Was Koskov in TLD killed?

Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 18,127MI6 Agent
edited September 10 in The James Bond Films

We all remember general Pushkin saying about Koskov: "Send him back to Moscow ..... in the diplomatic bag". Does that mean he was killed?

I'm convinced he was. I did a little bit of research om diplomatic bags. They are bags or pouches that has to be clearly marked and it's considered a extremely serious breach of international rules to open by other countries. It's only to be used for official letters and articles. How large are they? Not very. The Italian police actually opened one of Ecuador's diplomatic bags and found 40 kg of cocaine!

Obviously this is such a grave missuse of the bag it warrants the police opening it. But if whoever was responsible for the smugling would've put more in there if they could. The risk was the same anyway. If the bag was opened the result was the same regardless if there was 40 or 80 kg of cocaine, so they would've shoved as much drugs in there as possible to maximise profits. So in my opinion it gives is a rough idea of how much can be put into a diplomatic bag. Koskov must've weighed at least double 80 kilos.

Was Pushkin being litteral when he said that? Maybe, maybe not. But I'm convinced you don't say to a group of spetsnaz commandoes to send an official back in the a diplomatic bag if you want him to get home alive. What's your opinion? Do you agree or disagree?

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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 18,127MI6 Agent

    I got the obvious idea of asking Google how large a diplomatic bag can be. The official limit is a maximum weight if 40 lbs or 24 times 62 inches. What about the Ecuadorian bag filled with drugs? I don't know, maybe the journalist mixed up pounds and kilos?

  • The Domino EffectThe Domino Effect Posts: 3,215MI6 Agent

    I could be wrong, but I seem to recall that the term Diplomatic Bag doesn't necessarily have to refer to a bag or sack but can be used to refer to large equipment that is shipped to an embassy such as computers, communications equipment, coding/de-coding equipment etc in whatever packaging is necessary, particularly crates. I believe that as long as it is properly sealed, bearing Diplomatic markings and accompanied by the correct paperwork it can be classed as Diplomatic and therefore can't be opened by another country. However, if the country is suspicious of its contents, it can refuse to allow the 'bag' to enter the country (at risk of creating a Diplomatic incident, of course). The Soviet Union once tried to pass off an entire truck as Diplomatic and drive it to Switzerland but the Swiss objected and sent it back. As for smuggling a body, that is not without precedence. Some years ago following a coup in Nigeria, a Nigerian politician who had fled to the UK was kidnapped, blindfolded, drugged and bound and put in a crate and taken to Stansted to be flown to Nigeria as a Diplomatic package. UK Customs became suspicious of the crate when they noticed a peculiar smell coming from it. Fortunately for the politician, the senders hadn't properly sealed and marked the crate as Diplomatic and Customs were able to open it, whereupon they found him and freed him. Based on that, I would say that it is theoretically possible to send a body - living or dead - in a Diplomatic Bag.

  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 18,127MI6 Agent

    On further inspection it seems you're right. Even a shipping container can be a diplomatic bag if properly marked and sealed. So Koskov could have been sent home alive. Thanks for the info. I think Koskov was most likely killed regardless. He did technically defect and he certainly tampered with millions of state funds.

    It's possible he was imprisoned for life (or until the fall of the Society Union?), but if you're sent home in the diplomatic bag your fate is very dark regardless.

  • chrisno1chrisno1 LondonPosts: 1,254MI6 Agent

    I always thought the line referred to Koskov being sealed, stamped and signed for - a thing of personal/ political interest to the Soviet government. I didn't think Pushkin meant to sign, seal & deliver him ! I never even considered he would be killed. The Bond films were still a little frivolous post-Moore and I always suspected the idea was to bring Koskov back in a later film. I was most amazed he survived the head on collision with the transport plane, which ought to have killed him. Maybe he had nine lives, Koskov the Kat perhaps...

  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 3,358MI6 Agent

    Was Koskov killed?

    Absolutely.

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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 18,127MI6 Agent

    I think Pushkin was saying Koskov was finished. He was no longer a general, or a returning hero as Koskov hoped for at that moment. He was an arrested crimminal. I think he was most likely executed, but he may have ended in jail. Was he sent by the diplomatic bag? It's possible, but it was far more possible in 1937 than it was in 1987. But if Koskov was executed in Tunisia to avoid the transport to the Soviet Union and a trial there. Such a trial would've been secret, but still embarrasing to many powerful people there. So perhaps killing him in Tunisia would've been easier, but only if his dead body wasn't found and identified there. So the diplomatic bag isn't a likely solution, but a possible one. Especially in the Bond universe.

  • Shady TreeShady Tree London, UKPosts: 2,309MI6 Agent
    edited September 12

    As Koskov's led away, Jerome Krabbe's comical style of performing an alarmed response to Pushkin's sardonic order signals that the moment is to be taken none too seriously. Whether Koskov's to be executed or not - and presumably he will be - his exit from the stage is like that of a pantomime villain or a baddy in melodrama, with no more significance, really.

    The intended dramatic weight falls more on the showdown between Bond and Whitaker; Koskov's sign-off is like an amusing after-note. If Koskov had been less of a lightweight jackanapes, it might have been apt to have shown him killed in the collision with the transport plane - a Bondian end for a villain - but, as it is, the wily rascal's final comeuppance is more fitting: we finish in Dick Dastardly terrìtory!

    As Muttley might have put it: "Snazza frazza rashin' fashin' Reorgi Roskov!"

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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,864Quartermasters

    I certainly hope he was killed - and if not, sent to the worst gulag in the most inhospitable corner of the country.

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  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 4,223MI6 Agent

    Yes, that’s my response to it too. Also I don’t think Pushkin is being literal: it’s just the switcheroo in his line to reveal that Koskov won’t actually be treated as a friend. Pushkin is the ally in this film don’t forget: we can’t have our genial ally characters executing people. He lives.

  • The Red KindThe Red Kind EnglandPosts: 2,011MI6 Agent

    I've always thought he lives too. Sent back and chucked in a Gulag and forgotten about.

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