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SPECTRE Oddities & Miscellaneous Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)

JellyfishJellyfish EnglandPosts: 342MI6 Agent
edited November -1 in SPECTRE - Bond 24 (2015)
This is a place to mention/discuss little things that might not fit into other existing threads. I'll start:

-Reference to The Hildebrand Rarity, with Q's remark about never having heard of it probably representing the majority of people.

-The Colonel Sun reference, with the torture scene and Bond telling Blofeld to get on with it as it's probably less painful than listening to him speak.

-The programmed music in the DB10. Was 009, the car's intended recipient, being sent on an assignment to New York? -OR- Was it another lesser-known Bond reference; 007 in New York?
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  • k5211k5211 UKPosts: 107MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    When Donna Lucia enters the room back at her home, after the funeral, and prior to Bond arriving "in the garden" a piece of classical music is playing. Its not Thomas Newman, its an original piece. Anybody manage to recognise it ?? I'll just have to shazzam it on my second viewing saturday :)
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 24,929Chief of Staff
    edited November -1
    ^ it's Lucia Sciarra not Donna Lucia -{
    YNWA 96

    The Unbearables
  • Martin AstonMartin Aston LondonPosts: 408MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    Jellyfish wrote:
    -The programmed music in the DB10. Was 009, the car's intended recipient, being sent on an assignment to New York? -OR- Was it another lesser-known Bond reference; 007 in New York?

    Frank Sinatra was playing, apparently a good friend of Cubby Broccoli, so it was a nod to CB. This is according to an online review I read.
  • k5211k5211 UKPosts: 107MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    The opera song played as Lucia Sciarra enters her home and outside in the garden with Bond, is a version of Antonio Vivaldi classic 'Nisi Dominus'. If you are looking to download it here's what you are looking for:

    "Nisi Dominus: IV. Cum dederit dilectis suis somnum. Largo" perfomed by Paul Dyer, Australian Brandenburg Orchestra & Andreas Scholl, from the album 'Baroque Favourites'

    Heres the album cover


    cd_baroque_favourites.jpg
  • StrangewaysStrangeways London, UKPosts: 1,431MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    Great thread. I was wondering where to post this question.....

    How did Bond survive the torture?
  • Robbo88Robbo88 Newcastle, England.Posts: 253MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    Great thread. I was wondering where to post this question.....

    How did Bond survive the torture?

    Blofeld told him the first wave would drill into his skull and cause discomfort. The second would make him forget people. But it didn't for some reason. And the third would of killed him.
    "Sic Parvis Magna"
    "Greatness From Small Beginnings."
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 6,652MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    Robbo88 wrote:
    Great thread. I was wondering where to post this question.....

    How did Bond survive the torture?

    Blofeld told him the first wave would drill into his skull and cause discomfort. The second would make him forget people. But it didn't for some reason. And the third would of killed him.

    He said it might cause memory loss if he could hit the right spot. He was going to take his eyes out on the third. They were going there when the watch went off.
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  • UnderwaterBattle007UnderwaterBattle007 Posts: 277MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    I didn't quite get why Bond had to dress up in the Skeleton suit/mask at the start of the movie. I also didn't understand the need for the actress at the start.

    Bond goes to her room takes off the disguise and then goes out in a normal suit and tie.

    I've only seen the movie once so perhaps I have missed something.
    FRWl, CR, OHMSS, TSWLM, GF, SF, TLD, LTK, TND, FYEO, OP,TWINE, GE, LALD, TB, SPECTRE, DN, YOLT, TMWTGG, QOS, MR, DAF, DAD, AVTAK.

    "Do you expect me to talk? "No Mister Bond I expect you to die"
  • The_CommanderThe_Commander EnglandPosts: 229MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    Agreed - although lovely eye-candy, why was Sigman in the film at the start? Unless there's stuff on the cutting room floor we don't know about, it would be far more in Bond's character to be acting alone in tracking down Sciarra wouldn't it?
    1:Sf, 2:SP, 3:TSWLM, 4:CR, 5:OHMSS
  • JellyfishJellyfish EnglandPosts: 342MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    I didn't quite get why Bond had to dress up in the Skeleton suit/mask at the start of the movie. I also didn't understand the need for the actress at the start.

    Bond goes to her room takes off the disguise and then goes out in a normal suit and tie.

    I've only seen the movie once so perhaps I have missed something.

    I think the disguise and girl are just for cover when Bond is following Sciarra. I think the only people not in costume are uniformed police officers, so Bond would stand out in normal clothes. The girl is perhaps just another layer of cover; a couple look less suspicious than a solitary man.

    I am wondering why Bond wore a suit under the disguise. I know this current Bond seems to wear one most of the time, but it doesn't really make sense in this scene, as Bond is AWOL and ends up doing a lot of running and fighting.
  • GrazmeisterGrazmeister Posts: 34MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    I tell you the two things that were strange to me..

    Mentioned this elsewhere but why was an agent who'd just been 'stood down' being ferried into Q branch 5 minutes later. Was Tanner just doing it as a favour to him? Once there how on earth did he get the Aston out and get it shipped abroad. If nothing else this would have taken time yet he's driving it about in Rome a few hours later.

    The other thing is the train fight. Great as it is how come the train suddenly appears deserted once it all kicks off and they are free to completely destroy the train without any comeback. Even afterwards no-one comes up to them and says wtf was that all about..they just go off for a shag. No wonder they dumped them off in the middle of the desert when they got the chance :)) .

    The thing about the train fights in FRWL and LALD was that they were contained within the cabin so this was never an issue.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,696MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    I think it was a deliberate point by Mendes, that in all the action/fight sequences
    There are no by standers, Bond is " Isolated" ?
    I think this may be to represent, how Bond lives in two world's, our " Normal" one
    and his own " Violence filled espionage " one.
    Only my take on it, we might find out on the directors commentary. :)
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • kaddkadd Posts: 883MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    I tell you the two things that were strange to me..

    Mentioned this elsewhere but why was an agent who'd just been 'stood down' being ferried into Q branch 5 minutes later. Was Tanner just doing it as a favour to him? Once there how on earth did he get the Aston out and get it shipped abroad. If nothing else this would have taken time yet he's driving it about in Rome a few hours later.

    The other thing is the train fight. Great as it is how come the train suddenly appears deserted once it all kicks off and they are free to completely destroy the train without any comeback. Even afterwards no-one comes up to them and says wtf was that all about..they just go off for a shag. No wonder they dumped them off in the middle of the desert when they got the chance :)) .

    The thing about the train fights in FRWL and LALD was that they were contained within the cabin so this was never an issue.

    Regarding getting a car to the continent, you can drive from the United Kingdom to Italy by taking the Eurotunnel shuttle. Essentially a train for cars. This gets you under the Channel and into France.
  • GrazmeisterGrazmeister Posts: 34MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    kadd wrote:
    I tell you the two things that were strange to me..

    Mentioned this elsewhere but why was an agent who'd just been 'stood down' being ferried into Q branch 5 minutes later. Was Tanner just doing it as a favour to him? Once there how on earth did he get the Aston out and get it shipped abroad. If nothing else this would have taken time yet he's driving it about in Rome a few hours later.

    The other thing is the train fight. Great as it is how come the train suddenly appears deserted once it all kicks off and they are free to completely destroy the train without any comeback. Even afterwards no-one comes up to them and says wtf was that all about..they just go off for a shag. No wonder they dumped them off in the middle of the desert when they got the chance :)) .

    The thing about the train fights in FRWL and LALD was that they were contained within the cabin so this was never an issue.

    Regarding getting a car to the continent, you can drive from the United Kingdom to Italy by taking the Eurotunnel shuttle. Essentially a train for cars. This gets you under the Channel and into France.

    Lol you know what I never even thought about that. Even more ridiculous when you consider my Dad worked for Eurotunnel :))
  • The_CommanderThe_Commander EnglandPosts: 229MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    I did this exact same journey only 2 weeks ago for my honeymoon: Manchester to Folkestone terminal, then turned left at Calais and overnighted in Braunlauf, Belgium. Next day was spent travelling to Interlaken where we spent our second evening and the third day saw us crossing into Italy via the Furka Pass (from Goldfinger) and ending up on the shores of Lake Como (sadly not staying at the villa featured in Casino Royale). Day 4 took us to Siena (QoS) and we loved the town (city?) so much we spent a second day there and decided to miss out on Rome before we travelled to the Amalfi coast where we spent 4 nights.

    If Bond made it to Rome in a few hours, I bet there was no 'migrant activity' which meant a 5 hour delay for us on the way to France!!
    1:Sf, 2:SP, 3:TSWLM, 4:CR, 5:OHMSS
  • sniperUKsniperUK UlsterPosts: 587MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    Routefinder puts it at 15hrs drivw Calais-Rome, maybe it should be a "Not Top Gear " challenge to drive the DB10 that route with Clarkson at the wheel and see how quick it can be done :v
  • LexiLexi LondonPosts: 2,973MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    I didn't quite get why Bond had to dress up in the Skeleton suit/mask at the start of the movie. I also didn't understand the need for the actress at the start.

    Bond goes to her room takes off the disguise and then goes out in a normal suit and tie.

    I've only seen the movie once so perhaps I have missed something.

    Really? I thought that was obvious...

    We see him in Mexico, tracking down Sciarra, on the most famous festival in that part of the world... of course he's going to be in costume (he'd stick out like a sore thumb if he didn't)... the girl? Well he's Bond isn't he, he's probably picked her up, to get info on the what happens on that day... and being with her is much less conspicuous, and well, he was hoping to come back to her, when he had killed Sciarra. This is the much more cooler/traditional Bond after all...

    Kinda like the opening of TSWLM... we don't question who Bond was with at the beginning... he was just being Bond. :))
    She's worth whatever chaos she brings to the table and you know it. ~ Mark Anthony
  • kaddkadd Posts: 883MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    kadd wrote:
    I tell you the two things that were strange to me..

    Mentioned this elsewhere but why was an agent who'd just been 'stood down' being ferried into Q branch 5 minutes later. Was Tanner just doing it as a favour to him? Once there how on earth did he get the Aston out and get it shipped abroad. If nothing else this would have taken time yet he's driving it about in Rome a few hours later.

    The other thing is the train fight. Great as it is how come the train suddenly appears deserted once it all kicks off and they are free to completely destroy the train without any comeback. Even afterwards no-one comes up to them and says wtf was that all about..they just go off for a shag. No wonder they dumped them off in the middle of the desert when they got the chance :)) .

    The thing about the train fights in FRWL and LALD was that they were contained within the cabin so this was never an issue.

    Regarding getting a car to the continent, you can drive from the United Kingdom to Italy by taking the Eurotunnel shuttle. Essentially a train for cars. This gets you under the Channel and into France.

    Lol you know what I never even thought about that. Even more ridiculous when you consider my Dad worked for Eurotunnel :))

    :))

    Also regarding Tanner taking Bond to see Q after he's grounded...my understanding was that this was for the smart blood. After Mexico, M wanted to keep an eye on him. A bit like CR when Bond gets the chip implanted.

    The fact he's escorted by a Tanner, I'm guessing is just for exposition.
  • The_CommanderThe_Commander EnglandPosts: 229MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    It's partially for exposition, but I think there's also the aspect of Tanner making sure that Bond does actually go to see Q - remember he's stood in the doorway, blocking Bond's exit. Yes, Bond could easily get past Tanner, or even knock him out, push the boat pilot overboard and make his escape on the Thames, but there seems to be a lot of respect from Bond towards Tanner and he'd never contemplate doing that.
    1:Sf, 2:SP, 3:TSWLM, 4:CR, 5:OHMSS
  • The Red KindThe Red Kind EnglandPosts: 1,633MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    Lexi wrote:
    I didn't quite get why Bond had to dress up in the Skeleton suit/mask at the start of the movie. I also didn't understand the need for the actress at the start.

    Bond goes to her room takes off the disguise and then goes out in a normal suit and tie.

    I've only seen the movie once so perhaps I have missed something.

    Really? I thought that was obvious...

    We see him in Mexico, tracking down Sciarra, on the most famous festival in that part of the world... of course he's going to be in costume (he'd stick out like a sore thumb if he didn't)... the girl? Well he's Bond isn't he, he's probably picked her up, to get info on the what happens on that day... and being with her is much less conspicuous, and well, he was hoping to come back to her, when he had killed Sciarra. This is the much more cooler/traditional Bond after all...

    Kinda like the opening of TSWLM... we don't question who Bond was with at the beginning... he was just being Bond. :))

    If he did pick her up, he'd obviously done his research that her Hotel room/apartment affords access to his target across the roof. I thought she could well have been a pre-arranged contact.
    "Any of the opposition around..?"
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,696MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    She may have been a local agent, only too happy to work under 007. :v
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    the only thing I find odd is that I still haven't seen it!
    "You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
  • PeppermillPeppermill DelftPosts: 2,852MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    I think it was a deliberate point by Mendes, that in all the action/fight sequences
    There are no by standers, Bond is " Isolated" ?
    I think this may be to represent, how Bond lives in two world's, our " Normal" one
    and his own " Violence filled espionage " one.
    Only my take on it, we might find out on the directors commentary. :)

    But there are people in the dining room before the fight starts, I would have at least expected some screaming when the gun goes off.
    1. Ohmss 2. Frwl 3. Op 4. Tswlm 5. Tld 6. Ge 7. Yolt 8. Lald 9. Cr 10. Ltk 11. Dn 12. Gf 13. Qos 14. Mr 15. Tmwtgg 16. Fyeo 17. Twine 18. Sf 19. Tb 20 Tnd 21. Spectre 22 Daf 23. Avtak 24. Dad
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,696MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    I think that's the point, during the action sequences people just disappear. :)
    Hopefully on the extra features on the bluray, it will all be explained.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • The_CommanderThe_Commander EnglandPosts: 229MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    I think if you were travelling on the 8.15 to where-ever and a fight broke out, involving guns, you'd make yourself scarce. Especially when you've got someone of Mr Hinx's size and speed, I'd certainly not stick around. I mean what are you going to do? Tell him to stop it and sit down!
    1:Sf, 2:SP, 3:TSWLM, 4:CR, 5:OHMSS
  • HatThrowingHenchmanHatThrowingHenchman Russia With LovePosts: 1,834MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    I think that's the point, during the action sequences people just disappear. :)
    Hopefully on the extra features on the bluray, it will all be explained.


    hopefully there will be extre features this time :))
    I miss the stuff the first 20 films had as extras
    "You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,696MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    Although The_Commander does make a good point, if a fight broke out
    I'd be hiding in the toilet, or rather protecting any women who might be
    in the toilet ! :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • JellyfishJellyfish EnglandPosts: 342MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    I can understand Bond and Madeleine getting off the train in the Moroccan desert, as that is where Mr White's map led them, but what did they expect to happen once they were there? They can't have known they were going to get a lift, surely? Or have I missed something?
  • MilleniumForceMilleniumForce LondonPosts: 1,214MI6 Agent
    edited November -1
    I think Bond was expecting to be picked up, they knew Bond was coming as they out Hinx on the train.
    1.LTK 2.AVTAK 3.OP 4.FYEO 5.TND 6.LALD 7.GE 8.GF 9.TSWLM 10.SPECTRE 11.SF 12.MR 13.YOLT 14.TLD 15.CR (06) 16.TMWTGG 17.TB 18.FRWL 19.TWINE 20.OHMSS 21.DAF 22.DAD 23.QoS 24.NSNA 25.DN 26.CR (67)
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 24,929Chief of Staff
    edited November -1
    I think Bond was expecting to be picked up, they knew Bond was coming as they put Hinx on the train.

    That's how I saw it too -{
    YNWA 96

    The Unbearables
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