Hmm, only some of my meticulously sourced photos are coming up! What's going on there - they were there last night.
I could be wrong, but I think one of those financiers (the Ernie Wist as opposed to the tall Eric Morecambe one) pops up in the The Counterfeiters, an acclaimed drama filmed decades later and set in a concentration camp.
I think the only suggestion of a Jewish presence in the films seems to be these boffin types that get wheeled on from time to time - whether the actors who play them are actually Jewish I don't know. The two in the Venice lab who die after Bond's incursion, for instance. In contrast, the MI6 headquarters over several decades is largely of a kind. Otherwise the whole thing - whether actually Israeli or as a sociological presence or outlook on life - is absent in a series that usually celebrates diversity.
The snobbery thing ought to be an enjoyable subtext in OHMSS and I suppose is there as written but it doesn't hit home for me - I think I might have worked better with Connery in the role.
Thanks NP. Very interesting thoughts. A lot of work has gone into that!
TSWLM is always in my top three (it vies with OHMSS and FRWL). Roger will always be my favourite Bond and this film just has everything for me. The car chase with the Esprit and Helicopter side by side is still my favourite moment in Bond movie history.
Even though this film is from 1977 is still feels modern for me, contextually. Roger is at his peak. Jaws is a revelation and still fascinates kids seeing him for the first time. The locations don't look dated, as they're timeless anyway (the scene at Faslane is great and could have been filmed yesterday). The Esprit was years ahead of its time and still looks awesome. The Bell Jet Ranger has stayed (pretty much) the same since its launch.
I remember as a child the Bond films on TV in the late seventies, early eighties, were often Connery's, which for me felt a little bit dated and of an era I didn't associate with, so whenever one of Roger's films came on, they just felt modern, new and exciting. TSWLM, MR and FYEO are all just such fun and take me back to a wonderful time.
Barbara Bach is just out of this world, and I do get your 'soft porn star' point. It might be the nice 70's hairstyle and her revealing clothing throughout the film, I love both btw😍
I have never once thought about the scientists being Jewish. Not sure if I should, or think too much into that?
The film does draw from other films and genres in places, obviously the similarities with YOLT have been discussed at length, but I don't mind that. It's done in a different way and works.
I only have two negatives with TSWLM, one is Stromberg, as generally agreed, the character doesn't have enough depth. Second is the piece whilst they're trying to break into Stromberg's control centre. I just find it drags a bit.
All in all, a truly great Bond film and if I could watch one more before meeting my maker, this would be it.
This man really did have the best job in the whole world..😊;
excellent work Napoleon! lotsa discussion points in there to keep us busy!
Jaws too scary for a Bond film? a character named Agent XXX too sexy? as this was my first Bondfilm ever, they are exactly scary and sexy as a henchman or Bondgirl oughta be. After starting with this film none of the others were scary or sexy enough.
There were a lot of antisemitic stereotypes in the In the spy novels of the prewar era, The 39 Steps, Bulldog Drummond, early Saint novels. Jewish financiers who secretly ran the world and were ultimately responsible for the buildup to war. Tintin also, Herge rewrote at least two of his Tintin books in later years to remove those stereotypes. That's one of the more embarrassing aspects of early spy fiction, especially since they got the villains 180 degrees wrong. I think after the war, and acknowledgement of the Holocaust, the creators of a popular spyfilm series may have tried to be distance themselves from the most offensive of prewar spystory stereotypes, but maybe to the extent that Jewish people were not represented at all. (overemotional Latin types were fair game, but the filmmaker was named Broccoli after all so he's allowed)
I think in some cases, the display of images is dependent on cookies. Meaning if you open another website, its cookies are in your browser memory. and when you imagelink to that other site from ajb007, you can see the image in your post because you still have those cookies. The rest of us can't see it because we don't have the cookies from the other website in our browser memory. Just a hypothesis.
I test for this problem by opening the ajb007 page in a second browser. The second browser wont have the cookies in memory, If the images don't appear there, I know nobody else can see them either and I need to find another source.
In this new forum software we can paste our own images in directly from our harddrive, which we couldnt do before. When I want to include an image, instead of imagelinking, I save it to a temporary folder on my harddrive and then drag or paste it into my post. Or sometimes I can just copy and paste directly from another website into my post. That's much more reliable, and we don't have to worry about some other site going down in the future. (but we may one day have to worry about ajb007 getting overloaded with big image files)
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Five martinis for that review !
The photos were on my desktop - however I promptly put them in the bin and deleted them, so that may the reason some don't exist. I'll try to reinstate them.
Kudos to @caractacus potts for referring to my comments on the socio-cultural presence of Jews in Bond films without somehow insinuating I have an attic full of Nazi memorabilia including a flag I drape myself in where I down vodka shots and sing songs to the Motherland every night...
Actually, there is a fascinating element to it - Ken Adam was a Jewish German emigre who fought in the Battle of Britain and who's to say his mock volcano in You Only Live Twice doesn't carry elements of those V2 rocket bases one sees in films like The Guns of Naverone and that one with George Peppard, name escapes me. It even is redolent of Ian Fleming's voiced fear in Thrilling Cities two decades after the war that the Germans may still want to launch such an attack; this was the premise of the novel Moonraker of course. Just about all those early villains could have been in those World War II movies, they have that sort of grand evil going on, it's on another scale, ends with Max Zorin I guess. (Yaphet Kotto appears the exception though he does turn up as a good guy in Raiders of the Lost Ark doesn't he, as the submarine captain?) You can't imagine Dalton or Brosnan's villains being in a World War II thriller, it's relative humdrum stuff. Hitler no longer cast his shadow.
Perhaps it's more that those later villains just don't seem to be part of any larger network, not really. They are individual rogues. Otherwise, tbf, Pryce's Carver would make an excellent Nazi officer really but in Tomorrow Never Dies the evil he represents is just his own, kill him and it's over.
But my main thing with my review was - for over an hour we've no idea what the submarine captain saw in the pre-credits! And The Spy Who Loved Me plays with the overall plot and the underlying theme very nicely, better than most other films.
Don't worry NP, I also read your thoughts and commentary as intended👍️
Nazi, Anti-semitism and Fascist views and history have been referenced in all genres of cinema for years. Some more obvious than others of course, the biggest probably being Star Wars. It's impossible for creators of fiction not to be hugely influenced from the world's darkest hours and the lowest ebb of human history. It is the ultimate good v evil narrative. Sadly, I think Hitler's and other genocidal maniac's shadow is still there..
Just listen to Bond's line in NTTD; "History isn't kind to men who play God".
I'm sure Ian Fleming and Ken Adam must have been influenced by the V2 bases. Before 1944, was there any known or pictorial reference of a rocket base..?
btw It wasn't Yaphet Kotto in Raiders btw, it was George Harris. A fine actor.
Watched Licence To Kill on ITV4 yesterday…it started around 6pm and was SO heavily cut it ended by about 6:30pm 😡
I do like it when Bond films are on TV mid week as it just feels so relaxed and guilt free, but the cuts and quantity of advert breaks are annoying😤
What made you think the two scientists were Jewish ? I assumed they were German [Bechmann and Markowitz] I agree they certainly could be Jewish, but are they? Is this something Christopher Wood put in the novel ?
No, it's not in the novel.
Hi @chrisno1 I don't know, I was reaching around for examples. I mean, I don't know if the two financiers in Spy are Jewish, they sort of look it thought that observation might seem a bit off., I'm just referring to sort of a stereotype. Or is it? I'm kind of talking about an image here. I mean, someone told me in reference to this thread, well Jane Seymour's Jewish. Is she? I don't know, but like Jill St John, she doesn't present that way, it's an image thing. It's nebulous.
The sort of self-depecrating thing... I think actually Harrison Ford does do it a bit as Indy... Other than that, I dunno, I suppose I could make that that Airplane! joke about the passenger requesting a little light reading when it comes to action heroes. I think the image thing might have been referenced in that Tarantino film Ingloroius Basterds...
You could say also that the white working classes are unrepresented in the films... but that's not quite true on reflection as they tend to turn up as military personnel, such as the grotty lads in the submarine playing chess, or getting chained to the ATAK in For Your Eyes Only. Or in Q's workshop - or even as Q, in NSNA. Other than that though it's not a world they're encouraged to inhabit.