No Time to Die delayed until October 8th, 2021

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  • JTMJTM Posts: 2,962MI6 Agent
    JTM wrote:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/JamesBond/comments/jhj6nv/after_various_reports_and_speculation_it_appears/

    Someone on Reddit just posted this ad. Looks to be fake, but who knows anymore.

    Clearly a fake. The ad starts with "An Apple Original Film", which NTTD obviously isn't.

    Well if Apple purchased it, it would have been.
    I don't think that's how it works. Apple Originals are original content created specifically for distribution by Apple, not previously created content that Apple has just purchased the distribution rights for.
  • SeanIsTheOnlyOneSeanIsTheOnlyOne Posts: 117MI6 Agent
    That will NEVER happen. EON won’t hesitate to push it back year after year if it would appear necessary to them. The global situation is terrible. To be honest, my expectations about this movie have never been so low since the second delay. The last time I had such a feeling was just after I watched QoS trailer.
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 25,138Chief of Staff
    JTM wrote:

    Ugh DailyMail...that whole article is based on one person’s speculative tweet 8-)

    That’s true...just shows you how stupid - and desperate - some people/organisations are for content...it’s laughable 8-)
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  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 2,945MI6 Agent
    That will NEVER happen. EON won’t hesitate to push it back year after year if it would appear necessary to them. The global situation is terrible. To be honest, my expectations about this movie have never been so low since the second delay. The last time I had such a feeling was just after I watched QoS trailer.

    at some point, they'll need to see a return on investment. not releasing it in fiscal year 2020 may really cost them in terms of accounting. remember, they lost their shirts on THE RHYTHM SECTION. at some point, the bill comes due. I would not be surprised if they're under a ton of pressure to make the best deal that they can for 2020 to remain solvent.

    as to Barbara nixing it, I wouldn't give that too much weight. she could just be negotiating via the press.
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  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,548MI6 Agent
    This is all speculation at this point and from questionable sources. Bond, especially in the Brit Tabs is always fodder for rumors and speculation and typically negative rumors and speculation. The British Tabs seem to have a love/hate relationship with Bond these days.
    Rather than just looking at NTTD, I think we need to look at the bigger picture and it doesn't appear that the other studios are going to any VOD or pay services at this point with their big tentpole releases but still pushing theatrical release dates back in hope of better days in the future. I think we should have learned that it is very difficult to make assumptions about the financial situations of producers, studios, etc. The assumption amongst some is that EON (maybe because they are relatively small) is some sort of poor relation but it appears that is not the case. EON's business (aside from the odd release here and there) is probably not nearly as leveraged as other bigger studios and always has a steady flow of Bond income (home video, pay and free TV licensing, etc). As usual, it appears MGM is more the culprit here. Also, remember there are contracts with Universal, etc for distribution. If MGM acts on their own and attempts to cut a deal that EON and Universal (and always remember Universal is owned by COMCAST) does not believe to be in their best interests, it will all end up in court for heaven only knows how long.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,522MI6 Agent
    Gymkata wrote:
    That will NEVER happen. EON won’t hesitate to push it back year after year if it would appear necessary to them. The global situation is terrible. To be honest, my expectations about this movie have never been so low since the second delay. The last time I had such a feeling was just after I watched QoS trailer.

    at some point, they'll need to see a return on investment. not releasing it in fiscal year 2020 may really cost them in terms of accounting. remember, they lost their shirts on THE RHYTHM SECTION. at some point, the bill comes due. I would not be surprised if they're under a ton of pressure to make the best deal that they can for 2020 to remain solvent.

    as to Barbara nixing it, I wouldn't give that too much weight. she could just be negotiating via the press.

    This apparently isn't a concern. Someone here (I forgot who) said that they're able to postpone the release until a time when they think they can make the most money. It's why they've postponed it again and didn't need to make this deal, otherwise they could have released it at home next month.
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  • HalfMonk HalfHitmanHalfMonk HalfHitman USAPosts: 1,947MI6 Agent
    Eon/Danjaq doesn't have investors. They don't have to report to anyone, and they're clearly not broke. They're the big x factor in this conversation, because none of these agreed-upon truths about shareholders, ROI and turning a profit in a fiscal year pertain to them. It's the wild west right now.
  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 2,945MI6 Agent
    Eon/Danjaq doesn't have investors. They don't have to report to anyone, and they're clearly not broke. They're the big x factor in this conversation, because none of these agreed-upon truths about shareholders, ROI and turning a profit in a fiscal year pertain to them. It's the wild west right now.

    ah, makes sense. if they're not under duress to report a profit, then yeah.
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  • rennervisionrennervision Posts: 76MI6 Agent
    Now I know why EON stands for Everything or Nothing.
  • frommeyerfrommeyer ChicagoPosts: 401MI6 Agent
    I've seen several people say the numbers being thrown about in negotiations are eye popping. If Netflix paid 100 million for Friends for a few years (a show people had seen, and many owned on DVD) and dropped 200 million to make a terrible Michael Bay movie I'm really curious what Apple/Netflix would pay for an exlusive first run at a mega property like Bond. A billion?

    Apple has all the cash in the world to do it. And they're anxious to get their streaming service subs up. The more I think about it the more I feel like the number has to be closer to a billion than not. That, to me, is an eye popping number. And anything less than 600 million is probably too low for EON anyway.
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,548MI6 Agent
    From what little I have read (and most of it is probably also speculation) is that Apple would be interested in MGM, not just for their half of Bond, but MGM's vast library of films which would fill a huge need for content. I don't know much about business or contract law, etc but even if Apple bought MGM, they would still only be partners when it comes to Bond and have no choice but to deal with EON.
  • YouknowthenameYouknowthename Carver Media GroupPosts: 495MI6 Agent
    frommeyer wrote:
    ..what Apple/Netflix would pay for an exlusive first run at a mega property like Bond. A billion?

    At a billion, just for the North-American VOD rights, EON might consider I'd think. Then again, it would mean a severe blow to North-American cinemas . Plus the risk (well, certainty) of the film being leaked onto the www, causing extra losses for cinemas worldwide. All in all, EON would kinda be selling out Bond for Apple/Netflix' gain.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,562MI6 Agent
    If NTTD is released on a sreaming service instead of in cinemas, will it be released on DVD at the same time or soon after?
  • CheverianCheverian Posts: 1,091MI6 Agent
    edited October 2020
    Apple+ desperately needs content to compete with their streaming rivals, hence the talk about their wanting MGM. NTTD would be the incentive for people to subscribe but doesn’t serve their interests well as a one-off. That said, deals can be cut all sorts of ways.

    It isn’t up to EON, or in its power, to “save” theaters. There are huge societal and technological forces at work changing how people receive entertainment, some of which are pandemic related, but it goes beyond that. Keep in mind, too, that cinema has survived TV and the internet and social media.
  • propcollector22propcollector22 Lake district UKPosts: 57MI6 Agent
    deep breath......

    'The film is not for sale': MGM quashes rumors it's seeking to release Bond movie No Time To Die on streaming VOD

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8878847/MGM-quashes-rumors-seeking-release-Bond-movie-No-Time-Die-streaming-VOD.html
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  • SeanIsTheOnlyOneSeanIsTheOnlyOne Posts: 117MI6 Agent
    deep breath......

    'The film is not for sale': MGM quashes rumors it's seeking to release Bond movie No Time To Die on streaming VOD

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8878847/MGM-quashes-rumors-seeking-release-Bond-movie-No-Time-Die-streaming-VOD.html

    What a scoop ! Did anyone here seriously thought it was possible ? It is EON we are talking about...
  • frommeyerfrommeyer ChicagoPosts: 401MI6 Agent
    I absolutely thought it was possible if the price was right. It's just another business that's hurting financially right now.
  • Royale-les-EauxRoyale-les-Eaux LondonPosts: 272MI6 Agent
    The maths don't work on one side making distributors, licensees and others whole, plus retaining margin, for anything less than $1b and that doesn't work for the other side, none of the streaming platforms have the universality to justify it.

    Also, as others have noted streaming in any market first would have more pirates than a Johnny Depp comicon appearance.

    I can't see it happening for NTTD. I can see a limited theatre run first followed by very quick streaming appearance.


    I do think that this experience will accelerate/change the longer term conversation with how Bond 26/the franchise deal with a changed world for delivery. I wouldn't surprised to see Bond 26 on a dual delivery or streaming first package.
  • BlindManBaldwinBlindManBaldwin Posts: 104MI6 Agent
    https://variety.com/2020/film/news/no-time-to-die-james-bond-mgm-streaming-sale-1234819582/

    Variety piece on MGM's finances and NTTD.. Doesn't look good for the future going forward.
  • Royale-les-EauxRoyale-les-Eaux LondonPosts: 272MI6 Agent
    ...so it came to pass there would have been zero cinemas open in the UK in November...
  • AugustWalkerAugustWalker Posts: 766MI6 Agent
    ...so it came to pass there would have been zero cinemas open in the UK in November...

    ...and the same will happen come April... :#
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  • LicencetochatLicencetochat Posts: 62MI6 Agent
    Just out of curiosity. How are all your guys feeling about a new bond film at this point? I mean, i was like pretty excited up until the latest delay. But after that im like, not that i dont care anymore, but i just doesnt think about and not so hyped anymore. Because there are so much other stuff going on in the world now.

    But when the time finally comes. Next april or whenever it will be, do you guys think you will be just ass hyped again? Will it still feel fresh? If the movie was made 3 years ago?

    Im a long time fan, but right now its diffucult to care for this movie. Fingers crossed for april next year. (And in theatres) but i wont belive it until i see it. Hopefully i will get hyped again. -{
  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 9,851MI6 Agent
    Every month now I see a new picture of something.

    Starting to feel like no more surprises
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  • AugustWalkerAugustWalker Posts: 766MI6 Agent
    The problem is exactly like welshboy pointed out.

    With each marketing campaign, they have to put out new stuff (e.g. we have like 20 posters for this movie already). And now, we‘re slowly at a point where everybody can sort of puzzle the whole movie together, not even taking into consideration the campaign for next April....and that‘s bad.

    There’s already a supercut trailer out there (which I urge anyone NOT to watch) and when the April marketing will be for nothing and we’re facing another delay until November 2021 with yet another promotional campaign, then this supercut trailer will morph into like 20 mins worth of film...

    That‘s why I think they should just delay this movie indefinitely without a release date if they already hold on SO stubbornly to a cinematic release.
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  • JTMJTM Posts: 2,962MI6 Agent
    I admit my joy/hype/excitement has dropped with all the delays, but I know for certain that whenever the film actually gets released at the cinema and I go in, buy my tickets, get my popcorn, find my seat, settle in and then finally through the darkness hear the Bond theme and see the gunbarrel, I'll feel like a damn kid on Christmas morning.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,522MI6 Agent
    JTM wrote:
    I admit my joy/hype/excitement has dropped with all the delays, but I know for certain that whenever the film actually gets released at the cinema and I go in, buy my tickets, get my popcorn, find my seat, settle in and then finally through the darkness hear the Bond theme and see the gunbarrel, I'll feel like a damn kid on Christmas morning.

    I expect this to be the case for myself, and I think most people would feel this way. The excitement will be there when we’re watching it. When I saw the clip from the film shared on Jimmy Fallon, despite seeing so many photos and shots in the trailer from the scene, it felt entirely fresh. I think the whole film will feel fresh too.

    But I can’t say how any of us will feel when it’s all over. I was excited to see every one of Craig’s films when they came out. Yet none excite me today like OHMSS or MR still do some 20 viewings later. Most likely the film will have the same effect on us delay or no delay.
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  • ichaiceichaice LondonPosts: 382MI6 Agent
    The delays have giving me more time to wonder why Blofeld and Swann are returning. Both were utterly underwhelming characters in the dreadful Spectre film. The script writers worry me and the extra time has made me think about the director. Apart from True Detective and the Alienist which I really enjoyed I’m not keen on anything else he’s done. I always hope for the best but for me all films since CR have disappointed in some ways. QoS has improved over multiple viewings and the first half of Skyfall has been the same. Both Skyfall and Spectre showed to me that quality actors don’t always make good Bond villains. I always want and hope for the best so I’m hoping it all works out.
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  • JTMJTM Posts: 2,962MI6 Agent
    ichaice wrote:
    Apart from True Lies and the Alienist which I really enjoyed I’m not keen on anything else he’s done.

    True Detective...you must not have enjoyed it that much ;)
  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,392MI6 Agent
    I have been kind of burnt out on NTTD the last month or so. But like others have said I'm sure I'll be as excited as ever once I'm actually in the theater to watch it.
  • JTMJTM Posts: 2,962MI6 Agent
    edited November 2020
    So Wonder Woman 1984 is sticking with its Christmas Day release but is also going to be released simultaneously on HBO Max in the US. Could be an option for NTTD...but which service?

    https://ew.com/movies/wonder-woman-1984-hbo-max-theatrical-release/?utm_campaign=entertainmentweekly_entertainmentweekly&utm_content=new&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_term=5fb5b7f2f7584a00013cdcd0

    Internationally, where there's no HBO Max, there's a cinema release only on Dec 16.
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