AJB live commentary on TLD

HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,366MI6 Agent
edited May 2020 in Off Topic Chat
Time for another group-viewing, this time, it‘s

THE LIVING TEARDROPS


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London Summertime: 20:00
Paris Summertime: 21:00
New York local time 15:00
LA local time 12:00


PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT WE ARE ALL STARTING 10 MINUTES LATER !

The 19:00 deadline is set so that everybody has enough time to find their DVDs/Blu Rays, boot their players and get done with the menus and pause right before the gunbarrel sequence.

WE ARE STARTING PRECISELY AT 19:10


- Please make sure that everybody has their BluRay/DVD/VCR ready and start the player latest 19:00 GMT to get done with all the dodgy menus.
- PAUSE YOUR PLAYER RIGHT BEFORE THE GUNBARREL SEQUENCE STARTS AND
- HIT PLAY PRECISELY AT 19:10.
I‘ll post some timecodes during the thread just in case that somebody has messed it up
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,366MI6 Agent
    Barbel, can you please stickie this and unstickie the other one?

    Thank you!
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 9,852MI6 Agent
    Glad to see you are softening up Higgybum. I will be tuning in to see the Welsh Bond :))
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,366MI6 Agent
    edited April 2020
    Softening up?

    I just don‘t want to risk my „AJB member of the year 2020“ potential by going the total dictatorial path * :D

    * which is also known as the Barbel protocol :D
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,619MI6 Agent
    Okay. We'll watch The Living Daylights - or how Higgins learned to stop worrying and love Dalton :007)
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,366MI6 Agent
    Don‘t give up hope, kid - though it will never happen X-(
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Fiery-BondFiery-Bond Sydney, AustraliaPosts: 13MI6 Agent
    A superb idea. Station Sydney will be joining you, gentlemen.
    Craig | Connery | Moore | Dalton | Brosnan | Lazenby

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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 30,897Chief of Staff
    Higgins wrote:
    Barbel, can you please stickie this and unstickie the other one?

    Thank you!

    Done, and welcome to our group watching, Fiery-Bond.
  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 2,226MI6 Agent
    I'm probably not going to be able to make this one either

    I woulda suggested one more Moore since he made so many, and there were tonal shifts with the three different directors.
    FYEO is probably the biggest contrast with his other sillier films.
    Whereas ...Spy... and Moonraker are very similar to each other.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,619MI6 Agent
    I agree, Caractacus Potts. But we can return to the films we skipped this time at a later date. this Corona thing will continue for months and we can even keep this fine tradition without sitting around with face masks on ;)
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,366MI6 Agent
    Don‘t worry, c p.

    FYEO is my 2nd favorite Bond and I‘ll personally make sure that we are watching it.
    BUT I want to keep the mix so that we can all enjoy our favorite actors and not stick with one theme for too long.
    I am afraid, that if we‘d stick for too long with a certain actor, people may lose interest.
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 30,897Chief of Staff
    I agree, and therefore suggest the next one after TLD should be a Brosnan... but I'm getting too far ahead, I know.
  • Shady TreeShady Tree London, UKPosts: 2,238MI6 Agent
    Looking forward to TLD and would also support plumbing for a Brosnan after that.
    Critics and material I don't need. I haven't changed my act in 50 years.
  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 2,981MI6 Agent
    So, we're gonna watch the 'good' Dalton movie. That works for me.
    Current rankings:
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>OP>DN>
    TWINE>TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,366MI6 Agent
    Must.Resist.Replying
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • SeanIsTheOnlyOneSeanIsTheOnlyOne Posts: 117MI6 Agent
    edited April 2020
    Gymkata wrote:
    So, we're gonna watch the 'good' Dalton movie. That works for me.

    LTK is quite different from TLD but I don't consider it as a bad Bond film. Robert Davi played an excellent villain and the concept of making Bond a rogue agent obsessed with revenge was something brand new at that time. It's not a classic, but at least the producers tried to make something new. Dalton was a great 007 (the best one after Connery IMO) and I absolutely love the scene from LTK where Bond attempts to kill Sanchez with the signature camera gun. You can feel the genuine spirit of Fleming's novels in that scene.

    I know every Bond fan has his own personal ranking and I respect that but for me, LTK is far better than many movies of the Roger Moore era...
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 6,719MI6 Agent
    LTK brought me back to cinematic Bond. They had become so cheesy and far removed from Fleming.
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,366MI6 Agent
    4 hours roughly, gents!
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 2,981MI6 Agent
    LTK suffers from some of the absolute worst acting in the entire franchise. Dalton's good (nice and intense in this one), Robert Davi is excellent, and Benicio Del Toro is 'out there' but still believable. Everyone else is uniformly garbage. Talisa Soto and Carey Lowell are horrible, most of the established actors (Everett McGill, Anthony Zerbe) are doing career worst work, and everyone else is just bad. Add in the TV quality cinematography (this looks like an episode of RIPTIDE) and the film just has a patina of cheapness around it that makes it all cringe-worthy.

    It's a shame because the story potential is really there AND both Dalton and Davi are excellent in the film.
    Current rankings:
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>OP>DN>
    TWINE>TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 30,897Chief of Staff
    The score is poor, too.
  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 2,981MI6 Agent
    I'm not sure if I can make TLD. I'll try but I can't guarantee it.
    Current rankings:
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>OP>DN>
    TWINE>TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,619MI6 Agent
    Gymkata wrote:
    LTK suffers from some of the absolute worst acting in the entire franchise. Dalton's good (nice and intense in this one), Robert Davi is excellent, and Benicio Del Toro is 'out there' but still believable. Everyone else is uniformly garbage. Talisa Soto and Carey Lowell are horrible, most of the established actors (Everett McGill, Anthony Zerbe) are doing career worst work, and everyone else is just bad. Add in the TV quality cinematography (this looks like an episode of RIPTIDE) and the film just has a patina of cheapness around it that makes it all cringe-worthy.

    It's a shame because the story potential is really there AND both Dalton and Davi are excellent in the film.

    I think LALD and TMWTGG look cheaper. DAF too. I think a couple of the locations saves LTK from the TV look. I also like Carey Lowell's acting.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,366MI6 Agent
    Gymkata wrote:
    Add in the TV quality cinematography (this looks like an episode of RIPTIDE) and the film just has a patina of cheapness around it that makes it all cringe-worthy.
    .

    Keep what you‘ve just said in mind when you are watching TLD tonight.
    Imo, TLD looks much cheaper on all fronts.

    At least LTK was shot in the sunshine in Florida and Mexico which is always good for a movie.
    In TLD, we are getting grey Gibraltar, grey Austria, grey tangiers, dull Afghanistan (with 50% in the dark) and a toy soldier battle as climax :s
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 2,981MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    The score is poor, too.

    It's not particularly memorable, no. The theme song is ok but unremarkable.

    Another thing: the whole thing with David Heddison as Leiter doesn't work. The age doesn't work for Leiter here as he doesn't feel like a contemporary of Bond's. He feels like an uncle or something, not a peer. Also, when the thing all ends and Bond talks to Leiter, Leiter is surprisingly upbeat and cheearful. 'Thanks old buddy!' I mean, you just had your wife killed and lost your leg. He should be glum if anything.

    What's weird is that Glen thinks it's his best film. That's just baffling to me that he could honestly think that. From a directing point of view, it may be slightly better than AVTAK but that's not much of a reach. He peaked with FYEO, his first film, and it was pretty much all downhill from there. In truth, I think that him assuming the director's chair may have been the worst thing to happen to the Bond films as he simply lacked any real panache.
    Current rankings:
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>OP>DN>
    TWINE>TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,366MI6 Agent
    edited April 2020
    Barbel wrote:
    The score is poor, too.

    Michael Kamen was gold back then at the time.
    I agree that it has aged badly, particularly compared to Barry‘s magic ( however Barry delivered 3 uninspired routine scores with OP, AVAK and TLD.)

    But back,then the score was the Gold Standard of the industry and it was the smallest issue which moviegoers had with the movie
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 2,981MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Gymkata wrote:
    LTK suffers from some of the absolute worst acting in the entire franchise. Dalton's good (nice and intense in this one), Robert Davi is excellent, and Benicio Del Toro is 'out there' but still believable. Everyone else is uniformly garbage. Talisa Soto and Carey Lowell are horrible, most of the established actors (Everett McGill, Anthony Zerbe) are doing career worst work, and everyone else is just bad. Add in the TV quality cinematography (this looks like an episode of RIPTIDE) and the film just has a patina of cheapness around it that makes it all cringe-worthy.

    It's a shame because the story potential is really there AND both Dalton and Davi are excellent in the film.

    I think LALD and TMWTGG look cheaper. DAF too. I think a couple of the locations saves LTK from the TV look. I also like Carey Lowell's acting.

    I won't disagree that those noted films looked fairly 'cheapish', but they at least had directors who knew how to work with what they had and could actually frame a shot.

    As to Carey Lowell, to each their own. She was never convincing for me in the entire film. She's definitely better than Talisa Soto, though.
    Current rankings:
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>OP>DN>
    TWINE>TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,366MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I think LALD and TMWTGG look cheaper. DAF too. I think a couple of the locations saves LTK from the TV look. I also like Carey Lowell's acting.

    Sorry, TMWTGG looked anything but cheap.
    Particularly at a time when Thailand and Hong Kong where very exotic locations.
    There is no Ken Adams set there, yes, but the cinematography is top notch!
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 30,897Chief of Staff
    Higgins wrote:
    Barbel wrote:
    The score is poor, too.

    Michael Kamen was gold back then at the time.
    I agree that it has aged badly, particularly compared to Barry‘s magic ( however Barry delivered 3 uninspired routine scores with OP, AVAK and TLD.)

    But back,then the score was the Gold Standard of the industry and it was the smallest issue which moviegoers had with the movie

    Not this one. And the score that followed was even worse.

    Re your earlier point- I agree that Barry's work on OP was "uninspired [and] routine" but it did improve on AVTAK then again on TLD.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,366MI6 Agent
    I was speaking about Michael Kamen.
    Everybody with the exception of Sir Miles perhaps agrees that GE was crap.

    But Michael Kamen back then was the hottest and best paid cinema composer of the time.
    His scores where hits and well accepted.
    Nobody but the fundamentalists had issues with his score and it was solid for LTK.
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 30,897Chief of Staff
    Higgins wrote:
    Nobody but the fundamentalists had issues with his score

    I'm impressed that you went round asking so many people back in 1989, Higgins. Did you use a questionnaire? Did your watch, perhaps, have a calculator built-in to deal with such high numbers?
  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 2,981MI6 Agent
    Nothing is worse than the GE score by Eric Serra. The corpse of Cubby Broccoli belching into a paper bag would sound better than that monstrosity.
    Current rankings:
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>OP>DN>
    TWINE>TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
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