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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 30,902Chief of Staff
    Alleged emails. And who's doing the alleging? Rudy Giuliani.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,696MI6 Agent
    Perhaps like Hilary he should have deleted
    The alleged emails . ;) Also I seem to remember ( on this thread ) anonymous
    Allegations against Trump which were taken and reported as Fact. Seems one rule for one
    Political party and one for another :D
    Although we'll see as the story unfolds if it
    Disappears like the made up Trump one, or turns out to be true
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,366MI6 Agent
    edited October 2020
    emails again because Trump is not able to come up with anything else with substance?

    Actually Clinton‘s private emails did not contain anything serious * - the impact on the election was simply the announcement by Comey that they’ll start an investigation ( which lead to nothing by the way*).

    *On November 6, in another letter to Congress, Comey stated that, after working "around the clock" to review all of the newly discovered emails, the FBI had not changed the conclusion it reached in July.[181][182][183] An unnamed government official added that the newly discovered emails turned out to be either personal or duplicates of emails previously reviewed, and that Comey's letter represents a conclusion of the investigation.[184] The following day, stock and currency markets around the world surged in response.[185][186][187]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 30,902Chief of Staff
    Perhaps like Hilary he should have deleted
    The alleged emails . ;) Also I seem to remember ( on this thread ) anonymous
    Allegations against Trump which were taken and reported as Fact. Seems one rule for one
    Political party and one for another :D

    I've sent you a PM, Pussy, so we can discuss this without derailing the thread.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,696MI6 Agent
    No problem {[]
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,634MI6 Agent
    You never know, but I don't think this is the "October surprise" Trump needs.

    BTW: I've "ordered" Bob Woodward's book "Rage" from the library. I've avoided any books about Trump so far because they relay so much on anonymous sources. Woodward's book uses taped interviews of White House insiders so I think it must be much more reliable.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,366MI6 Agent
    edited October 2020
    The ‚alleged‘ term has a quite important dimension.

    Rudy Giuliani was in Ukraine and Russia for months („to find dirt about the Bidens“) and the FBI constantly warned him that Russia may give him fabricated ‚evidence‘ just because they are trying to influence the election again.

    So far, the content of the emails is unknown and noone has really checked the authenticity of it.
    With the tendency of the Trump administration to throw any kind of dirt and see what may stick ( with voters),:the info about those emails and the accusations should be taken with a grain of salt - or two.

    Pointing out those facts is nothing to be criticized for - if anybody feels that that is a kind of abuse - well - boo-hoo :D
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,366MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    You never know, but I don't think this is the "October surprise" Trump needs.

    BTW: I've "ordered" Bob Woodward's book "Rage" from the library. I've avoided any books about Trump so far because they relay so much on anonymous sources. Woodward's book uses taped interviews of White House insiders so I think it must be much more reliable.

    Woodward is probably the highest profilic journalist in the US.
    He is widely respected - and feared by the people who want to cover something up.

    I like his attitude „I have already spoken with several sources from your own administration and want to hear what you have to say. You are free to comment or not - regardless, I stand with my story and will publish it“
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,696MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote ; " if anybody feels that that is a kind of abuse - well - boo-hoo" :D

    I think we've for our contender for next years Nobel peace prize :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 30,902Chief of Staff
    I like peace. I like it very much, and I am sure I'm not alone in that.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,634MI6 Agent
    Yes, peace is usually preferable.

    About Biden's son I think there is no doubt what the Ukrainian oil company's intention were when they hired him - it was because of his father (I wrote "farther" at first :)) ). Hopefully Hunter was also aware of this and knew where the limits were. But none of that really matters. The only thing that matters is if Biden senior gave the oil company any unfair advatages. I can't say that's been proven.

    The way Trump handled this was typically him: he didn't know or care how these cases are handled. If he suspected his main political rival's son was inviolved in corruption a president should contact his minister of justice or the FBI director and suggest Americans involved in corruption in Ukraine should be investigated. Do not mention any names! What Trump did was sending his personal lawyer to dig up dirt spesifically on Hunter Biden. Trump doesn't know what not to do legally about political oponents. Four years ago he asked Russia (let's be real, that's Russian secret service) to help him dig up dirt about Hillary.
    Now he asks his lawyer to find dirt on his oponents son. This why Trump gets impeached so often. A president can't ask foreign nations to help him in an election and he can't start a private investigation against his rival's son.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,696MI6 Agent
    https://youtu.be/o67vWrkWUAQ

    Just for Barbel {[]
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 30,902Chief of Staff
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 30,902Chief of Staff
    (Or, if you're feeling silly)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3-5Q_dRJDQ
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,634MI6 Agent
    :)) :)) :))

    And Trump hasn't started any wars (phew!) unlike the last Republican who was president, so I'll give him that.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,696MI6 Agent
    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2017/01/18/commentary/world-commentary/obama-war-peace/
    An interesting piece ( Peace ) on the last Democratic President and his, .... record on War :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Westward_DriftWestward_Drift Posts: 2,481MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    :)) :)) :))

    And Trump hasn't started any wars (phew!) unlike the last Republican who was president, so I'll give him that.

    As long as Trump can assist Russia or Turkey he's a regular surrender monkey. Just look at Syria.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,634MI6 Agent
    I agree on most of the article in the link and I also agree with Geir Lundestad when he wrote the Obama peace prize was a mistake.
    but I have couple of comments. I don't know of any US orchestrating of an Islamist insurgency in Benghazi city. Are there any sources on that?
    The bombing of Libya was a huge mistake, but at least he had the wisdom of not putting any US boots on Libyan soil. The US invasion of Iraq was probably the worst single decision of any US president since WWII. Among many other nagative effects the Iraqi invasion indirectly created ISIS.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,696MI6 Agent
    Trump is actually bringing troops home -{ ...... I guess he'll be blamed for that too :D
    "That bloody warmonger not starting any wars and bringing Soldiers home again
    Damn if only we had a peace loving president "
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,634MI6 Agent
    Of course! When he pulled US troops out of northern Iraq he stabbed the Kurds, the best allies in the area, in the back and did a huge favour to Assad, Putin and ISIS. He didn't even give his allies a fair warning.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,696MI6 Agent
    Interesting that you want more troops in the middle east ? with more western Interference in
    the running of other countries ........ because that has worked out so well in the past....and of
    course you ignore his Peace work, for which he was Nominated for some countries Peace prize. :p
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,634MI6 Agent
    The US involvement in northern Iraq was minimal, at least in terms of taking part in direct warfare. The Kurds did most of the fighting and they did it well. The US army mostly did training and supply of the Kurds and US casualties wer every low. But then Trump pulled out of the region with no warning to the Kurds - one day they were there and the next they were gone. Then the enemies of the united states moved in and there was a lot more fighting, so much the Kurds couldn't watch the prisons where the ISIS was held and many escaped. I wanted the US to stay in order to keep the fighting to a minimum and the ISIS locked up
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,634MI6 Agent
    I just found out there are more things going on in the world going on right now than the US election and some of them are not even Trump's fault! :o :o :o
    For example a teacher was decapitated in France the other day because he used a cariicature of Muhamed as a teaching aid. Nine people are arrested for this horrible crime. There is no doubt there are elements of the immigrant population in France who cannot accept they are living in a country with free speech and a few prefer to use extreme violence if France isn't the way they want it to be. I hope France and other countries with similar problems find a solution to this problem.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,366MI6 Agent
    edited October 2020
    I am often amazed how short the memory span is when populists make their simplistic claims!
    Question is, if they are really that stupid and uneducated or if they are simply taking their ( insert some of your favorite insults) audience for a ride with that stupidity!

    „Fun“ Facts:
    In Obama‘s 8 years, he ordered 542 (BBC quoted below says 1878) drone strikes
    In Trump‘s first 2 years, Trump ordered 2243 drone strikes * and Trump ordered that stats about victims and collaterals are not being published.

    When we are comparing those numbers with GWB, we must keep in mind, that

    - drone technology made incredible progress in the years after GWB
    - GWB had „ boots on the ground“ to execute missions against islamists, so drone strikes were not his only tools. He had alternatives.

    And while we are on it, let‘s not forget the purpose of those drone strikes:

    After GWB set the entire near/middle East on fire, islamists such as ISIS, Taliban and others went into the gaps and the mission was to take them out without really having troops there.

    Not taking any action would have resulted in an Islamist califate of a large scale over many countries with probably millions of enslaved people ( think of the jesidians ) and millions of fatalities.

    So, just counting the numbers of drone strikes as an indicator how „ peaceful“ a US president really is - is just propaganda
    Life always is a bit more complex than how it‘s drawn out in right wing echochambers who try to appear „peace angels“ - they are not!


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_strikes_in_Pakistan

    * https://worldbeyondwar.org/u-s-drone-strikes-gone-432-since-trump-took-office/
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,366MI6 Agent
    edited October 2020
    An „interesting“ factcheck about Japantimes because I‘ve stumbled over the closing sentence

    >> Rarely before has a president assumed office in a major democracy with the deep state and mainstream media so unwelcoming to him. If critics succeed in crimping Trump’s presidency, Obama’s legacy will look better than the actual record.<<

    It stroke me as a pathetic and obvious attempt from a 5th grader trying to insert some right wing propaganda into a political opinion piece:


    2017 verkaufte Nifco die Japan Times an News2u Holdings. Die neuen Eigentümer säuberten alsbald die Redaktion von unliebsamen Kolumnisten, darunter Jeff Kingston von der Temple University Tokyo und Yamaguchi Jiro von der Hōsei-Universität, beide Kritiker der Regierung von Shinzo Abe.

    ....


    Am 30. November 2018 kündigte die Japan Times an, Sprachregelungen der politischen Rechten Japans zu übernehmen

    Translation:“ 2017, Nifco sold the Japan Times to News2u Holdings. The new owners cleaned immediately the editorial staff from inconvenient columnists - such as .... both critics of Mr. Abe‘s government“

    „On 30th November 2019, The Japan Times announced, that they will adapt terms and wordings from the political right in Japan“

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Japan_Times
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,634MI6 Agent
    edited October 2020
    deleted by myself
  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 974MI6 Agent
    I am often amazed that the populists of the left fail to acknowledge that their populism is every bit as simplistic as that of their counterparts on the right!
    It also amazes me that they even fail to acknowledge the existence of their 'social populism' and that, like all populism, it is designed to prey on the most stupid of society!
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,634MI6 Agent
    You're right in saying leftist populism can be every bit as stupid as the one on the right. The rioting and burning done for months by far left activist is a good example. Burning down their own neighbourhoods and cities is both illegal and litterally destructive, not to mention the only ones benefiting is the Trump campaign.

    But conspiracy theories (often re-tweeted by Trump) and anti-science propaganda usually comes from the right.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,696MI6 Agent
    Like the Conspiracy theory about Trump
    And Putin the Democrats have been selling for years now ?
    Absolutely all Right wing theories. :D

    By the way great to have you back
    Joshua, nice to hear a sensible voice
    Now and again. {[]
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 17,634MI6 Agent
    That's not a conspiracy theory. Trump really did ask Russia to help him dig up dirt about Hillary for the election. Russia did help his campaign, and all US inteligence services and the Mueller report made that very clear.
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