The Turnbull & Asser Grand Tie Project

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  • JTMJTM Posts: 2,962MI6 Agent
    Great project Blair! It's excellent to see that T&A and so supportive of it -{
    Why do I seem to recall a member's collection including all of those :s

    I believe 006 has a couple—his incredible collection thread https://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/49272/the-ties-that-bond/ But obviously he'd have to be asked first as he might not still have them, can't send them in etc
  • 006006 Posts: 214MI6 Agent
    JTM wrote:
    Great project Blair! It's excellent to see that T&A and so supportive of it -{
    Why do I seem to recall a member's collection including all of those :s

    I believe 006 has a couple—his incredible collection thread https://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/49272/the-ties-that-bond/ But obviously he'd have to be asked first as he might not still have them, can't send them in etc

    Morning all,

    Just stumbled upon this thread, what a fantastic project!!

    I do have the Sulka GoldenEye alternative, I also have an alternative version of the Vesper Train tie in Casino Royale by Brioni. The colour and pattern are the same, however the square design is smaller than the screen accurate version.

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    More than happy to lend the ties, whilst they may not be 100% accurate, some details such as width length, colour, and weave may assist in recreating these ties.

    Personally I would love to see the Bilbao tie from TWINE and the copper/blue from TND.
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  • The Bond VivantThe Bond Vivant SeendPosts: 1,126MI6 Agent
    It is a mighty fine looking tie. Thanks for that, urhash. We must try and get that one into production. Any further clues or owners coming forward would be great.

    Cheers, all.

    Blair
    urhash wrote:
    https://i.ibb.co/ygp1XSH/brosnan.png

    Here you go gents.

    On the prior page, the caption reads: "Pierce Brosnan, on one of the Goldeneye sets, photographed by John Stoddart, in a style reminiscent of the studio portraits of the Forties and Fifties stars"
  • The Bond VivantThe Bond Vivant SeendPosts: 1,126MI6 Agent
    That is a beauty, 006! Definitely interested in letting the lab boys see what they can do.

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    006 wrote:
    JTM wrote:
    Great project Blair! It's excellent to see that T&A and so supportive of it -{
    Why do I seem to recall a member's collection including all of those :s

    I believe 006 has a couple—his incredible collection thread https://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/49272/the-ties-that-bond/ But obviously he'd have to be asked first as he might not still have them, can't send them in etc

    Morning all,

    Just stumbled upon this thread, what a fantastic project!!

    I do have the Sulka GoldenEye alternative, I also have an alternative version of the Vesper Train tie in Casino Royale by Brioni. The colour and pattern are the same, however the square design is smaller than the screen accurate version.

    0541.jpg
    0542.jpg

    More than happy to lend the ties, whilst they may not be 100% accurate, some details such as width length, colour, and weave may assist in recreating these ties.

    Personally I would love to see the Bilbao tie from TWINE and the copper/blue from TND.
  • Dirty PunkerDirty Punker ...Your Eyes Only, darling."Posts: 2,586MI6 Agent
    I'm only slightly concerned that neckties are part of the respective brand's creative cache, and having another brand copying it is...illegal?
    Might've read that somewhere. Is that a concern for this project?
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,522MI6 Agent
    I'm only slightly concerned that neckties are part of the respective brand's creative cache, and having another brand copying it is...illegal?
    Might've read that somewhere. Is that a concern for this project?

    I'm glad you brought this up. It is legal to copy clothing design. You can copy another's collar or cocktail cuff design or the shape of a necktie and not be sued. But prints and designs are copyrightable. I don't imagine that T&A will have problems replicating their own patterns. But to be honest, I'm surprised they are willing to copy designs that other brands produced, not just because of legal reasons. Does T&A know that half of Brosnan's Bond ties were not theirs? If they want to replicate others' ties, I am certainly not going to complain. And it also seems unlikely that any of the brands who originally made Brosnan's ties would complain either because it's unlikely they would notice 25 years later.
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  • urhashurhash USPosts: 923MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    And it also seems unlikely that any of the brands who originally made Brosnan's ties would complain either because it's unlikely they would notice 25 years later.

    ... or are out of business :))
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,522MI6 Agent
    urhash wrote:
    Matt S wrote:
    And it also seems unlikely that any of the brands who originally made Brosnan's ties would complain either because it's unlikely they would notice 25 years later.

    ... or are out of business :))

    The Sulka, Herbie Frogg and Simpsons of Piccadilly names are still in use or are owned by someone. The current Sulka brand, I believe, is far removed from the ownership of the old company.
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  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 9,851MI6 Agent
    edited April 2019
    Interesting that Simpsons made the Goldeneye!

    I definitely saw it on eBay in a diff colour under Sulka.

    Maybe Lindy got it custom made by Simpsons in her own colour scheme???? Kind of like what happened with Spectre regarding the jackets?
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  • Dirty PunkerDirty Punker ...Your Eyes Only, darling."Posts: 2,586MI6 Agent
    But yet still, they exist.
    Matt S wrote:
    But to be honest, I'm surprised they are willing to copy designs that other brands produced, not just because of legal reasons. Does T&A know that half of Brosnan's Bond ties were not theirs? If they want to replicate others' ties, I am certainly not going to complain.
    The very same reason I brought that up.

    Neither will anyone on this forum, from the looks of things :007)
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,522MI6 Agent
    welshboy78 wrote:
    Interesting that Simpsons made the Goldeneye!

    I definitely saw it on eBay in a diff colour under Sulka.

    Maybe Lindy got it custom made by Simpsons in her own colour scheme???? Kind of like what happened with Spectre regarding the jackets?

    These brands likely did not make their own ties. The same silk maker (such as Vanners) likely weaved the silk and possibly made the ties and sold the silk or finished ties to multiple brands. Not all brands are concerned about exclusivity.
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  • Charmed & DangerousCharmed & Dangerous Posts: 7,039MI6 Agent
    welshboy78 wrote:
    Interesting that Simpsons made the Goldeneye!

    I definitely saw it on eBay in a diff colour under Sulka.

    Maybe Lindy got it custom made by Simpsons in her own colour scheme???? Kind of like what happened with Spectre regarding the jackets?

    I'm not getting the sense from that article that Simpsons definitely made the tie under discussion (the tank tie). The article just says "... and a Simpson of Piccadilly patterned silk tie labelled "1995 GOLDENEYE PIERCE BROSNAN"". Bearing in mind there were several other ties in the film from different manufacturers, the Simpsons one in the photo doesn't appear in the film, and the tank tie could still be by Sulka. I bought an incredibly similar one at Benson & Clegg of Piccadilly Arcade a couple of years after Goldeneye was made, there were a few around at that time.
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  • BondClothingBondClothing Posts: 338MI6 Agent
    The tank tie is 100% by Sulka.
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  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 9,851MI6 Agent
    welshboy78 wrote:
    Interesting that Simpsons made the Goldeneye!

    I definitely saw it on eBay in a diff colour under Sulka.

    Maybe Lindy got it custom made by Simpsons in her own colour scheme???? Kind of like what happened with Spectre regarding the jackets?

    I'm not getting the sense from that article that Simpsons definitely made the tie under discussion (the tank tie). The article just says "... and a Simpson of Piccadilly patterned silk tie labelled "1995 GOLDENEYE PIERCE BROSNAN"". Bearing in mind there were several other ties in the film from different manufacturers, the Simpsons one in the photo doesn't appear in the film, and the tank tie could still be by Sulka. I bought an incredibly similar one at Benson & Clegg of Piccadilly Arcade a couple of years after Goldeneye was made, there were a few around at that time.

    I assumed they were referring to the one pictured and auctioned. Is that not the tank tie?
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,522MI6 Agent
    welshboy78 wrote:
    welshboy78 wrote:
    Interesting that Simpsons made the Goldeneye!

    I definitely saw it on eBay in a diff colour under Sulka.

    Maybe Lindy got it custom made by Simpsons in her own colour scheme???? Kind of like what happened with Spectre regarding the jackets?

    I'm not getting the sense from that article that Simpsons definitely made the tie under discussion (the tank tie). The article just says "... and a Simpson of Piccadilly patterned silk tie labelled "1995 GOLDENEYE PIERCE BROSNAN"". Bearing in mind there were several other ties in the film from different manufacturers, the Simpsons one in the photo doesn't appear in the film, and the tank tie could still be by Sulka. I bought an incredibly similar one at Benson & Clegg of Piccadilly Arcade a couple of years after Goldeneye was made, there were a few around at that time.

    I assumed they were referring to the one pictured and auctioned. Is that not the tank tie?

    No, the tie at auction was used in promotional photos. I thought you were talking about that one, not the tank tie.
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  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 9,851MI6 Agent
    Ah sorry - I assumed it was the tank tie in the pic!!! Should of opened the thumbnail
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  • urhashurhash USPosts: 923MI6 Agent
    While T&A are mining 1990s Brosnan nostalgia, I wonder if they have any interest in reissuing ties from the Thomas Crown Affair?
  • The Bond VivantThe Bond Vivant SeendPosts: 1,126MI6 Agent
    Just to answer a few queries raised:
    Most of the ties we are looking to recreate are T&A exclusive designs, which means there are no rules against replicating our own designs.
    In the case of certain designs from Goldeneye, and Casino Royale, the patterns are not necessarily exclusive, because almost identical patterns have already been located in the T&A archives, from dates in the 1990’s. Hence, by examining an original tie against the archive pattern, we can establish any differences, if any exist.

    T&A also never replicate anything exactly. All the ties will be interpretations of the originals, rather than the originals themselves. They will all be intricately woven jacquard weave, similar to their current Bond ties, whether the originals were woven this way or not. The silk will be 320 picks, rather than 270 as was common in the 1990’s, meaning that the ties will also have a thicker feel to them than the originals. In cases where ties are also dull in colour, shading is adjusted to provide an almost reflective sheen to the ties. It makes the colours feel more electric.

    Other firms also already exist which provide interpretations of ties rather than the originals, such as Magnoli Clothiers.

    Finally, I would reiterate that this is the prototype sample phase of the project. The ties may not even start to receive release dates for another 18 months - 2 years. Some may be listed as ‘Bond’ ties, some may not receive this status and just be added to the ‘Classic’ range of ties. Others may not receive the go ahead, which means that the sample batch for that design may be the only batch ever made.

    Hence, extremely kind members who do decide to help us and lend us their wonderful ties, will receive a free example of a tie from the early batches that are made, plus we pay for any postage and packing costs. We hope to start with all the designs that were originally made by T&A anyway, and if we generate enough support and momentum from fans, we may provide interpretations of others as well.

    I think it’s important to emphasise though that our main aim is to reproduce all the wonderful T&A designs that 007 fans have not been able to buy for 25 years. At the same time we’ll look into the other Brosnan designs of the period, but it’s not my decision as to whether all ties enter production. My main aim is to get a batch of samples for each design. Similarly, to be accepted as a ‘Bond’ tie T&A have to get the ok from EON, so I expect there’s a longer process ahead.
  • cyclones122cyclones122 Posts: 187MI6 Agent
    You sold the copper Hamburg tie to to me Welshboy, and I still have it. It is one of the prized pieces of my collection! I would be more than happy to help out with getting it replicated for others. Blair, I will reach out to you and coordinate with what you would like to do.



    welshboy78 wrote:
    Hi Blair

    As mentioned in emails I had the copper Hamburg tie and sold it here but the PMs are long gone so forgot who to :#

    Also I won the DAD British Airways flight tie on eBay but the seller sent my tie to another buyer and I got his tie instead

    David Schofield who I believe sadly passed away told me many years ago he had many of the Brosnan ties stored away (I think he said in Spain)

    Anyhow hopefully many AJBers come forward to help. There was of course the dude who recently advertised stuff in advance of his eBay auction however I hear he has dissapeared
  • urhashurhash USPosts: 923MI6 Agent
    Blair, any luck acquiring the Bilbao tie for loan?
  • urhashurhash USPosts: 923MI6 Agent
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    Here's another pic from the same collection by John Stoddart with the Goldeneye statue props as background. There's probably higher resolution pics of this floating somewhere...
  • casino_royalecasino_royale Posts: 200MI6 Agent
    Hi Blair,

    I am curious if you have perhaps some news about this project. Of course I hope this project will be a success. Will the project also contain any of the Turnbull & Asser 'Casino Royale' ties?

    Thanks for the update!
  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 9,851MI6 Agent
    Will the project also contain any of the Turnbull & Asser 'Casino Royale' ties?

    Was there any apart from the bow tie?
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  • casino_royalecasino_royale Posts: 200MI6 Agent
    edited May 2019
    Welshboy78,

    if I am right, Turnbull & Asser made the 'Casino Royale' train tie and the tie when Bond meets Mathis. Or was it Brioni, perhaps someone can tell me more about this.
  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 9,851MI6 Agent
    Welshboy78,

    if I am right, Turnbull & Asser made the 'Casino Royale' train tie and the tie when Bond meets Mathis.

    I dont believe that is the case. Think the train one is Brioni and the Mathis one is well speculated with Brioni, Charvet, Ted Baker mentioned.

    I think T&A would have milked the ties if it had been them
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  • casino_royalecasino_royale Posts: 200MI6 Agent
    Yes, you are right. Sorry for the mistake.

    welshboy78 wrote:
    Welshboy78,

    if I am right, Turnbull & Asser made the 'Casino Royale' train tie and the tie when Bond meets Mathis.

    I dont believe that is the case. Think the train one is Brioni and the Mathis one is well speculated with Brioni, Charvet, Ted Baker mentioned.

    I think T&A would have milked the ties if it had been them
  • The Bond VivantThe Bond Vivant SeendPosts: 1,126MI6 Agent
    At this stage we've got the Rubyeon tie being analysed, and the Copper Hamburg Arrival tie is en route from The States. The Bilbao tie material has been tracked down in the archive, as has the Moneypenny tie. All very exciting, but we are some way off production samples yet.
  • casino_royalecasino_royale Posts: 200MI6 Agent
    edited May 2019
    Thanks for the update and your effort Blair. I am happy to read that you make progress and that the project is still going on. I am looking forward to the next update.


    At this stage we've got the Rubyeon tie being analysed, and the Copper Hamburg Arrival tie is en route from The States. The Bilbao tie material has been tracked down in the archive, as has the Moneypenny tie. All very exciting, but we are some way off production samples yet.
  • The Bond VivantThe Bond Vivant SeendPosts: 1,126MI6 Agent
    Just a quick update on this exciting project with Turnbull & Asser. I can let you know that the order for ‘Sample Batch 1’ was submitted yesterday. The project has created a buzz. Everyone is in awe of the first tie tie on loan from one of the members on this forum tie, and while my colleague was taking measurements and a few photographs, it received a lot of compliments.

    Hence, in terms of details, the order is for 2 sample batches of 2 designs (the Hong Kong Rubyeon and the Bilbao Zigzag tie). Each tie will be 57 inches in length with a 9.5cm blade width. We have requested that the ‘Tipping’ (ie the section of lining at the back of the tie) features ‘Turnbull & Asser’ discreetly woven into it, just like the originals. However, the T&A label will be moved to the back of the blade, below the ‘Keeper’, (the loop at the back of each tie).

    The second batch of 2 designs will hopefully include the Copper Hamburg Arrival Tie and one other, currently under discussion.
     
    Turnbull & Asser have provided a conservative estimation that it will take around 2 months to produce the ties, but this is very much dependant upon how long the silk mill takes to  reproduce the fabrics. Hence, it may take a little longer if something is not reproduced correctly, but we want to make sure everything is 100% perfect!

    There will be approximately 7 of each tie available to buy of this initial sample batch, but we’re not taking orders yet until we’ve got clarification of the fabric back from the silk mill. Prices are not known yet, but as it’s unlikely that these ties will see a release date in Turnbull & Asser stores within the next 3 years, so buyers of one of these initial samples are effectively purchasing an extremely limited edition item.

    Here are some pictures of the Rubyeon Tie that is ready to be sent to the silk mill to be placed on CAD (Computer Aided Design).

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  • urhashurhash USPosts: 923MI6 Agent
    Great news!

    Will the Bilbao tie have the same color inner lining as the screen-used version?
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