No Time to Die delayed until October 8th, 2021

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  • Royale-les-EauxRoyale-les-Eaux LondonPosts: 277MI6 Agent
    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/oct/05/comment-film-industry-cineworld-closure-james-bond-no-time-to-die


    This is becoming absolute horse manure now.

    Bond has nothing to do with people being scared to go to the cinema at the moment and they indisputably are - *insert exciting discussion about data bias demonstrated by the Guardian interviewing people at cinemas* . Hardly surprising given 15,000 covid cases were 'discovered down the back of the sofa' over the weekend in the UK and plans were leaked detailing criteria for all leisure industry venues being shut. Criteria many places, London included, are hurtling towards.

    I would happily take a bet with Mr Bradshaw, Kermode and others - with winnings to charity - that come Nov 12th we're in lockdown circumstances that render all this rending of garments moot and would have seen NTTD forcibly suspended in the UK at least. (and I would hope to be wrong and a glad loser but I can read the weather as it stands now...)

    Tenet did not fill cinemas to the capped capacity. No one seems to be screaming Marvel have killed cinema as they pulled the plug on numerous tentpoll franchise films. EON/Bond held their nerve longer than most which is why they're left in the firing line.

    Also, as an employer in the UK, I know why they are doing it, but given furlough and JRS Government support there is a long conversation about reality of necessity for scale redundancies at the moment.

    Happy James Bond Day! :D
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,554MI6 Agent
    edited October 2020
    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/oct/05/comment-film-industry-cineworld-closure-james-bond-no-time-to-die


    This is becoming absolute horse manure now.

    Bond has nothing to do with people being scared to go to the cinema at the moment and they indisputably are - *insert exciting discussion about data bias demonstrated by the Guardian interviewing people at cinemas* . Hardly surprising given 15,000 covid cases were 'discovered down the back of the sofa' over the weekend in the UK and plans were leaked detailing criteria for all leisure industry venues being shut. Criteria many places, London included, are hurtling towards.

    I would happily take a bet with Mr Bradshaw, Kermode and others - with winnings to charity - that come Nov 12th we're in lockdown circumstances that render all this rending of garments moot and would have seen NTTD forcibly suspended in the UK at least. (and I would hope to be wrong and a glad loser but I can read the weather as it stands now...)

    Tenet did not fill cinemas to the capped capacity. No one seems to be screaming Marvel have killed cinema as they pulled the plug on numerous tentpoll franchise films. EON/Bond held their nerve longer than most which is why they're left in the firing line.

    Also, as an employer in the UK, I know why they are doing it, but given furlough and JRS Government support there is a long conversation about reality of necessity for scale redundancies at the moment.

    Happy James Bond Day! :D

    The tabs never seem to miss an opportunity to slag Bond. It's just scapegoating. Anyone with half a brain should be able to understand that the issue is the pandemic. It's no coincidence that case numbers are rising with the re-opening of indoor dining, bars, etc. I understand the tragic financial implications of the theaters being shut down or having no product but there are serious health implications. I think in some ways, the movie theater business is falling into a perverted version of "me too" seeing that the restaurants and bars are now doing business so why not us....we are safer. However, with streaming, cable and VOD along with the growing affordability of large screen, hi def TVs it is much easier for people to make a decision not to gamble with their health and go to a theater. Personally, I miss the experience of seeing films in a nice theater and still would much prefer to see NTTD in an IMAX theater but not until it's really safe (and that is also my personal approach to returning to eating in restaurants, etc).
  • km1fdmkm1fdm USAPosts: 126MI6 Agent
    I simply cannot second all if the „right move/ smart decision“-commentaries over on Instagram.

    This is getting ridiculous, we‘ve got the 5th release date/ 4th postponement for this movie now.
    EON is trying to sit things out, casually postponing the thing ever so close to the actual release.

    Member Miles Messervy has said it quite correctly:
    They waste to much time in between the movies, this time it was waiting forever and a day for DC to make his mind up and then the debacle with the directors.

    Truth is: nobody knows where the world will be going in the forseeable future let alone April next year so it’s bloody optimistic of them to postpone it to then.

    Pretty sure the average movie-goer/ casual Bond-fan will loose interest at a certain point.

    They should really face the facts and come to terms with alternate ways of distribution!
    smfh

    Agreed 1000%. They've single handedly killed the reopening cinemas in the US by postponing again. If they keep this up, there simply won't be a cinema experience at all. It would be much smarter imo to do VoD followed by a "cinematic experience" WHEN POSSIBLE.. rather than throwing around stupid dates based on nothing at all but their hopes and dreams. This is all BEYOND ridiculous, and has been since the last delay.

    People want and will pay for streaming.. Disney has been killing it with Mulan at $30.

    https://deadline.com/2020/10/cobra-kai-tops-u-s-streaming-ratings-with-amazons-the-boys-and-disneys-mulan-breaking-up-netflix-party-1234589415/

    Rather than cheering on the ridiculous cycle, we should all be petitioning EON to truly "do the right thing" and release the film.
  • Jflynn2112Jflynn2112 Posts: 48MI6 Agent
    My mind is still torn on this.
    On one hand I appreciate they’re in this purely to make money, on the other hand I’m thinking about how much money do they need to make at a time like this?

    Not releasing NTTD has all but killed UK (and probably us cinema). That’s a massive industry with 1000s of jobs.
    All because MGM want to ensure they make an extra 100 million at the box office? I appreciate 100Million is a lot of money but it’s 100Million in profit to MGM vs 1000s of jobs and an entire industry.
    It’s 100Million that, with some creative marketing, could be made up on the other end with VOD, Blue Ray, 4/8k releases, a directors cut, double bills...You name it.

    As I say I’ve not made my mind up but I think at the heart of this is just greed.

    Would there be calls for an extended Cinema run? Less people in theatres but spread over a period of time?

    I really feel for all the people who stand to lose their jobs here.
  • HalfMonk HalfHitmanHalfMonk HalfHitman USAPosts: 1,953MI6 Agent
    km1fdm wrote:
    Disney has been killing it with Mulan at $30.

    How much did they make? The link you provided, like Disney itself, offered no concrete revenue numbers.
  • MarkOOMarkMarkOOMark Posts: 88MI6 Agent
    Jflynn2112 wrote:
    Not releasing NTTD has all but killed UK (and probably us cinema).

    Lets remember it's the pandemic, and not Bond that will have caused this. There is a good chance by release we may be faced with further restrictions, local, or even full lockdowns, in many places. I honestly think they have made the right call.... I don't think at this knife-edge point in time we should be encouraging any form of social gathering. We certainly would not be going, and most people I know feel the same, and are avoiding any possible risk. I'm not prepared to put my, or my families life at risk for a bloody film, no matter how much I want to see it.... and I really want to see it.

    Maybe they should have considered VOD... I can't see things being better by April, though I desperately hope they are. If it's just about money I think they would get a great return on a digital distribution, and maybe encourage people to see it at a later date at a theatre. I would certainly pay to see it again in a cinema, when it is safe to do so.
  • HalfMonk HalfHitmanHalfMonk HalfHitman USAPosts: 1,953MI6 Agent
    I'm stating the obvious but a lot of this finger-pointing feels like it's fueled by pure selfishness. We're using Bond to bemoan the "death of cinemas"? FOH. People are grouchy that they can't have the thing they want NOW NOW NOW.

    Movie theaters should've taken note that no one showed up for Tenet and prepared accordingly. They didn't and that's fine - this situation is unprecedented - but watching Tenet's performance and then pinning all their hopes on Bond was kind of stupid.

    Also, don't tell me these corporations won't find the funds to immediately re-open when it's safe to do so. They want to blame someone else for their layoffs.
  • HalfMonk HalfHitmanHalfMonk HalfHitman USAPosts: 1,953MI6 Agent
    One look at this forum, full of people who live and breathe James Bond, and seeing how many are saying they won't see it in a theater, you'd have to be a dummy to put the film out in such a climate.
  • Jflynn2112Jflynn2112 Posts: 48MI6 Agent
    It’s a bit “chicken and egg”. People won’t go to the cinema if there’s nothing to see.

    Tenet isn’t ever likely to compete with James Bond. For a start it was rubbish, complex and didn’t have the broad appeal.

    Anyway the decision is so the whole discussion is moot and frustrating but I can’t help wonder if there was a solution that would’ve worked for all parties.
  • BetterMakeThatTwoBetterMakeThatTwo EnglandPosts: 4MI6 Agent
    Just a theory but maybe the delay is to do with Trump getting the virus and being admitted to hospital. I think they postponed the film and he announced he was sick on the same day. Earlier this year, DC said in his GQ interview, that the film would criticise/reference Trump (and Brexit). Maybe this is what it's all about. Why release all the new promotional material just a few days ago? You run the risk of losing viewers/offending people with this type of thing especially with recent political events.
  • Westward_DriftWestward_Drift Posts: 2,483MI6 Agent
    For what it's worth, Collider is reporting that Dune has been delayed until October 1, 2021.

    https://collider.com/dune-movie-new-release-date-delayed-2021/
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,644MI6 Agent
    edited October 2020
    I really doubt NTTD will reference Trump or Brexit, and especially not critizise those issues. First of all it would quickly date the movie, much like "Margereth Thatcher" in FYEO. If NTTD somehow takes sides on one of these issues it will upset about half of the potential audience in two important markets and probably make sure they won't watch it.
    Even if Trump is mentioned in NTTD I can't imagine it's more than a line or two, hardly a good enough reason to delay a major movie for for months! Trump will almost certainly be well again in weeks, I think.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,369MI6 Agent
    One look at this forum, full of people who live and breathe James Bond, and seeing how many are saying they won't see it in a theater, you'd have to be a dummy to put the film out in such a climate.

    Exactly!

    And I‘ve made the decision weeks ago, that I‘ll not see NTTD in the cinema in November - and that included the potential Cast&Crew Premiere that I may have been attending.
    The idea of having (relatively) full cinemas in November for a Bond movie is just crazy!
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  • NoiNoi Posts: 483MI6 Agent
    For what it's worth, Collider is reporting that Dune has been delayed until October 1, 2021.

    https://collider.com/dune-movie-new-release-date-delayed-2021/

    has been confirmed by Warner Bros now.

    oh my...I'm done with 2020 srsly, the whole year, the whole beginning of this decade is cursed and doomed :/ I have the feeling that Bond will be delayed again...to be honest I would love to see that movie but I wasn't really in the mood for it in Nov, this situation makes me a bit depressed. if Nttd had been released in Nov it would be difficult for me to lean back and enjoy the movie like I normally do. hope to see that movie when the world is in a better shape, whenever that is <_<
  • JTMJTM Posts: 2,962MI6 Agent
    km1fdm wrote:
    Disney has been killing it with Mulan at $30.

    They really haven't. Estimates for VOD are between $60 - 90 million. Add that to the box office of $66 million and you've got around $150 million at best. While that would be an okay take for a small film, Mulan's budget was $200 million, not including all the marketing costs.
  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 9,853MI6 Agent
    Isnt rule of thumb to double budget to break even or is that bull? M
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  • Revolver66Revolver66 Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 469MI6 Agent
    Cheverian wrote:
    October 5th they should announce dropping on VOD and put everyone out of their misery.
    You've already killed the theatres by delaying anyway. How many cinemas will still be in business for next year?

    They did not kill theaters. An existential threat combined with ineffective responses by governments "killed" theaters. Governments could just, you know, cut checks to theaters to cover fixed costs until operations resume.

    Theaters are open in much of the US and, guess what, people aren't going. Business owners may want people to behave as if there is no pandemic, but we won't. I have no doubt that cinema will be changed forever by this. But so will many things. Restaurants, airline travel, business meetings, fashion, etc.

    The thing about this latest postponement that galls me is thinking of all the delays prior to the pandemic. If they'd even stuck with their February 14, 2020 date, they'd have been fine and had the highest grossing film of the year. The movie would be have made a mint on-demand and Blu-Ray while people were stuck at home, too.


    This is what I struggle with to Chevarian. If April 2020 was the original release date then I would have a lot less frustration and more empathy for EON. Unfortunately it is due to their own production woes that the film was put right in the covid release date bracket in the first place. We should each be holding a copy of this film in our hands right now.
  • EggsyEggsy Posts: 22MI6 Agent
    Yes it’s tough waiting and then just think of the wait for news on what’s next after Craig gets his big bow? Yikes I shudder! J/k but it sucks waiting.
  • Mr MartiniMr Martini That nice house in the sky.Posts: 2,668MI6 Agent
    MarkOOMark wrote:
    Jflynn2112 wrote:
    Not releasing NTTD has all but killed UK (and probably us cinema).

    Lets remember it's the pandemic, and not Bond that will have caused this. There is a good chance by release we may be faced with further restrictions, local, or even full lockdowns, in many places. I honestly think they have made the right call.... I don't think at this knife-edge point in time we should be encouraging any form of social gathering. We certainly would not be going, and most people I know feel the same, and are avoiding any possible risk. I'm not prepared to put my, or my families life at risk for a bloody film, no matter how much I want to see it.... and I really want to see it.

    Maybe they should have considered VOD... I can't see things being better by April, though I desperately hope they are. If it's just about money I think they would get a great return on a digital distribution, and maybe encourage people to see it at a later date at a theatre. I would certainly pay to see it again in a cinema, when it is safe to do so.

    At this point I'd be willing to buy the movie on a Blu-Ray disk. They could package an incentive in the DVD/Blu-Ray/4K packaging to see the movie in the theater. There could be many possibilities for incentives.
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  • SilentSpySilentSpy Private Exotic AreaPosts: 750MI6 Agent
    They just need to release the movie like Disney did with Mulan. If not, this better be one of the best Bond movies with all the extra time they have with the movie just sitting there. They have no excuse for stupid plot holes or creating a Bond movie I'll never watch in full again like Tomorrow Never Dies, Die Another Day, Quantum of Solace, or Skyfall.
    "Better late than never."
  • James SuzukiJames Suzuki New ZealandPosts: 2,383MI6 Agent
    Mulan flopped, didn't it?
    They're really hoping for that big cinema release. Skyfall surpassed a billion and Spectre made a cool 880 million. They'll want to recreate some of those numbers. IMHO I doubt if they'll make that even if there is no worries or concerns about covid come April. I struggle a bit with the news just because nz is doing so well, I'm sure the film would have done quite respectable in nz in November. But I hear its tough in places like UK and US.
    I'm sure if April is looking positive they'll go all out with a proper premiere and all the bunting and banners.
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  • JTMJTM Posts: 2,962MI6 Agent
    SilentSpy wrote:
    They just need to release the movie like Disney did with Mulan.

    On what streaming service? MGM's Epix, Universal's Peacock...? Neither are available internationally. Mulan worked for VOD because of the established Disney+, but even with that popular streaming service with over 60 million subscribers, it's only made around $60-90 million. It also had a brief time in cinemas, making around $65 million. NTTD would not have that.

    So what streaming service would NTTD be released on—hey what about Netflix or Amazon Prime, they're big ones...? If they did that, as it's not MGM's service, I'm assuming they would probably have to pay that service a fee to host the content, plus a cut of any premium fee (like Mulan's $30) to watch it. Even if it made double what Mulan did on Disney+, say around $150 million, NTTD's budget is $250 million, plus A LOT more in marketing costs. They would lose a lot. Bond movies can easily get close to, or make more than, a billion. I think MGM are happy to hold of a release until they could hit close to those numbers.

    And of course there's the piracy factor as well. The moment it hits a streaming service it will be available on every torrent site on the net.
    SilentSpy wrote:
    If not, this better be one of the best Bond movies with all the extra time they have with the movie just sitting there. They have no excuse for stupid plot holes or creating a Bond movie I'll never watch in full again like Tomorrow Never Dies, Die Another Day, Quantum of Solace, or Skyfall.

    The movie's been locked up since March/April and according to Fukunaga, no changed have or will be made before release.
  • Jflynn2112Jflynn2112 Posts: 48MI6 Agent
    I doubt it will be April as well. I can’t see any substantial change in things between now and then.

    This is just underlining what a shitty situation we’re all in at the moment. It’s quite depressing really.
  • Bond_James_BondBond_James_Bond +++ Classified +++Posts: 546MI6 Agent
    How No Time To Die will feel.

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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,697MI6 Agent
    :)) :)) :)) I can't see us being back to normal by April, so I'm
    expecting another delay.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,644MI6 Agent
    edited October 2020
    When it comes to further delays of NTTD, I fear I'll Cry Another Day.
  • AugustWalkerAugustWalker Posts: 766MI6 Agent
    NTTD has now been delayed so many times, it’s come to the point where I say: Just stop giving us release dates. You’re not gonna meet them anyway so just postpone it indefinitely and be done with it!

    Delaying it due to the virus I somewhat could get around in a calm moment but always attaching a new date to it just to call it all off last minute is a constant kick in the nutz.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,697MI6 Agent
    I'm also sure they've been looking at the box-office for Tenet, and adjusting the possible
    profit for NTTD. Come April we may be coming out of the virus but restrictions will probable
    still be in place ( for surviving cinemas ) with limited seating, limited showings.
    Not to mention the amount of unemployment that may well be in place after Christmas.
    Sadly, I think they'll lose money with NTTD, no disrespect to the movie, as I think it
    looks great but the cards are stacked against it. I doubt even a paid streaming release
    will not bring in the expected bucks. ;)

    I really Hope to be proved wrong I'd love NTTD to be one of the biggest hits of 2021 -{
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  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,557MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    One look at this forum, full of people who live and breathe James Bond, and seeing how many are saying they won't see it in a theater, you'd have to be a dummy to put the film out in such a climate.

    Exactly!

    And I‘ve made the decision weeks ago, that I‘ll not see NTTD in the cinema in November - and that included the potential Cast&Crew Premiere that I may have been attending.
    The idea of having (relatively) full cinemas in November for a Bond movie is just crazy!

    Agreed, I wasn’t going to see it either. There was no path to success in November. And it won’t premier in April either. Ah well. As others have pointed out, there are bigger things afoot at the moment.
  • Ammo08Ammo08 Missouri, USAPosts: 384MI6 Agent
    If it didn't take them so darn long to make a Bond film, they would have had it out a while back, before COVID.
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