to see the film. The things some of the critics dislike are the things the fans love about Bond films. It just seems to be that SPECTRE was made to please the core audience, not the critics.
If you want to see something interesting, go on the New York Times website. The website has literally every film review that has ever appeared in the Times. The reviews of the original Connery Bonds are a mixed bag to say the least....not all bad, but not all great reviews. The mixed US reviews of SPECTRE remind me of the critical reception given Thunderball.
Those films were huge hits with the public, but not so much with the critics. Those films have gained in stature critically over time and achieved classic status.
Another more extreme example of this are the Sergio Leone classic westerns, "The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly" and "Once Upon a Time In The West". When initially released, both these films were panned by more critics than praised; some even calling TGTBATU "trash". Now they are considered classics, with OUATITW listed among the greatest westerns ever by some.
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Ironically, some of the negative reviews have made me more excited to see the film. The things some of the critics dislike are the things the fans love about Bond films. It just seems to be that SPECTRE was made to please the core audience, not the critics.
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Ironically, some of the negative reviews have made me more excited to see the film. The things some of the critics dislike are the things the fans love about Bond films. It just seems to be that SPECTRE was made to please the core audience, not the critics.
If you want to see something interesting, go on the New York Times website. The website has literally every film review that has ever appeared in the Times. The reviews of the original Connery Bonds are a mixed bag to say the least....not all bad, but not all great reviews. The mixed US reviews of SPECTRE remind me of the critical reception given Thunderball.
Those films were huge hits with the public, but not so much with the critics. Those films have gained in stature critically over time and achieved classic status.
Another more extreme example of this are the Sergio Leone classic westerns, "The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly" and "Once Upon a Time In The West". When initially released, both these films were panned by more critics than praised; some even calling TGTBATU "trash". Now they are considered classics, with OUATITW listed among the greatest westerns ever by some.
That's precisely why I said earlier we should not be annoyed by critics whose opinion is different from ours. Could provide a few examples of movies praised by critics when released that no-one watches anymore too.
There is also a good reason why Connery's movies get that "mixed bag" - we love them, we consider them classics, and we forgive them their faults. Some of the "special effects" of the time (especially rear projection in DN and FRWL) must have been noticeable already back then. You can focus how unrealistic the look (same as Brosnan's tsunami surfing or Craig's Mexico explosion), or you can just enjoy the movie and accept that no film is perfect (except, perhaps, Goldeneye!).
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Quite so. Critics have always been baffled by Bond. One of the constants in this universe. Like gravity.
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Took in a second viewing last night ( first time ever for a DC Bond) and have to say did enjoy it a lot more. It's so easy to pick faults in any film( even easier if not to keen on the star) so I went to see second viewing with the attitude that it's James Bond no matter who plays him and tbh had a great time.
it strikes me as highly unlikely that SP is a worse film.
It isn't- don't worry, you'll have a ball!
48 hours from now, I will be in front of an IMAX screen
I'm sure that you will love it. My vIews are known to you, so I hope that you believe me when I say it is very good, top 5 for me. I'm not blind to its flaws, but it swept me along with it.Daniels's finest performance.
Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
Bond is a half-a-century old franchise. That creates its own troubles, one of them being that when you make a new movie, it will need to appeal to everyone to be truly successful: the aging, old-time fans, the new fans, those who will be seeing a Bond movie for the first time and the general public. Can you make everyone happy? I doubt it. There is no point reading reviews if you have already made up your mind. You will only be frustrated! I enjoy reading the good and bad reviews, and do not think any less about those critics whose opinion is different from mine, as long as they can provide a justification.
People keep saying that, but truthfully the franchise had BIG-TIME problems before it even became 10 years old, I mean look at diamonds are forever. Skyfall proved that age isn't even a factor,
Spectre is weird , not on any movie have i seen such divided opinions. The only thing unanimous is that they all like the opening sequence.
I find the divided opinions a bit odd seeing as Skyfall was almost as universally held in high regard. I (for what it's worth) think it's a better Bond movie, but maybe not a better film. Even so I find it odd
That if someone liked Skyfall that they would dislike SPECTRE. May be ' tall poppy syndrome ' in play.Bad reviews will do little to damage the box office, but could impact upon the next films receipts and budgets. Particularly if we have a new actor in the role. Skyfall was an enormous success with a relatively low budget following the lower take and poor reception of QOS ( not a commercial failure by any means, just lower than CR)
Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
I've heard it is darkest, and at the same time funniest , which Mendez finds the perfect balance between Classic and dark bond.
I've heard that the pacing sucks, then that the pacing is a masterstroke, that the action sucks, then that the action is top-notch, that the story sucks, then that the story is great, that the supporting cast is great, then that it sucks, that the finale sucks, then that it is the best finale of all the bonds, that it is too formulaic , then that the critic wished the series would go straight back to the simple mission formula, that Hinx was awesomen, then that he was wasted, that Waltz was amazing, then that he was wasted
I've heard it is darkest, and at the same time funniest , which Mendez finds the perfect balance between Classic and dark bond.
I've heard that the pacing sucks, then that the pacing is a masterstroke, that the action sucks, then that the action is top-notch, that the story sucks, then that the story is great, that the supporting cast is great, then that it sucks, that the finale sucks, then that it is the best finale of all the bonds, that it is too formulaic , then that the critic wished the series would go straight back to the simple mission formula, that Hinx was awesomen, then that he was wasted, that Waltz was amazing, then that he was wasted
That's about the size of it, all right. And that for better or worse, it's quintessential Bond ) Of course it's important to remember that the biggest hit in British film history* is not particularly highly-regarded by many strident Bond fans here...so perhaps SP is set to be an instant fan favourite, which the critics regard as a room-temperature turd on a paper plate. C'est la guerre -{
*SkyFall, of course
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Skyfall was definetely mixed with the fans but unanimous with the critics, Spectre seems like it is that exactly reversed, although I loved Skyfall. I think the way it is said to just move from one action scene to the next with little story in between is resemblant of a lot of Roger Moore's films, thoroughly entertaining but not much story. Moonraker for example, was comprised of like 15 short little 90 second action scenes and a big finale. Mendez also seems to like the short little action scenes, from Skyfall only the beginning and end were big action setpieces, the rest were short little bursts of action, but it worked.
If it isn't that great, hopefully all the bad reviews will curb my enthusiasm so that i can enjoy it even more. But when it was at 78% i was entirely satisfied, because it was the 8th best reviewed bond film, which is easily a 9 despite the reviews
I've heard it is darkest, and at the same time funniest , which Mendez finds the perfect balance between Classic and dark bond.
I've heard that the pacing sucks, then that the pacing is a masterstroke, that the action sucks, then that the action is top-notch, that the story sucks, then that the story is great, that the supporting cast is great, then that it sucks, that the finale sucks, then that it is the best finale of all the bonds, that it is too formulaic , then that the critic wished the series would go straight back to the simple mission formula, that Hinx was awesomen, then that he was wasted, that Waltz was amazing, then that he was wasted
That's about the size of it, all right. And that for better or worse, it's quintessential Bond ) Of course it's important to remember that the biggest hit in British film history* is not particularly highly-regarded by many strident Bond fans here...so perhaps SP is set to be an instant fan favourite, which the critics regard as a room-temperature turd on a paper plate. C'est la guerre -{
*SkyFall, of course
Loeff, its been a blockbuster. You will enjoy it. Everyone I know is seeing it twice
1. For Your Eyes Only 2. The Living Daylights 3 From Russia with Love 4. Casino Royale 5. OHMSS 6. Skyfall
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I've heard it is darkest, and at the same time funniest , which Mendez finds the perfect balance between Classic and dark bond.
I've heard that the pacing sucks, then that the pacing is a masterstroke, that the action sucks, then that the action is top-notch, that the story sucks, then that the story is great, that the supporting cast is great, then that it sucks, that the finale sucks, then that it is the best finale of all the bonds, that it is too formulaic , then that the critic wished the series would go straight back to the simple mission formula, that Hinx was awesomen, then that he was wasted, that Waltz was amazing, then that he was wasted
That's about the size of it, all right. And that for better or worse, it's quintessential Bond ) Of course it's important to remember that the biggest hit in British film history* is not particularly highly-regarded by many strident Bond fans here...so perhaps SP is set to be an instant fan favourite, which the critics regard as a room-temperature turd on a paper plate. C'est la guerre -{
*SkyFall, of course
Loeff, its been a blockbuster. You will enjoy it. Everyone I know is seeing it twice
26.5 hours to go...! :007)
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
MY WRITING CLUB GOT PUSHED BACK TO NEXT WEEK SO I WILL BE ATTENDING SPECTRE AT IMAX TOMORROW AT 7 FOR SURE
Yet on my Bondathon, i only made it to Octopussy
What time zone, Shatterfang? My showtime is 7 PM Central Time.
EDIT: Looks like Eastern ;%
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
- Spectre has a 77% top critics. I think this is a more accurate percentage, it elimantes all the crappy critics like those hipsters and sticks to the ones in the big house like Roepert in the mirror.
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So will I
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/wish-i-was-at-disneyland/id1202780413?mt=2
http://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/james-bond-movies/2/
DOES IT DESERVE TO BE HIGHER? DOES IT HAVE A CHANCE OF GETTING HIGHER? I Think it will Lap up Quantum once it gets a high enough reveiwes, by the adjusted score, however that works
Skyfall is #1!
Come on... have not watched The Hangover, but The Dictator was almost as great as Borat!
People keep saying that, but truthfully the franchise had BIG-TIME problems before it even became 10 years old, I mean look at diamonds are forever. Skyfall proved that age isn't even a factor,
Spectre is weird , not on any movie have i seen such divided opinions. The only thing unanimous is that they all like the opening sequence.
All is fair in the arena of opinion. As always, success is the best revenge, and it's a bit more tangible than opinion :007)
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Very true---the very definition of a classic -{
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
If you want to see something interesting, go on the New York Times website. The website has literally every film review that has ever appeared in the Times. The reviews of the original Connery Bonds are a mixed bag to say the least....not all bad, but not all great reviews. The mixed US reviews of SPECTRE remind me of the critical reception given Thunderball.
Those films were huge hits with the public, but not so much with the critics. Those films have gained in stature critically over time and achieved classic status.
Another more extreme example of this are the Sergio Leone classic westerns, "The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly" and "Once Upon a Time In The West". When initially released, both these films were panned by more critics than praised; some even calling TGTBATU "trash". Now they are considered classics, with OUATITW listed among the greatest westerns ever by some.
{[] :007)
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
That's precisely why I said earlier we should not be annoyed by critics whose opinion is different from ours. Could provide a few examples of movies praised by critics when released that no-one watches anymore too.
There is also a good reason why Connery's movies get that "mixed bag" - we love them, we consider them classics, and we forgive them their faults. Some of the "special effects" of the time (especially rear projection in DN and FRWL) must have been noticeable already back then. You can focus how unrealistic the look (same as Brosnan's tsunami surfing or Craig's Mexico explosion), or you can just enjoy the movie and accept that no film is perfect (except, perhaps, Goldeneye!).
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I'd say, Spectre is much better than Mission Impossible.
I will go to another showing of Imax premier this Thursday. -{ {[]
I'm sure that you will love it. My vIews are known to you, so I hope that you believe me when I say it is very good, top 5 for me. I'm not blind to its flaws, but it swept me along with it.Daniels's finest performance.
I find the divided opinions a bit odd seeing as Skyfall was almost as universally held in high regard. I (for what it's worth) think it's a better Bond movie, but maybe not a better film. Even so I find it odd
That if someone liked Skyfall that they would dislike SPECTRE. May be ' tall poppy syndrome ' in play.Bad reviews will do little to damage the box office, but could impact upon the next films receipts and budgets. Particularly if we have a new actor in the role. Skyfall was an enormous success with a relatively low budget following the lower take and poor reception of QOS ( not a commercial failure by any means, just lower than CR)
I've heard that the pacing sucks, then that the pacing is a masterstroke, that the action sucks, then that the action is top-notch, that the story sucks, then that the story is great, that the supporting cast is great, then that it sucks, that the finale sucks, then that it is the best finale of all the bonds, that it is too formulaic , then that the critic wished the series would go straight back to the simple mission formula, that Hinx was awesomen, then that he was wasted, that Waltz was amazing, then that he was wasted
Best give it a suck yourself and see if it was wasted ?
For Me, the cast was brilliant, as was the locations, action and photography, a great night out. -{
That's about the size of it, all right. And that for better or worse, it's quintessential Bond
*SkyFall, of course
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
If it isn't that great, hopefully all the bad reviews will curb my enthusiasm so that i can enjoy it even more. But when it was at 78% i was entirely satisfied, because it was the 8th best reviewed bond film, which is easily a 9 despite the reviews
Me too.....
Loeff, its been a blockbuster. You will enjoy it. Everyone I know is seeing it twice
26.5 hours to go...! :007)
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Yet on my Bondathon, i only made it to Octopussy
What time zone, Shatterfang? My showtime is 7 PM Central Time.
EDIT: Looks like Eastern ;%
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
- Spectre has a 77% top critics. I think this is a more accurate percentage, it elimantes all the crappy critics like those hipsters and sticks to the ones in the big house like Roepert in the mirror.