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  • JTMJTM Posts: 2,962MI6 Agent
    Today's NYT front page. It's incredible that the Democrats two wins in the Georgia runoff (and subsequently gaining control of the Senate), a huge story, is relegated to a tiny article in the bottom corner...it's been a big day :s

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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,350MI6 Agent
    Trump was singing the same tune prior to the 2016 election about voterfraud - if he‘d lost it back then we‘d have seen the same scenes 4 years earlier.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,544MI6 Agent
    Pipe bombs were found outside the room of both parties and Molotov coctail was also found in the Senate. Some of the mob also shouted "f*ck the blue" at the police. Is this the law and order party?
    The senator deserved credit for taking up their work again as soon as possible.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,350MI6 Agent
    Just seen one of the „invaders“ shouting in a camera „we are all law abiding citizens...“

    Yes, my arse X-(
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 963MI6 Agent
    This sort of thing is going to remain a feature of the Biden government. We have seen 'one side' (as far as the Trump supporters are concerned) rioting and protesting, now they feel it is their turn.

    Somewhere (this is only my opinion) I feel there is work from unfriendly nations. Whether that is stoking anger through the internet, or giving money or other things to set the two sides against each other, but it is in interest of these unfriendly countries to make sure the USA stays in a state of uproar.

    The next big flash point will come when Biden actually becomes the president at the ceremony. Expect much security as Trump supporters try to disrupt.

    My real surprise is that there has not been more incidents involving guns. I hope that will not happen.

    If this 'political warfare' continues, the only winner will be China. I remain convinced that they will be helping to make sure the trouble continues. They have taken over large parts of Africa with their own brand of economic imperialism. With the US (and Europe with Covid) out of the way they can expand further and much more quickly.
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 4,050MI6 Agent
    edited January 7
    I suppose this has been mentioned at one point but isn't it amazing that if Trump were the guy he says he is, the great A+ persona with a great presidency behind him, none of this would have happened. That is to say, he'd have won the Election by a landslide.

    What I love is that literally only yesterday when he was stirring up the crowd, he told them he'd be walking to the Capitol with them. Just another straight, simple bare-faced lie that they can't even see.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,544MI6 Agent
    Joshua wrote:
    This sort of thing is going to remain a feature of the Biden government. We have seen 'one side' (as far as the Trump supporters are concerned) rioting and protesting, now they feel it is their turn.

    Somewhere (this is only my opinion) I feel there is work from unfriendly nations. Whether that is stoking anger through the internet, or giving money or other things to set the two sides against each other, but it is in interest of these unfriendly countries to make sure the USA stays in a state of uproar.

    The next big flash point will come when Biden actually becomes the president at the ceremony. Expect much security as Trump supporters try to disrupt.

    My real surprise is that there has not been more incidents involving guns. I hope that will not happen.

    If this 'political warfare' continues, the only winner will be China. I remain convinced that they will be helping to make sure the trouble continues. They have taken over large parts of Africa with their own brand of economic imperialism. With the US (and Europe with Covid) out of the way they can expand further and much more quickly.

    Russia is also a big winner after yesterday's events. Putin may have had the best day of his presidency.
    I agree it's a relief there was "only" one shooting. There is good reason to belive the people in the mob own a lot of guns, including military grade weapons.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,544MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Pipe bombs were found outside the room of both parties and Molotov coctail was also found in the Senate. Some of the mob also shouted "f*ck the blue" at the police. Is this the law and order party?
    The senator deserved credit for taking up their work again as soon as possible.

    The Molotov coctail was found near the Congress building, not inside the Senate.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,544MI6 Agent
    Christian Thybring-Gjedde, the Norwegian member of parlament who nominated Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize, now says it looks like Trump is mentally unstable.
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 4,050MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Joshua wrote:
    This sort of thing is going to remain a feature of the Biden government. We have seen 'one side' (as far as the Trump supporters are concerned) rioting and protesting, now they feel it is their turn.

    Somewhere (this is only my opinion) I feel there is work from unfriendly nations. Whether that is stoking anger through the internet, or giving money or other things to set the two sides against each other, but it is in interest of these unfriendly countries to make sure the USA stays in a state of uproar.

    The next big flash point will come when Biden actually becomes the president at the ceremony. Expect much security as Trump supporters try to disrupt.

    My real surprise is that there has not been more incidents involving guns. I hope that will not happen.

    If this 'political warfare' continues, the only winner will be China. I remain convinced that they will be helping to make sure the trouble continues. They have taken over large parts of Africa with their own brand of economic imperialism. With the US (and Europe with Covid) out of the way they can expand further and much more quickly.

    Russia is also a big winner after yesterday's events. Putin may have had the best day of his presidency.
    I agree it's a relief there was "only" one shooting. There is good reason to belive the people in the mob own a lot of guns, including military grade weapons.

    Lots of them cosplay as soldiers in all their camo gear. It's kind of tragic.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,544MI6 Agent
    I just heard on TV that a new poll shows half of the Republican voters support the people who broke into the Senate. This shows the Republican party is in deep trouble in more than one way.
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 4,050MI6 Agent
    Facebook and Instagram have blocked him for the next two weeks at least now, not sure about Twitter.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,350MI6 Agent
    Now some Republicans feel the need to distance themselfs from Trump.
    What cowards - and I mean you Mulvaney and Barr and others.

    You have been close to Trump for the last 4 years, you knew exactly how he is and he has not changed a bit.
    And now 13 days before your term is over anyhow you pull yourselfs together and leave the sinking ship. How appalling, how dare you!

    Instead, you should do everything in your power to get the man impeached in the next days and prevent him of damaging your country even further until Jan. 20 and probably rerun for office in 4 years and in the meantime even further divide the people.
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Ens007Ens007 EnglandPosts: 863MI6 Agent
    emtiem wrote:
    Facebook and Instagram have blocked him for the next two weeks at least now, not sure about Twitter.

    Just wonder whether they will show consistency with this approach taken. Social media seems to be a right old cesspit for both left & right wing ranters.

    Good luck to America over the next few years ... as an outsider, I truly hope that the vast chasm of divide that is present can be somehow bridged - however I sadly doubt it.
  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 2,940MI6 Agent
    My completely non-expert opinion:

    The Republican party is going to have a split between the rational and the far-right. We're already seeing it in action and I think the split will only become more pronounced in the next year. I would not be surprised if a new party forms and the GOP is left flailing for a few years while both sides try and reconcile.

    The independent voters are the ones who sway major elections. The Democrat base and the Republican base will always vote for their candidates but the independents can be courted in either direction. What happened yesterday is going to hurt enthusiasm for voting Republican for a while. As such, I think the Democratic party will have a few years of grace as long as they don't do anything stupid.
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  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 4,050MI6 Agent
    Gymkata wrote:
    What happened yesterday is going to hurt enthusiasm for voting Republican for a while.

    Well you've had their leader telling his supporters that voting doesn't work because the system is fixed, which is an impressive way to tell your own voters not to bother voting for you. I wonder why they're suddenly losing everything...
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,350MI6 Agent
    edited January 7
    Joe Biden said something very wrong imo yesterday.
    „This is not who we are“
    With all respect, sir - this IS the United States! Over 74 million votes went to Trump - knowing what they‘d get.

    Donald Trump Junior said something very true yesterday ( and I hate to say it - he‘s right!)

    About the Republicans: „This isn‘t their Republican party anymore - this is Donald Trump‘s Republican Party! “
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,544MI6 Agent
    Gymkata wrote:
    My completely non-expert opinion:

    The Republican party is going to have a split between the rational and the far-right. We're already seeing it in action and I think the split will only become more pronounced in the next year. I would not be surprised if a new party forms and the GOP is left flailing for a few years while both sides try and reconcile.

    The independent voters are the ones who sway major elections. The Democrat base and the Republican base will always vote for their candidates but the independents can be courted in either direction. What happened yesterday is going to hurt enthusiasm for voting Republican for a while. As such, I think the Democratic party will have a few years of grace as long as they don't do anything stupid.

    Both major parties cover so much political ground, I'd say the two of them would be four to six parties in Europe. The problem is - if the Republicanssplit up they know it will be decades before the Democrats lose the White House.
    Possibly the more moderate part of a split Republican party can attract centerist Democrat voters?
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,544MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Number24 wrote:
    Pipe bombs were found outside the room of both parties and Molotov coctail was also found in the Senate. Some of the mob also shouted "f*ck the blue" at the police. Is this the law and order party?
    The senator deserved credit for taking up their work again as soon as possible.

    The Molotov coctail was found near the Congress building, not inside the Senate.

    More than fifty police officers were injured by the mob. Trump said: "We love you. You're special people" while they were fighting the police. Law and order party..... Yeah right!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,696MI6 Agent
    Injured police and pipe bombs ? Are you sure this wasn't one of those Peaceful protests they've had
    for months. You know the peaceful looting and stealing, and Peaceful firebombing of Businesses ?...
    .... Just asking :p
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,350MI6 Agent
    I was not aware that BLM protesters stormed the Capitol to stop a constitutional act to confirm a newly elected president.

    And when the looting and rioting from some individuals started, Trump immediately called the National Guard. Yesterday, he refused to call them, Pence did.

    Any may I recall how a totally peaceful gathering in front of the White House was attacked by using the military, just because Trump did not like it and wanted his photo op with the bible in his hand.

    Again, just another attempt to simplify and compare 2 cases that are totally different!
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,544MI6 Agent
    I agree the rioting by BLM was get the strong reaction it deserved. But as serious as it is, burning businesses is not nearly as serious as violently breaking into the Senate armed with rifles and pipe bombs to stop the president elect from becoming the president.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,350MI6 Agent
    Also, yesterday, the peaceful protesters where not attacked by police or others, they just cleared the Capitol from the violent protesters.

    During the BLM when the riots happened, even peaceful protesters where heavily attacked.

    Apples and Oranges....
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    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Ens007Ens007 EnglandPosts: 863MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I agree the rioting by BLM was get the strong reaction it deserved. But as serious as it is, burning businesses is not nearly as serious as violently breaking into the Senate armed with rifles and pipe bombs to stop the president elect from becoming the president.

    Try telling that to the poor people who lost everything & will struggle to rebuild their livelihoods - all through absolutely zero fault of their own.

    Surely we are not getting in to the realms of saying one form of rioting is better than another?!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,696MI6 Agent
    Just trying to educate myself so thanks
    It's different when people you agree with attack the police and riot. Thanks again guys -{
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,350MI6 Agent
    edited January 7
    point —-> missed.
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  • Ens007Ens007 EnglandPosts: 863MI6 Agent
    And so it starts yet again ... 8-)
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,544MI6 Agent
    No, I'm saying one violent act is more dangerous for the democracy in the US than the other. I made it clear that the BLM rioting was serious in my post. It was a political and moral mistake by the Democrat leadership not distance themselves very clearly from the rioting and the arsony that happened.
    But what happened last night was a direct attack on US democracy and the institution of the Congress and it was instigated and defended by the president of the United States. This is Watergate level serious.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,350MI6 Agent
    Are you sure this wasn't one of those Peaceful protests they've had
    for months. You know the peaceful looting and stealing, and Peaceful firebombing of Businesses ?...
    .... p

    Whatabout.....?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
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  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 963MI6 Agent
    Ens007 wrote:
    Surely we are not getting in to the realms of saying one form of rioting is better than another?!

    You have stumbled upon a very good point, a point which exposes much of what is wrong today. Violence, rioting etc is acceptable to many people, just so long as it is done under their flag. They use it as a tool but give it another name, 'direct action' of such like. It's only when the opposing side does exactly the same thing does it become a riot and an 'outrage'. This unacceptable behaviour flip flops between both sides and creates even more anger, hatred and division to the point where they do not even know what they're fighting about in the end.

    This will not go away. It will only intensify. There will be much heartache, violence and most likely loss of life ahead. Biden will never take the many millions of Trump supporters with him just as Trump could never take Biden supporters. The polarisation is complete and will be maintained for years to come. It will take a better leader than the USA has anywhere in it's system to take hold and bring the country together.

    Meanwhile those who are behind it all, but stay in the shadows, sit by and watch this great game of chess play out.
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