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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 9,713MI6 Agent
    edited July 2021

    Hmm, only some of my meticulously sourced photos are coming up! What's going on there - they were there last night. [Edit: They're now back...]

    I could be wrong, but I think one of those financiers (the Ernie Wist as opposed to the tall Eric Morecambe one) pops up in the The Counterfeiters, an acclaimed drama filmed decades later and set in a concentration camp.

    I think the only suggestion of a Jewish presence in the films seems to be these boffin types that get wheeled on from time to time - whether the actors who play them are actually Jewish I don't know. The two in the Venice lab who die after Bond's incursion, for instance. In contrast, the MI6 headquarters over several decades is largely of a kind. Otherwise the whole thing - whether actually Israeli or as a sociological presence or outlook on life - is absent in a series that usually celebrates diversity.

    The snobbery thing ought to be an enjoyable subtext in OHMSS and I suppose is there as written but it doesn't hit home for me - I think I might have worked better with Connery in the role.

    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • The Red KindThe Red Kind EnglandPosts: 2,625MI6 Agent

    Thanks NP. Very interesting thoughts. A lot of work has gone into that!

    TSWLM is always in my top three (it vies with OHMSS and FRWL). Roger will always be my favourite Bond and this film just has everything for me. The car chase with the Esprit and Helicopter side by side is still my favourite moment in Bond movie history.

    Even though this film is from 1977 is still feels modern for me, contextually. Roger is at his peak. Jaws is a revelation and still fascinates kids seeing him for the first time. The locations don't look dated, as they're timeless anyway (the scene at Faslane is great and could have been filmed yesterday). The Esprit was years ahead of its time and still looks awesome. The Bell Jet Ranger has stayed (pretty much) the same since its launch.

    I remember as a child the Bond films on TV in the late seventies, early eighties, were often Connery's, which for me felt a little bit dated and of an era I didn't associate with, so whenever one of Roger's films came on, they just felt modern, new and exciting. TSWLM, MR and FYEO are all just such fun and take me back to a wonderful time.

    Barbara Bach is just out of this world, and I do get your 'soft porn star' point. It might be the nice 70's hairstyle and her revealing clothing throughout the film, I love both btw😍

    I have never once thought about the scientists being Jewish. Not sure if I should, or think too much into that?

    The film does draw from other films and genres in places, obviously the similarities with YOLT have been discussed at length, but I don't mind that. It's done in a different way and works.

    I only have two negatives with TSWLM, one is Stromberg, as generally agreed, the character doesn't have enough depth. Second is the piece whilst they're trying to break into Stromberg's control centre. I just find it drags a bit.

    All in all, a truly great Bond film and if I could watch one more before meeting my maker, this would be it.

    This man really did have the best job in the whole world..😊;


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  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 3,394MI6 Agent

    excellent work Napoleon! lotsa discussion points in there to keep us busy!

    Jaws too scary for a Bond film? a character named Agent XXX too sexy? as this was my first Bondfilm ever, they are exactly scary and sexy as a henchman or Bondgirl oughta be. After starting with this film none of the others were scary or sexy enough.


    There were a lot of antisemitic stereotypes in the In the spy novels of the prewar era, The 39 Steps, Bulldog Drummond, early Saint novels. Jewish financiers who secretly ran the world and were ultimately responsible for the buildup to war. Tintin also, Herge rewrote at least two of his Tintin books in later years to remove those stereotypes. That's one of the more embarrassing aspects of early spy fiction, especially since they got the villains 180 degrees wrong. I think after the war, and acknowledgement of the Holocaust, the creators of a popular spyfilm series may have tried to be distance themselves from the most offensive of prewar spystory stereotypes, but maybe to the extent that Jewish people were not represented at all. (overemotional Latin types were fair game, but the filmmaker was named Broccoli after all so he's allowed)

  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 3,394MI6 Agent
    edited July 2021

    napster said:

    Hmm, only some of my meticulously sourced photos are coming up! What's going on there - they were there last night.

    I think in some cases, the display of images is dependent on cookies. Meaning if you open another website, its cookies are in your browser memory. and when you imagelink to that other site from ajb007, you can see the image in your post because you still have those cookies. The rest of us can't see it because we don't have the cookies from the other website in our browser memory. Just a hypothesis.

    I test for this problem by opening the ajb007 page in a second browser. The second browser wont have the cookies in memory, If the images don't appear there, I know nobody else can see them either and I need to find another source.


    In this new forum software we can paste our own images in directly from our harddrive, which we couldnt do before. When I want to include an image, instead of imagelinking, I save it to a temporary folder on my harddrive and then drag or paste it into my post. Or sometimes I can just copy and paste directly from another website into my post. That's much more reliable, and we don't have to worry about some other site going down in the future. (but we may one day have to worry about ajb007 getting overloaded with big image files)

  • chrisno1chrisno1 LondonPosts: 2,053MI6 Agent

    @Napoleon Plural 🍸🍸🍸🍸🍸

    Five martinis for that review !

  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 9,713MI6 Agent

    Cheers back!

    The photos were on my desktop - however I promptly put them in the bin and deleted them, so that may the reason some don't exist. I'll try to reinstate them.

    Kudos to @caractacus potts for referring to my comments on the socio-cultural presence of Jews in Bond films without somehow insinuating I have an attic full of Nazi memorabilia including a flag I drape myself in where I down vodka shots and sing songs to the Motherland every night...

    Actually, there is a fascinating element to it - Ken Adam was a Jewish German emigre who fought in the Battle of Britain and who's to say his mock volcano in You Only Live Twice doesn't carry elements of those V2 rocket bases one sees in films like The Guns of Naverone and that one with George Peppard, name escapes me. It even is redolent of Ian Fleming's voiced fear in Thrilling Cities two decades after the war that the Germans may still want to launch such an attack; this was the premise of the novel Moonraker of course. Just about all those early villains could have been in those World War II movies, they have that sort of grand evil going on, it's on another scale, ends with Max Zorin I guess. (Yaphet Kotto appears the exception though he does turn up as a good guy in Raiders of the Lost Ark doesn't he, as the submarine captain?) You can't imagine Dalton or Brosnan's villains being in a World War II thriller, it's relative humdrum stuff. Hitler no longer cast his shadow.

    Perhaps it's more that those later villains just don't seem to be part of any larger network, not really. They are individual rogues. Otherwise, tbf, Pryce's Carver would make an excellent Nazi officer really but in Tomorrow Never Dies the evil he represents is just his own, kill him and it's over.

    But my main thing with my review was - for over an hour we've no idea what the submarine captain saw in the pre-credits! And The Spy Who Loved Me plays with the overall plot and the underlying theme very nicely, better than most other films.

    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • The Red KindThe Red Kind EnglandPosts: 2,625MI6 Agent
    edited July 2021

    Don't worry NP, I also read your thoughts and commentary as intended👍️

    Nazi, Anti-semitism and Fascist views and history have been referenced in all genres of cinema for years. Some more obvious than others of course, the biggest probably being Star Wars. It's impossible for creators of fiction not to be hugely influenced from the world's darkest hours and the lowest ebb of human history. It is the ultimate good v evil narrative. Sadly, I think Hitler's and other genocidal maniac's shadow is still there..

    Just listen to Bond's line in NTTD; "History isn't kind to men who play God".

    I'm sure Ian Fleming and Ken Adam must have been influenced by the V2 bases. Before 1944, was there any known or pictorial reference of a rocket base..?

    btw It wasn't Yaphet Kotto in Raiders btw, it was George Harris. A fine actor.

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  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 25,627Chief of Staff

    Watched Licence To Kill on ITV4 yesterday…it started around 6pm and was SO heavily cut it ended by about 6:30pm 😡

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  • The Red KindThe Red Kind EnglandPosts: 2,625MI6 Agent
    edited July 2021

    I do like it when Bond films are on TV mid week as it just feels so relaxed and guilt free, but the cuts and quantity of advert breaks are annoying😤

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  • chrisno1chrisno1 LondonPosts: 2,053MI6 Agent

    @Napoleon Plural

    What made you think the two scientists were Jewish ? I assumed they were German [Bechmann and Markowitz] I agree they certainly could be Jewish, but are they? Is this something Christopher Wood put in the novel ?

  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 33,421Chief of Staff

    No, it's not in the novel.

  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 9,713MI6 Agent

    Hi @chrisno1 I don't know, I was reaching around for examples. I mean, I don't know if the two financiers in Spy are Jewish, they sort of look it thought that observation might seem a bit off., I'm just referring to sort of a stereotype. Or is it? I'm kind of talking about an image here. I mean, someone told me in reference to this thread, well Jane Seymour's Jewish. Is she? I don't know, but like Jill St John, she doesn't present that way, it's an image thing. It's nebulous.

    The sort of self-depecrating thing... I think actually Harrison Ford does do it a bit as Indy... Other than that, I dunno, I suppose I could make that that Airplane! joke about the passenger requesting a little light reading when it comes to action heroes. I think the image thing might have been referenced in that Tarantino film Ingloroius Basterds...

    You could say also that the white working classes are unrepresented in the films... but that's not quite true on reflection as they tend to turn up as military personnel, such as the grotty lads in the submarine playing chess, or getting chained to the ATAK in For Your Eyes Only. Or in Q's workshop - or even as Q, in NSNA. Other than that though it's not a world they're encouraged to inhabit.

    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • fire and icefire and ice EarthPosts: 146MI6 Agent

    GE easily the best Brosnan Bond film for me, the other films he did jut get considerably weaker over time for me.

    '...exceptionally fine shot...'
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 9,713MI6 Agent
    edited August 2021

    There is something in this... I can criticise the film all day. But watching a bit of it on telly, it is one of the few Bonds that seems to create its own universe, look, atmosphere. Just the cinematography itself has a particular sheen, a metallic look. It is pleasing.

    I suppose I'm not praising it when I see it works best as a harder, cooler Bond than The Man With The Golden Gun; the scene of Bond and Natalya flying over 006's Cuban island - is that were it is - reminds me of Bond's approach to Scaramanga's island and I don't find GE quite credible enough to find it shades many other films. I'd enjoy it as a companion piece, in fact why not a Golden trilogy with Goldfinger first?

    The Boris character seems a nod of sorts to the black boffin or computer wizz kid in Die Hard, the relationship between Alec and him resembles that of Gruber and said computer nerd: 'You can do the job....?' 'You didn't bring me along for my sparkling personality' - one of many great lines in Die Hard. There's that bit of tension between them, and it is an example of one of the points I made about The Spy Who Loved Me and GoldenEye - that with Bond being off the screen for so long, they had to inject a few scenes reminiscent of other box office hits to make it seem relevant.

    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 33,421Chief of Staff

    A VIEW TO A KILL

    ...on the big screen. Sadly the last in this season. It wasn't a great print either, but I of course enjoyed it. I've never thought of this one as being a Bond that benefitted especially from the cinema experience (YOLT, TSWLM, MR leaping to mind) but it certainly does- the PTS, the Eiffel Tower, even the firetruck chase all were so much more enjoyable and the mine scenes were tense and thrilling.

    Oddly enough, the frequent replacement of Sir Roger with stunt doubles seemed less obvious than on TV, I can't explain why.

    Barry's score sounded magnificent, Walken and Jones filled the screen. My friend, who's not as dedicated a Bond fan as me (big surprise there) thought it a much more grim and serious film than he'd been expecting which I don't think is its usual reputation.

    On the way out I asked the staff for the poster, but they said that wasn't possible. Pity.

  • fire and icefire and ice EarthPosts: 146MI6 Agent

    On a recent rewatch of GE it did occur to me GE has its own unique look and feel for large parts of the film, you can't say that for many of the Bond films.


    Admittedly it borrows a lot from films around at the time, Die Hard 2 immediately springs to mind. In fact I shook my head in disapproval when watching GE in the cinema at the Tiger Helicopter ejector seat escape. Time has been kind to GE.


    Good shout regarding Boris resembling the typical 90's techno geek from Die Hard. Boris is one aspect of the film I ignore not a fan of the character. The passwords that Boris chose did not age well at all 😂


    A Golden Trilogy works, some of the cinematography in GE and TMWTGG is quite similar in the scenes you mentioned.

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  • Bond fan from OzBond fan from Oz Posts: 81MI6 Agent

    SPECTRE. Fourth viewing; it's my favourite Craig Bond.

  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 9,713MI6 Agent

    From Russia With Love on the telly.

    The police siren you hear before Bond and Tanya get on the train sounds awfully similar to the one we hear from the Italian police car before it ends up in the drink in The Italian Job some years later.

    Red Grant is silent but deadly up to the point where he turns garrulous to Bond, as if making up for lost time. Gets a bit chatty.

    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • Bond fan from OzBond fan from Oz Posts: 81MI6 Agent

    GF and TWINE; both today.

    I've always found GF to be average after each viewing; I guess if I had been born much earlier and was among those who saw it in 1964, at the start of Bondmania, I MIGHT have loved it more, but that's something we'll never know.

    TWINE was not bad; what I picked up the most this time was everybody treated the material more seriously than the usual Bond movie. I thought Pierce Brosnan puts in his best performance as Bond in this movie.

  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 9,713MI6 Agent

    The supremely enjoyable Goldfinger, on telly today.

    The way they pick lots of nubile bikinied women for the scene around Miami Beach Hotel...! About 10 in one shot, made to walk past as Leiter is briefing Bond.

    Not terribly competitive fight in the pre-credits - is the guy a foot shorter than Bond? Ditto the pre-credits of Thunderball where he seems to be fighting Jack Lemmon - not inappropriate given he was in drag. 'Nobody's perfect!'

    The thing about GF is much as I enjoy it, there's some dodgy stuff in it. Not just the 'assault' on Pussy Galore. It's the way the film could end earlier is Bond had let Tilly take her shot rather than expose her, thus getting her killed, as he sort of did her sister. He's not a good luck charm, is he?

    Then the whole nonsense of the military coming to life again... if they'd been tipped off by Pussy Galore then just WTF were they doing letting Goldfinger near Fort Knox to plant the bomb anyway? Oh, we know what they're up to, just let them stroll in. Like saying, yeah, we know these Saudis will hijack the planes on 9/11, just let them do that and try to shoot the planes down as they near the WTC.

    If Galore betrayed Goldfinger why is he letting he pilot the plane out of there? There must be better ways of making an escape than trying to hijack the very plane your cunning adversary is on having been booked by the FBI, piloted by the very person who's betrayed you.... Admittedly the film is enjoyable enough you just go with it.

    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • hehadlotsofgutshehadlotsofguts Durham England Posts: 2,095MI6 Agent

    To pay tribute to Honour Blackman on what would've been her 96th birthday, i watched Goldfinger.


    Fantastic Bond film. Think it's the film Sean feels more comfortable in the role as Bond.

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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 9,713MI6 Agent

    The World Is Not Enough, shown on telly last night, is my fave Pierce Brosnan film.

    For all that, I probably prefer dipping into any of his other films.

    Visually, it's a bit dark without being noir-ish. Despite the title it doesn't really traverse the world or make it seem all ecompassing - no Moscow, New York, Dubai. There is something also a bit low key about it. This is a pre-9/11 Bond so the 'threat' is not really there, it's like they're reaching for it a bit. Of course, after 9/11 the threat was all too obvious but they couldn't make Al Quaida the villains for obvious reasons, it would be asking for trouble. Dare I say the sheer visual power of those attacks shook everything up even if we then subsequently had the brash, noisy and obvious Die Another Day. Anyway, I found Brosnan playing it broad in this but tbf it's that kind of film. A comedy thriller. Some great lines in it but also some real clunkers.

    Now watching Thunderball. It's a very talky film aside from when it's underwater. It's like being stuck with a needy date. Bond doesn't shut up - I don't know if there's a talkier Bond film. This despite the plot being very simple and hardly needs explaining.

    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • Lady RoseLady Rose London,UKPosts: 2,577MI6 Agent

    I watched The World Is Not Enough the other night too and really enjoyed it. It had been a while since I saw it. ITV don't show it as often as some of the others and definitely not as much as they show Skyfall 😂

    Sophie Marceau has to be one of the most beautiful Bond girls.

  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 9,713MI6 Agent

    On a nice sunny day, rare this British summer, it's good to watch You Only Live Twice on the telly.

    I enjoyed this showing over a glass of rose and it sped along nicely. A few oddities of course: 'How well do you know your boss Henderson?' 'Not so long that I seem particularly bothered when he gets knifed to death, nor ever feel the need to mention him again!' might be Aki's reply. Tiger Tanaka seems younger and better looking than Connery in this - not hard. That pink shirt he wears while meeting the Ninjas, all of his presentation there, he looks lumbering and overweight. The whole turning Japanese thing is irrelevant as he's not meant to be out and about anyway. The disguise is forgotten about the moment he isn't - when he infiltrates Blofeld's lair and is discovered.

    'You should have killed him yourself when you had the chance!' voiced by Karin Dor might equally apply to Blofeld who later has Bond right there in his sights before choosing to shoot Osato.

    I think ITV streamline the film for telly so cut out some of the boring bits, so that helps!

    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • ichaiceichaice LondonPosts: 512MI6 Agent

    Not a Bond film but great to see Casino Royale star Christina Cole pop up in this weeks episode of Grantchester 👏


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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 9,713MI6 Agent

    OHMSS rolled out on ITV's Sunday Bond season.

    Problematic, every step of the way. Even the wedding - Bond's a bit of a Jimmy No Mates isn't he? Couldn't he even get Felix Leiter as Best Man? It's his office chums and Draco's staff making up the numbers.

    Tracey should have gone off with Blofeld, they had fun chemistry. But no, Bond had to arrange for her father to rescue her, even though - ahem! - she was in no actual danger from Blofeld and the Govt had agreed to pay up. Not even pay up! Just make him a Count. I mean ffs, all you have to do to get that now is pay some money to Prince Charles' Dumfries House and you're in.

    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • WadsyWadsy Auckland, New ZealandPosts: 408MI6 Agent

    On Her Majesty's Secret Service. I am doing a bond marathon with all 24 films in order.

    1. FYEO 2. OHMSS 3. LTK 4. FRWL 5. TSWLM 6. SF 7. TLD 8. SP 9. GF 10. MR 11. AVTAK 12. DN 13. GE 14. CR 15. LALD 16. TB 17. YOLT 18. TND 19. OP 20. TWINE 21. TMWTGG 22. QOS 23. DAF 24. DAD 25. NSNA 26. CR '67

    1. Dalton 2. Moore 3. Connery 4. Craig 5. Lazenby 6. Brosnan
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  • The Domino EffectThe Domino Effect Posts: 3,544MI6 Agent

    Just finished watching Skyfall yet again. As good as ever. Next up is Goldfinger.

  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 33,421Chief of Staff

    Two good choices.

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