(SPOILERS) So, Will They Start Over or . . .

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  • ClassicBondFanClassicBondFan Posts: 6MI6 Agent

    It wouldn’t make sense to bring him back in this timeline. I don’t like reboots, but now that what happened happened, a reboot is the only way forward.

  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,749MI6 Agent

    It only has to make sense commercially. If No Time to Die fares poorly at the box office -- and it's looking like it will have to make $800-$900 million just to break even -- and there's no one viable on deck to take over the lead role in a few years, they may have to come up with something to recoup costs. That could well be a Daniel Craig Bond film with a lower budget. The writers would have to come up with a reason for how he survives, but that wouldn't be hard to do.

    Of course, it also depends on how whatever studio that owns Bond at that point is doing -- if they're flush with money, it may not matter. But if they're hurting, too, then a Bond movie with wheels at the box office would be in order. And Daniel Craig announcing his return to the franchise might be exactly what's needed to get people excited. Then, after that film does well, recoups costs, and puts EON or whoever in a strong financial position, they can take a risk with a new actor in the role.

    There's certainly no reason they have to go that direction, but the general public hasn't been this interested with Bond since the Connery days. And we know what bringing Connery back for one more (well, two if you count NSNA) did.

  • chrisno1chrisno1 LondonPosts: 1,366MI6 Agent

    Does anyone know the exact budget for NTTD.? I'm stunned to hear it cost over $800m. I know there was a lot of delays which ballooned interest payments etc, but even so. I'm just thinking, how can they make a film look so ordinary and spend all that cash? I don't even remember any flashy effects.

    Back to topic. I can't see Craig returning. IMO he's starting to look a little frayed at the edges anyway.

    Given how NTTD ends, I would go for a comprehensive reboot. New Bond, new Scooby Gang, new writers. No mention of CraigBond. I'm not even averse to a new "arc" but I'd prefer not.

    If I had my choice, I'd look to the continuation novels, but I suspect EoN and Amazon won't do that.

  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 6,844MI6 Agent
    edited October 14

    It didn’t cost anywhere near that much to make. But they had to pay £millions a week to insure it over the pandemic.

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  • CheverianCheverian Posts: 1,207MI6 Agent

    My thoughts exactly. Although most of the reviews of NTTD have been positive, a number of hit the same note: Bond is exhausted as a character. The Cold War culture that birthed him is long dead. He has no relevance to modern life, etc.

    Eon will reboot, tweaking the character in a way calculated to appeal to Gen Z and Millennials. But they won't throw the formula out entirely because Bond is still a highly profitable franchise with global appeal.

    IMO the stakes are higher for Eon now than they were before CR. It's no wonder they wanted to hold onto Craig.

  • humbusterhumbuster Posts: 5MI6 Agent

    Are they going to continue?


    Barbara and Mike certainly are not getting any younger, and I have no if anyone else from the family is interested in taking over the helm?

    Unfortunately, if EON stops, they could sell "the franchise" for big bucks to someone like Disney (god forbid).


    Have been a Bond fan since I saw OHMSS (3 straight showings in the theatre) upon initial release as a wee lad. To this day, routinely spin my John Barry discs and have read ALL of the books.


    Perhaps, it is the old man in me, by maybe, just maybe it is time to stop.

  • canoe2canoe2 Posts: 1,755MI6 Agent

    I love ya Chevarian, but I have to disagree on a couple points. Eon has gone through plenty of crisis before. By the fifth film, the franchise was already a huge money maker. And then their big star quits, to be replaced by an actor that only lasts one movie (which also ended on a downer). Cheery times, more or less, through the Moore years. Dalton underperforming. And then Brosnan the savior. But by that time the media (and M) was already taking about Bond being a relic of the cold war. And now we're hearing it all again with Craig's final film. It's been the same story for almost 3 decades now: Bond needs to change, Bond should be black/gay/female to make the character relevant, "we're not Bond Girls, we're Bond women", the character and the franchise have run out of ideas. Maybe this time it seems more intense because social media and the internet in general are amplifying those messages more than ever before. But the messages themselves have been around for what seems like forever.

    I think a look at some simple facts would show Eon is actually in a pretty good place right now. They've just finished the run of a very popular Bond. His last film has been well received critically and by the general movie goers (if the 88% audience rating score on Rotten Tomatoes is to be believed). NTTD has to make a lot of money to break even. But even if it doesn't (and it probably won't), any financial problems can be blamed on the COVID situation so the Bond Brand doesn't look too tarnished. And they'll still have streaming and DVD revenue to add in. Amazon has deep pockets to help with future promotion and distribution. Plus brands once again lined up to be part of the magic of Bond, no doubt paying a hefty sum for the privilege in most cases. No reason to think they won't do so again. Let's not forget that once all the noise around NTTD dies down, the Eon marketing machine will once again kick into gear with the hunt for the new Bond, which will keep them in the spotlight.

    As for what comes next, I know what I'd like to see. But Eon has always charted their own course, alienating some fans while appeasing others and gaining some new fans in the process. IMHO, we can only be 100% sure of one thing: whatever they decide for the future won't be popular with everyone and they'll be lots of armchair quarterbacking 😁

    TL;DR: Eon has gone through situations like this many times before and they're old hands at managing it. I'm sure Babs and Michael are sleeping just fine.

    Cheers!

  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,749MI6 Agent

    Estimates are in the $200-$300 million range. The rule is to double that (or more) to including marketing. NTTD is also several years late to debut, so there may be debt service on costs. Big studios often shuffle money around, attaching losses for one film to others. Or, a slow performing film may recoup losses from a more successful one later. It’s not about the artistry or reviews but how much profit and loss incurs.

  • CheverianCheverian Posts: 1,207MI6 Agent

    Ok, @canoe2, you've reassured me!

    Besides it's easy to sleep well when your pillows are stuffed with cash.

  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,600MI6 Agent
    edited October 15

    I have no idea what EON will do at this point.

    If I had to guess, another hard reboot would be in order, with a completely new cast,

    What I wouldn't mind personally would be a retro Bond series on Amazon with the following:

    • It would take place from after WW II through the 50's. This would be uncharted cinematic territory for Bond and could also avoid comparisons with the first 5 Connery films.
    • The series should be very much "R-rated" and doing it as an Amazon series would give them much more freedom in that regard. An "R-rated" 50's Bond, in addition to having a bit more "bloody" license to kill would be free to smoke, drink, and womanize to his cold heart's content.
    • Amazon (and Netflix, etc) series tend to reach out across demographics better than theatrical releases.
    • Lot's of new plot lines; we have the "cold war", SMERSH, nuclear espionage, assassinations, and any other machinations of evil the writers can come up with relative to that era. EON could also examine the less bombastic, more grounded threats like drug smuggling or human trafficking.
    • A good dose of old fashioned spy craft and of course some cool retro "gadgets" along with a return of the Bentley or some other cool sports cars from that era
    • As far as casting, IMO, Tom Ellis would make a perfect 50's Bond
    • Well, that's my personal wish list at the moment that I am throwing out there ( which could change at any time ).
  • SeanIsTheOnlyOneSeanIsTheOnlyOne Posts: 147MI6 Agent
    edited October 15

    I couldn't disagree more on the Cold War culture. If you get interested in geopolitics, you can notice the global context of this first quarter-century is weirdly reminiscent of what happened back to the eatly 1980s, with explicit tensions between the US and former or current communist nations (Russia, China and even North Korea in some way).

    The Trump mandate and the way of dealing with issues like these in terms of diplomatic relationships can be seen as a modern version of the Reagan years, which leads me to the following question: what if the Cold War never really ended ? Isn't the current situation one of the consequences of some "hidden" mutations of the conflict over the past three decades ?

    That's precisely why I consider it would have been much more interesting to get topics like this one in the last movie of the Craig era than building a whole plot on an umpteenth romance between Bond and a female character (OHMSS has already done it and a far better way IMHO). At least Broccoli, Wilson, Craig, Purvis and Wade could have imagined a story based on this including the romance/psychological part if it was so meaningful to them from a narrative point of view. I do believe international issues and espionage are not obsolete concepts, and saying Craig's Bond doesn't seem very focused on these fields is putting it mildly.

    I'm curious to know what Danny Boyle had in mind plotwise. I don't know if it would have been satisfying but I really want to learn what his script contained.

  • canoe2canoe2 Posts: 1,755MI6 Agent

    I've already expressed what I think will happen with the character of Bond. But I was thinking today and an idea came to mind: a Paloma and Nomi miniseries. I think it would be great fun watching them team up for a mission (with the inevitable caveat "if done right"). It would be a way for EON to expand the Bond universe, without relying on the the main character and "diluting his brand". It could have that Bond feel and tone, but since Paloma and Nomi are so different to Bond, it would be a fresh take on that world of espionage. You could have brief cameos from Q, Moneypenny, Tanner, M and even bring back a character like Camille for a more expanded role.

    Sort of Falcon and the Winter Soldier meets Alias.

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