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@Ammo08, I agree, plus if they had stuck to the plan of releasing it in February 2020 like Eon had originally planned we would likely be buying copies of the film on Blu Ray/ DVD. In spite of the extra wait that the pandemic has forced on everyone, I am sure that the movie will be worth it.
I'm hoping for an April 2021 release but still can't see life being back to normal at all by then, and certainly people won't be rushing back to the cinema (especially older folks), perhaps Eon were willing to accept this for the November release, up until it's last minute change of mind (definitely the right decision, with the second wave taking hold), so they may stick with the April release to get it over and done with and finally accept less profit than they had hoped. I hope things will be brighter at least by then. Either that or they will delay again to November when things 'should be' back to normal.
I agree with AugustWalker that they should probably say we 'hope to' release in Spring 2021, possibly April, but we'll have to see how things are. Rather than stating a new release date each time. By all means they can book their slot, they just don't need to publicize it. (Perhaps they have already booked another slot for November 2021?) Obviously, they can't control Covid, but they can control their press releases.
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I'm hoping for an April 2021 release but still can't see life being back to normal at all by then, and certainly people won't be rushing back to the cinema (especially older folks), perhaps Eon were willing to accept this for the November release, up until it's last minute change of mind (definitely the right decision, with the second wave taking hold), so they may stick with the April release to get it over and done with and finally accept less profit than they had hoped. I hope things will be brighter at least by then. Either that or they will delay again to November when things 'should be' back to normal.
I agree with AugustWalker that they should probably say we 'hope to' release in Spring 2021, possibly April, but we'll have to see how things are. Rather than stating a new release date each time. By all means they can book their slot, they just don't need to publicize it. (Perhaps they have already booked another slot for November 2021?) Obviously, they can't control Covid, but they can control their press releases.
I'm not sure how the rest of the World is, but cinemas in my County in California (San Mateo) have re-opened. Capacity is be being limited. Maybe once theaters are open across the World, EON can do a duel release. When I say duel release, open in Theaters and Imax theaters and do the VOD thing to.
As Red Kind mentions, Eon is most likely going to have to accept a loss on this film. Hopefully with theater releases, VoD releases and finally home media releases they can break even.
One more thing I've seen is what AMC theaters is doing. You can rent a theater for $149 for yourself and a small number of friends. Thats for the movie only, no snacks. AMC will let you bring in your own snacks, but the price jumps up to over $200 for the rental.
Some people would complain even if you hang them with a new rope
We just did the rent a theater thing for my daughters birthday, I think it was only $99 here, it was a B&B Cinema rather than AMC. Our theaters are open, but there is one very near my home and I've not seen more that 6-8 cars in the lot since they opened a month or so ago, they have to be hurting big time (despite the price of popcorn ) ) and I wonder if any of them can even hold on until April.
I'm hoping for an April 2021 release but still can't see life being back to normal at all by then, and certainly people won't be rushing back to the cinema (especially older folks), perhaps Eon were willing to accept this for the November release, up until it's last minute change of mind (definitely the right decision, with the second wave taking hold), so they may stick with the April release to get it over and done with and finally accept less profit than they had hoped. I hope things will be brighter at least by then. Either that or they will delay again to November when things 'should be' back to normal.
I agree with AugustWalker that they should probably say we 'hope to' release in Spring 2021, possibly April, but we'll have to see how things are. Rather than stating a new release date each time. By all means they can book their slot, they just don't need to publicize it. (Perhaps they have already booked another slot for November 2021?) Obviously, they can't control Covid, but they can control their press releases.
I'm not sure how the rest of the World is, but cinemas in my County in California (San Mateo) have re-opened. Capacity is be being limited. Maybe once theaters are open across the World, EON can do a duel release. When I say duel release, open in Theaters and Imax theaters and do the VOD thing to.
As Red Kind mentions, Eon is most likely going to have to accept a loss on this film. Hopefully with theater releases, VoD releases and finally home media releases they can break even.
One more thing I've seen is what AMC theaters is doing. You can rent a theater for $149 for yourself and a small number of friends. Thats for the movie only, no snacks. AMC will let you bring in your own snacks, but the price jumps up to over $200 for the rental.
I was in contact with a few local cinemas recently (since I‘ve been bugging them ever since for all of their NTTD-promo stuff): They say they can survive atm but at some point in the nearer future, the movies in general should start coming out again. They too were counting on Bond, luckily for them, there‘s a german (bavarian) movie coming out in a couple of weeks, kinda saving them.
On another note: I‘ve watched a great Youtube video of two movie reviewers discussing the delay of all these blockbusters like NTTD: they discuss the risk-to-benefit ratio of always ramping up a marketing campaign to full swing only to call it of last minute.
Also a very great conclusion was that the movie industry can‘t face reality and fails to adapt to the current situation. Pushing back EVERYTHING to at least 2021 will not only put cinemas at great risk now but also will lead to a very cramped 2021-season which could also have a negative impact on box offices.
"An extensive study undertaken by Celluloid Junkie has found that not a single outbreak of COVID-19 anywhere across the globe can be traced to a cinema, multiplex or public screening venue."
> I can't get my head around the idea that we may well see James Bond debut on Apple TV+ or Netflix. The numbers I've been hearing the last few days are I N S A N E...
> There is serious pressure on MGM to sell the film to a streaming service. And there are some MONSTER offers on the table already.
If it keeps the franchise alive, I guess. But it'd be a bummer if this film debuts on Netflix or AppleTV. Would hate to have to pirate the last Craig film until it comes out on physical media.
Just one random guy on Twitter making statements based on nothing. “I’ve been hearing”...pfft 8-)
Agreed. I remember when Drew McWeeny was Moriarty from Aint It Cool News back in the 90s. He does have sources, but at most I'd consider the tweets rumor at best. It certainly didn't take long for that thread to descend into the patented Twitter ridiculousness with MovieBob's replies.
at the same time, with the uncertainty going on as to if/when theaters will open AND when patrons will actually return to the cinemas, it makes sense to entertain the idea. as it is, not releasing the film this year means not seeing any ROI for fiscal year 2020. Depending upon the numbers, they may have to do something to generate revenue for this year.
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TWINE>TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
If any streaming then Apple gets my vote, best picture and sound easily compared to the others.
The problem with Apple is accessibility for a lot of people. For example, I have a brand new Sony 4K TV . It's a smart TV but uses Android so while I can stream Netflix, Amazon, etc I can't download Apple TV w/o another device such as a Roku, etc. My guess if it were to come to a non-theatrical release, it would be more likely VOD available through multiple sources. I would also guess that Universal, which is owned by Comcast would not be very keen on Apple TV getting their hands on NTTD.
I'd much prefer to see NTTD in a cinema ahead of all other options, but if the worst comes to the worst I'd reluctantly settle for streaming. I think some kind of staggered release could work (cinema in those countries that have the capability to do it, and streaming for other territories that can't). Would this solution be at all plausible? What do others think?
"MGM was at least open to the possibility of unloading their crown jewel for a princely sum. The studio was said to be looking for a deal of roughly $600 million"
After reading the latest story on MI6 I continue to have some real questions regarding this will actually happen. The MI6 story ties the sale of the North American rights to NTTD in with the potential sale of MGM (I know, here we go again with MGM being a major thorn in the side of EON and James Bond). First of all, the numbers being bandied about (250 Million) for the rights are miniscule compared to what a Craig Bond film could potentially do at the box office if and when theaters can ever reopen to full capacity. While what is allegedly being discussed are the North American rights to NTTD, the idea of the film being shown on a pay service such as Apple TV surely must not sit well with Universal who has the international distribution rights (and is owned by pay cable giant COMCAST). With the film showing on a streaming/pay service, the potential for piracy could be staggering.
I can see a huge potential here for this to end up in court depending on what MGM attempts to do....which unfortunately is a Bond tradition.
I try to avoid making predictions. I also think it's important to remember that there are forces at work in the technology and entertainment industries that even the players can't yet grasp. Bob Chapek, CEO of DISNEY (which owns Marvel, Pixar, and Star Wars), just announced that the biggest entertainment company in the world would be reorganizing itself around streaming and in-home content. This transformation might have been coming anyway but this is an area where Covid-19 is already making massive changes to our lived experiences. People who expect a "return to normal" after a vaccine becomes available — if a vaccine becomes available — might consider checking their assumptions. Maybe NTTD will premiere in theaters in April. Or maybe we'll be watching it a month from now on Apple+. I won't be surprised by either scenario. Or by another scenario beyond my ability to imagine.
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I agree with AugustWalker that they should probably say we 'hope to' release in Spring 2021, possibly April, but we'll have to see how things are. Rather than stating a new release date each time. By all means they can book their slot, they just don't need to publicize it. (Perhaps they have already booked another slot for November 2021?) Obviously, they can't control Covid, but they can control their press releases.
I'm not sure how the rest of the World is, but cinemas in my County in California (San Mateo) have re-opened. Capacity is be being limited. Maybe once theaters are open across the World, EON can do a duel release. When I say duel release, open in Theaters and Imax theaters and do the VOD thing to.
As Red Kind mentions, Eon is most likely going to have to accept a loss on this film. Hopefully with theater releases, VoD releases and finally home media releases they can break even.
One more thing I've seen is what AMC theaters is doing. You can rent a theater for $149 for yourself and a small number of friends. Thats for the movie only, no snacks. AMC will let you bring in your own snacks, but the price jumps up to over $200 for the rental.
On another note: I‘ve watched a great Youtube video of two movie reviewers discussing the delay of all these blockbusters like NTTD: they discuss the risk-to-benefit ratio of always ramping up a marketing campaign to full swing only to call it of last minute.
Also a very great conclusion was that the movie industry can‘t face reality and fails to adapt to the current situation. Pushing back EVERYTHING to at least 2021 will not only put cinemas at great risk now but also will lead to a very cramped 2021-season which could also have a negative impact on box offices.
Here’s the full link:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xu_16YhCTOM
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Yeah, noticed that, too. Apparently they‘re advised to keep them all and put stickers of the new release date over them.
Atm, we‘re having a sticker over the sticker over the initial release date...
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https://celluloidjunkie.com/2020/10/19/cj-analysis-the-number-of-covid-19-outbreaks-traced-to-cinemas-is-zero/
At some point, the cardboard standees will likely fall over due to the weight...
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Well, I sure hope this isn't the case.
> I can't get my head around the idea that we may well see James Bond debut on Apple TV+ or Netflix. The numbers I've been hearing the last few days are I N S A N E...
> There is serious pressure on MGM to sell the film to a streaming service. And there are some MONSTER offers on the table already.
If it keeps the franchise alive, I guess. But it'd be a bummer if this film debuts on Netflix or AppleTV. Would hate to have to pirate the last Craig film until it comes out on physical media.
Agreed. I remember when Drew McWeeny was Moriarty from Aint It Cool News back in the 90s. He does have sources, but at most I'd consider the tweets rumor at best. It certainly didn't take long for that thread to descend into the patented Twitter ridiculousness with MovieBob's replies.
OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>OP>DN>
TWINE>TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
The problem with Apple is accessibility for a lot of people. For example, I have a brand new Sony 4K TV . It's a smart TV but uses Android so while I can stream Netflix, Amazon, etc I can't download Apple TV w/o another device such as a Roku, etc. My guess if it were to come to a non-theatrical release, it would be more likely VOD available through multiple sources. I would also guess that Universal, which is owned by Comcast would not be very keen on Apple TV getting their hands on NTTD.
https://variety.com/2020/film/news/james-bond-no-time-to-die-netflix-apple-1234814809/
I can see a huge potential here for this to end up in court depending on what MGM attempts to do....which unfortunately is a Bond tradition.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8875667/Latest-James-Bond-film-headed-Apple-TV-Netflix.html
Ugh DailyMail...that whole article is based on one person’s speculative tweet 8-)
But who knows
https://variety.com/2020/film/news/james-bond-no-time-to-die-netflix-apple-1234814809/
Someone on Reddit just posted this ad. Looks to be fake, but who knows anymore.
Clearly a fake. The ad starts with "An Apple Original Film", which NTTD obviously isn't.
Well if Apple purchased it, it would have been. I agree it's fake. Fun seeing fake ads and stuff again — it's like the hype machine never ended!