Coronavirus

1235753

Comments

  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,474MI6 Agent
    Yup!

    And in an even larger pic: the few (government critical) media in the US and the UK are under constant attack! By democratically elected leaders!

    If they succeed, we‘ll end up with far less democracy in the future because leaders can do what they want - uncalled.
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 31,990Chief of Staff
    Being James Bond has replied to recent comments here, mentioning and quoting Number24. He's complimentary towards AJB.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApKbo5f4st4
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 18,606MI6 Agent
    I'm strangely proud of of being quoted on a podcast. Other than a couple of questions on TheBondExperience's AJB Q & A this hasn't happened before. I'm only going to comment that I think it's natural that he talks about Covid-19 because it's influencing our lives and NTTD a lot. I'm only asking him to be careful about talking about the medical side of the issue without checking more. The podcast watched by a lot of people and there's misinformation and downplaying of what Covid-19 can do. We all have a responsibility.
    I think his podcast is good, that's why I watch it. :)
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 18,606MI6 Agent
    On other Covid-19 news I read Billie Eilish is delaying her consert tour because of the epidemic. This is a wise move, but also probably good for NTTD. Hopefully she will be touring and singing NTTD to masses of young fans around the time the movie is being shown in cinemas.
  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 1,029MI6 Agent
    0073 wrote:
    Joshua wrote:
    If the duties of speaking to a few hundred people on the internet satisfies the individual that he or she is actively contributing against the effects of the virus then I am not going to argue. Perhaps the individual should consider extending the activism into their own communities by reaching out to people (who do not have the internet) and offering them practical assistance.

    Would you call government crisis management "contributing against the effects of the virus" or "practical assistance"?
    What about the efforts of the first responders and health officials?

    You can of course believe what you want, but the current crisis the entire population of the world is facing, will not be resolved with bovine excrement and warm and fluffy feelings, but with hard measures and proven science.

    If this pandemic were just a matter of belief, it could be resolved with a song and a prayer!

    I just BURN UP!! With all the false information that is spread in the interwebs. Every single piece of factually incorrect rumor that is spread around puts someone in potential mortal danger!

    0073. Am I to take it that you are directly involved in government crisis management and/or you are a first responder or health official? Is that your own contribution to the crisis? I am greatly interested to hear and look forward to you clarifying this for me.

    If you are part of your government response or the health services then I will be the first to apologise for causing you some offence because what you are doing is indeed very important. I also thank you sincerely for allowing me the privilege of ‘believing what I want’ and of course it goes without saying that I defend your right to ‘believe what you want’.

    However, if you are just a medical/scientific layperson who has taken to the internet to ‘protest’ against disinformation, could you please explain how many lives you propose to save as a result? I’m minded to believe that most people who are vulnerable to this virus will not read AJB or other internet forums.

    Please, seeing as you appear to take exception to my own efforts, could you enlighten me as to what is so bad about actually going out into the community to help the vulnerable? Also please enlighten me as to the benefits of politicising the effects of the virus? Helping to halt the spread of fake news I can understand, but at this stage who is to say what is fake or not in the first place? I may be wrong but it appears to me that here it is a matter of personal (and it seems political) opinion rather sound medical knowledge which is driving certain posters output here. I also most respectfully suggest that sights can be set in this instance to a shorter range to identify those in need within communities, people who need action of the basic kind not words on internet forums? The political blame game can come when the full facts emerge. Until then people are taking a grain of salt and adding to it to make a cup and in so doing creating their own ‘fake news’. Even the best intentioned – unless they are at the very centre of the health organisations – cannot seriously believe they know what is happening with this virus and expect other people to listen to their advice.
  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 1,029MI6 Agent
    Here is some news from the doorstep today. For those with a political agenda, please feel free to call it fake news!

    One of the people my church is going to help has just been advised by the NHS phone call to self isolate for three months. He has not got the virus but is in the most at risk category. He has a daughter who is mentally handicapped and she is also at risk and has to stay at home for that same time. We will be taking shopping to them as and when they need it. The system as he explained to my pastor is that he has been given a help line number. If he requires his prescriptions they will deliver. If he needs shopping they will arrange for it to be sent. This is not a martial law thing, he is advised not forced, but he is acting on the advice.

    I wonder if also people in the UK have also been receiving text messages on their mobile phones from the NHS with help and advice? I have. I am not in the at risk category.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 18,606MI6 Agent
    Corona is more serious than we thought. European Song Contest 2020 won't happen :))
  • AugustWalkerAugustWalker Posts: 789MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Corona is more serious than we thought. European Song Contest 2020 won't happen :))

    I don’t see the problem... ;)

    But guys, I‘m genuinely curious about how this situation is in your respective area: Like the rest of Germany, we‘re strongly advised to reduce social contacts and going out to the absolute minimum here around Munich.

    Yet still, there are plenty of people wo still sit at the Isar-banks drinking wine or in the english garden eating ice cream in large gatherings like nothing is going on atm. Quite some people even call Corona a hoax and are very frank about not giving a sh!t about it.

    Is this dumb ignorance a local or a global phenomenon?

    Curious about your experiences.
    The name is Walker by the way.

    IG: @thebondarchives
    Check it out, you won’t be disappointed :)
  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 1,029MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Corona is more serious than we thought. European Song Contest 2020 won't happen :))

    I don’t see the problem... ;)

    But guys, I‘m genuinely curious about how this situation is in your respective area: Like the rest of Germany, we‘re strongly advised to reduce social contacts and going out to the absolute minimum here around Munich.

    Yet still, there are plenty of people wo still sit at the Isar-banks drinking wine or in the english garden eating ice cream in large gatherings like nothing is going on atm. Quite some people even call Corona a hoax and are very frank about not giving a sh!t about it.

    Is this dumb ignorance a local or a global phenomenon?

    Curious about your experiences.

    It has just been announced that all schools are to close indefinitely in the UK. They will have the last day on Friday. The children of 'key' workers will still be able to send their children to school. This closure also is for nursery and private schools.

    As I do not drink alcohol I cannot report the situation in the pubs. The high street of the local town is still busy and the supermarkets very much so. I have noticed one or two people covering their faces with scarfes and many more wearing gloves. I think the hoarders are more concerned with getting toilet rolls than exposing them selves to close contact with other people! I have not personally heard anyone saying that it is a hoax, but some people saying it is flu, and even more claiming they had it in December!

    Although the government are advising against it, many of these children will now most likely be cared for by grand parents. The young with the vulnerable.
  • FrigilianaFrigiliana Posts: 155MI6 Agent
    I think one of the most sobering statistics i heard from one of the team flanking the UK Prime Minister was " If we can keep deaths under 20,000 we'll be doing well " .
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,474MI6 Agent
    Not sure if my offer is obsolete or not.

    In Germany for the last 3 weeks, there was an extreme shortage for facial masks.
    Today, 2 of my suppliers from China have offered me facial masks in larger quantities, but I don‘t want to start this field for my company.

    However, if someone works for a hospital or a Dr. that has an extreme shortage in facial masks, they should please get in touch with me and I‘ll organise masks for them at cost.

    The masks will be made in China and must be transported from there ( presumably by air or express).

    I don‘t want to help anyone who is looking only to make a quick buck, serious enquiries only, please

    Thanks!
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 18,606MI6 Agent
    edited March 2020
    What country are we talking about?
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,474MI6 Agent
    Any country who needs them.
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • AugustWalkerAugustWalker Posts: 789MI6 Agent
    Joshua wrote:
    Number24 wrote:
    Corona is more serious than we thought. European Song Contest 2020 won't happen :))

    I don’t see the problem... ;)

    But guys, I‘m genuinely curious about how this situation is in your respective area: Like the rest of Germany, we‘re strongly advised to reduce social contacts and going out to the absolute minimum here around Munich.

    Yet still, there are plenty of people wo still sit at the Isar-banks drinking wine or in the english garden eating ice cream in large gatherings like nothing is going on atm. Quite some people even call Corona a hoax and are very frank about not giving a sh!t about it.

    Is this dumb ignorance a local or a global phenomenon?

    Curious about your experiences.

    It has just been announced that all schools are to close indefinitely in the UK. They will have the last day on Friday. The children of 'key' workers will still be able to send their children to school. This closure also is for nursery and private schools.

    As I do not drink alcohol I cannot report the situation in the pubs. The high street of the local town is still busy and the supermarkets very much so. I have noticed one or two people covering their faces with scarfes and many more wearing gloves. I think the hoarders are more concerned with getting toilet rolls than exposing them selves to close contact with other people! I have not personally heard anyone saying that it is a hoax, but some people saying it is flu, and even more claiming they had it in December!

    Although the government are advising against it, many of these children will now most likely be cared for by grand parents. The young with the vulnerable.

    The kids are a good point, Joshua.
    Here locally, the schools are closed for the next five weeks minimum. Kids were/ are advised to stay in. But I see a lot of kids in my town playing, going to town and lurking around at the train station and everywhere getting drunk and treating the situation line they’re on holiday. The parents are equally stupid for not doing what’s right now.

    And not to get another discussion stated or throwing this one over board, but: I find it very funny that our youngsters allegedly are sensitive enough to fully understand the whole climate change-thing and participate in FFF-marches, where we adults should listen to them.

    Yet, now with the Corona-crisis, they’re behaving like...well...children, that have a free holiday.
    To me, that shows that very few of these young climate-protesters actually stand behind their idea rather than just having a day off of school.
    The name is Walker by the way.

    IG: @thebondarchives
    Check it out, you won’t be disappointed :)
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 18,606MI6 Agent
    Frigiliana wrote:
    I think one of the most sobering statistics i heard from one of the team flanking the UK Prime Minister was " If we can keep deaths under 20,000 we'll be doing well " .

    What country are you from?
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,474MI6 Agent
    I can only speak for the kids that I know and all of them support Greta and all of them are taking the Corona threat very seriously.

    The few who are seen doing corona - parties are in the absolute minority, but tey are getting most attention on social media and not the well behaved kids...
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 1,029MI6 Agent
    The kids are a good point, Joshua.
    Here locally, the schools are closed for the next five weeks minimum. Kids were/ are advised to stay in. But I see a lot of kids in my town playing, going to town and lurking around at the train station and everywhere getting drunk and treating the situation line they’re on holiday. The parents are equally stupid for not doing what’s right now.

    This is what I expect to see also - not getting drunk as much as not being kept in check by parents. I am talking children up to teenage years. They will be out merrily spreading the virus if they are carrying it.
  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 1,029MI6 Agent
    Frigiliana wrote:
    I think one of the most sobering statistics i heard from one of the team flanking the UK Prime Minister was " If we can keep deaths under 20,000 we'll be doing well " .

    I am sorry, but unless you can provide video evidence of this being said I will write this post off as fake news and suggest that others do the same.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 31,990Chief of Staff
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 25,405Chief of Staff
    Joshua wrote:
    Frigiliana wrote:
    I think one of the most sobering statistics i heard from one of the team flanking the UK Prime Minister was " If we can keep deaths under 20,000 we'll be doing well " .

    I am sorry, but unless you can provide video evidence of this being said I will write this post off as fake news and suggest that others do the same.

    It’s NOT fake news...and 20,000 deaths is a conservative estimate...I work for the NHS and the figures being mentioned are FAR in excess of that...
    YNWA 97
  • FrigilianaFrigiliana Posts: 155MI6 Agent
    Thanks Sir Miles i've been trawling the BBC to find the quote for Joshua but can't find it but both myself and my wife heard it .
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 25,405Chief of Staff
    Frigiliana wrote:
    Thanks Sir Miles i've been trawling the BBC to find the quote for Joshua but can't find it but both myself and my wife heard it .

    I think Barbel deserves the credit - as usual ;%
    YNWA 97
  • FrigilianaFrigiliana Posts: 155MI6 Agent
    Correct
  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 1,029MI6 Agent
    Frigiliana wrote:
    Correct

    Then I offer my apologies.
  • FrigilianaFrigiliana Posts: 155MI6 Agent
    Accepted Joshua .
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 31,990Chief of Staff
    Thank you, Sir Miles. {[]
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,474MI6 Agent
    Sir Miles wrote:

    It’s NOT fake news...and 20,000 deaths is a conservative estimate...I work for the NHS and the figures being mentioned are FAR in excess of that...

    Are you having any numbers for Germany?
    And what is the consensus in the NHS?
    Has valuable time being lost because the leaders basically ignored it until last week and believed too long in Patrick Vallance‘s herd immunity theory?
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 31,990Chief of Staff
    Higgins wrote:
    Has valuable time being lost because the leaders basically ignored it until last week and believed too long in Patrick Vallance‘s herd immunity theory?

    Perhaps this may be of interest- https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/18/coronavirus-uk-expert-advice-wrong
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,474MI6 Agent
    Thanks Barbel.
    I guess that the

    „cannot seriously believe they know what is happening with this virus and expect other people to listen to their advice.“

    Can be put to rest.....
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,474MI6 Agent
    Mrs. Merkel just addressed the nation about Corona.

    The message could not be clearer!
    It‘s serious and we should all comply

    Having heard the recent statements from the UK and UK leaders, I can see a stark contrast.

    Has anyone managed to find the speech with english subtitles to link here?
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
This discussion has been closed.