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  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 4,140MI6 Agent
    We did TMWTGG and TSWLM over the weekend.

    TMWTGG:
    I know it's lower on a lot of lists but I've always kinda liked this one, probably because I'm such a big fan of Christopher Lee. I love how he plays Scaramanga as the dark side of Bond, and he absolutely plays the role with the appropriate gusto. I also like that he's portrayed as being competent at his job unlike a lot of other Bond villains.

    Speaking of competence: Bond himself is actually portrayed as being appropriately professional in his job Unlike in LALD where he essentially succeeds by pure luck or in spite of himself, he's actively GOOD AT HIS JOB in this film. He follows leads, makes plans, and executes (usually successfully) those plans based upon his training. Things don't just 'happen' to him in the film. He's a driving force for all of the action, just as he should be. All of the incompetence is relegated to the Britt Ekland Goodnight role. Unfortunately, her character goes a long way towards sinking the movie, because there's simply no way that a character that incompetent would have that sort of job or survive for any length of time out in the field. The very fact that she's there to help Bond gives the film a veneer of unbelievability that it never really shakes.

    The main issue with the film is probably with the fact that they try too hard to give Moore's take on the character a 'harder edge.' The hotel scene where he interrogates Maud Adams? That's not Moore, that's Connery. The film has a few other instances where Bond just feels 'off'. When Moore is allowed to be Moore, he's fine.

    Another issue is that the movie tends to shoot itself in the foot whenever something interesting or exciting is going on. The fantastic spiral jump did not deserve to be undermined by the slide whistle. The Kung Fu school did not deserve to have Bond get rescued by two shoolgirls (Bond should have been able to fend for himself much better here).

    In spite of all that, I still enjoy the film. The solex stuff is extraneous (it should have been a straightforward Spy Vs Spy scenario) but it doesn't detract from the film.

    TSWLM:
    Arguably Moore's best film. I'm not sure if it has any flaws to it, in all honesty. They've finally dialed in on Moore's take on Bond, and he's surrounded by an adventure which is thoroughly thrilling and entertaining from beginning to end.

    Again, Bond is competent. He isn't perfect and he allows his arrogance to get the best of him (when XXX knocks him out to take the microfilm), but he's generally good at his job. He's also matched with his equal on the Russian side, and I think that the dynamic between the two characters is played to perfection. I have some issues with the relative flatness of Bach's portrayal of Anya, but it doesn't hurt the film itself.

    Jaws makes for a fun henchman. He's intelligent and appropriately menacing, and...by sheer luck...he's used perfectly for comic relief without completely undermining his menace.

    Stromberg is a solid villain who is obviously intelligent and has a pretty well thought out plan. It may steal from the plot of YOLT but still, it's strong.

    The sets and the set pieces are all amazing. Everything has a sense of scale to it that gives an appropriate sense of awe. The interior of the super tanker is probably the best single set that the Bond series has ever produced, and all of the action that takes place in that set flat out works.

    The car is one of the best of the series and is arguable the most iconic (giving the DB5 a run for its money). It was the right car to use for the submarine sequence because the body shape made sense for believability; it LOOKED like a vehicle that could move underwater.

    The Marvin Hamlisch score also works. It's different from what John Barry would have made, but it's still Bondian. I dig it a lot. The title song (and the Maurice Binder footage) is one of the strongest of the series as well.

    Love it.

    Current rewatch rankings:
    OHMSS>FRWL>TSWLM>YOLT>DN>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>DAF
    Current rankings (updated 12/21)
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>NTTD>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>DN>YOLT>OP>
    TND>TWINE>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 3,394MI6 Agent
    thanks Gymkata , I was worried we weren't going to get a Golden Gun review from you! keep'em coming

    I'm not sure Goodnight's job was ever supposed to be field agent. In the book she's Bond's personal secretary, transferred to a diplomatic position in Jamaica when Bond is presumed dead. When Bond arrives on a mission in Jamaica she volunteers to help him (mostly doing research). I was assuming her career path and motivation was basically the same in the film, she knows him and is volunteering to help even though this isn't her normal job. Difference of course is that she is competent in the book.
  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 4,140MI6 Agent
    Thank you, Caractacus. -{

    Full disclosure, I haven't read any of the books. None of them. I've meant to read them for some time but I keep getting caught up in other series. As such, I can't comment on how a character is portrayed in a book vs how he/she is portrayed in a movie.

    My thing is this: I like my heroes to be good at their jobs. It's one of the main reasons why I like the JOHN WICK movies as much as I do...there's nothing better than to watch someone who is absolutely at the top of the heap do their job and do it well. It's why I like the Bond films where he shows off that he's highly trained, intelligent, and savvy. I don't mind Bond failing due to underestimating an opponent or making an honest mistake, but I do mind it when Bond wins due to sheer luck or due to his enemy's incompetence. Bond should win because he's better than his opponent. He should be challenged and face setbacks, but he should ultimately be victorious because he's simply better than his enemy. He should also not surround himself with amateurs who are going to botch his mission, and Goodnight is definitely an amateur.

    Anyways, the wife is indicating that she might be wanting to take a brief break from our Bond rewatch. I guess she wants to recharge the batteries before tackling the majesty that is MOONRAKER.
    Current rankings (updated 12/21)
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>NTTD>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>DN>YOLT>OP>
    TND>TWINE>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 3,394MI6 Agent
    jeepers Gymkata you seem like a literate guy! they're quick reads and I'm sure you'll enjoy them.
    but yes one danger is, like me, you might start confusing the two versions of the stories ... things that are true in the books I assume to be true in the films unless explicitly explained otherwise, yet I know within the self-contained universe of the film those things aren't true at all.

    all I remember of Moore and Ecklands first meeting in the film is that Moore reflexively rolls his eyes and says her name in an already annoyed tone of voice. I'm not sure we are ever told her job description, but we are told she is a silly comedy relief character who can be relied on to do klutzy things and complicate the plot through her stereotypically dumb blonde incompetence.
  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    Gymkata wrote:
    That's not Moore, that's Connery. 

    When Roger toughens up, Connery gets the credit. When Connery makes a campy Bond film like DAF, Roger gets the blame. :))
    Gymkata wrote:
    He follows leads, makes plans, and executes (usually successfully) those plans based upon his training.  Things don't just 'happen' to him in the film.  He's a driving force for all of the action, just as he should be. 

    I really like what you're saying, but in this case I would say it's actually Goodnight who is the driving force for the action. She is responsible for making Bond fly to the island by getting herself locked in the boot. She also blows up the island by knocking the worker into the vat, and even nearly kills Bond by activating the solar beam with her butt. 8-)
    Gymkata wrote:
    I also like that he's portrayed as being competent at his job unlike a lot of other Bond villains.

    It bothers me that he knows so little about his own solar operation. But yes, quite an effective killing machine.

    I wish the solex plot would have been dropped and Scaramanga's threat was real.
    My current 10 favorite:

    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,050MI6 Agent
    The solex plot is a bit rubbish but it's there to add the MI6 reason to be involved at all based on the energy crisis at the time - otherwise it's just Bond running around Thailand looking for a nut who's sent a bullet.
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • WadsyWadsy Auckland, New ZealandPosts: 408MI6 Agent
    Remington wrote:
    Wadsy wrote:
    Licence To Kill. I was heavily disappointed with it this time around, feeling cold, that this is not James Bond (something I've never felt before while watching this 8-) ), drab locations and cheap value, forgettable bond girls, forgettable soundtrack, no British Secret Service appearances of MI6 and a bad ending. The good points, Dalton's performance, Robert Davi as Sanchez (one of the best villains) and good henchmen. It was also good to see Felix Leiter return to Bond, but this is now my least favourite Bond film of the 80's - yes worse than AVTAK because at least that was a bond movie.

    Comparisons between AVTAK and LTK

    * Timothy Dalton does a WAY better performance in LTK than Roger Moore does in AVTAK.
    * Carey Lowell is a better actor than Tanya Roberts, but Roberts is hotter in the beauty contest
    * AVTAK has better action scenes - no I'm not kidding when I really think about it
    * Sanchez and Zorin are awesome villains and two of my favourites in the series, but I think Zorin is more memorable in positive ways
    * AVTAK has better locations AND score
    * Both have stupid moments in them that don't make sense, LTK wins on this front having less of these scenes
    * AVTAK has a better finale on the Golden Gate Bridge (possibly Moore's best final) whereas LTK goes on a bit too long
    * Grace Jones is more memorable than Talisa Soto
    * Much to the annoyance of many, I liked AVTAK's plot more than LTK. A revenge story is awesome, but like QOS and DAF, it didn't work too well because it left me feeling cold and MI6 hardly appear in LTK
    * AVTAK is a bond movie. LTK feels too dark and lacks charm and emotional depth of a bond movie

    This is a sad day.
    -{

    Don't worry, rejoice :) . I saw it again recently and loved it, but what's funny is that it's a lot easier to pin point things you don't like about something you love, well for me at least. I think that's what happened earlier, but even after seeing all the bond films that's the one I want to go back to re-watch the most because it's so entertaining, it's so bond with Dalton's superb portrayal and it's well made (besides locations and lack of MI6 appearances). Check my signature bond rankings :)
    1. FYEO 2. OHMSS 3. LTK 4. FRWL 5. TSWLM 6. SF 7. TLD 8. SP 9. GF 10. MR 11. AVTAK 12. DN 13. GE 14. CR 15. LALD 16. TB 17. YOLT 18. TND 19. OP 20. TWINE 21. TMWTGG 22. QOS 23. DAF 24. DAD 25. NSNA 26. CR '67

    1. Dalton 2. Moore 3. Connery 4. Craig 5. Lazenby 6. Brosnan
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,050MI6 Agent
    Wadsy wrote:
    Don't worry, rejoice :) . I saw it again recently and loved it, but what's funny is that it's a lot easier to pin point things you don't like about something you love, well for me at least. I think that's what happened earlier, but even after seeing all the bond films that's the one I want to go back to re-watch the most because it's so entertaining, it's so bond with Dalton's superb portrayal and it's well made (besides locations and lack of MI6 appearances). Check my signature bond rankings :)

    Cry wolf much mate? You've gone from hating it to loving it again within a week with diatribes in about 8 different threads!

    Next time perhaps I won't listen so much!! :))
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 4,140MI6 Agent
    The wife caved and we did MOONRAKER last night.

    I have a weird relationship with this movie. I loved it when I saw it theatrically back in 1979 (seriously, this thing absolutely killed in my theater) but subsequent viewings on television were not kind to it. I ended up buying into the whole 'MOONRAKER is the worst Bond movie' way of thinking for a long time. About 10 years ago I watched it again after a long break and it totally worked for me. It's worked for me ever since and last night's viewing only solidified my feeling that it's one of the very best of the Bond films.

    The film starts off as a pretty serious, straightforward Bond film. Most of the first act could have come from TSWLM in terms of content and tone. Slowly, the film starts to get ridiculous. It's a gradual thing for the most part (except for the gondola scene, which I'll get to later), with the silliness and insanity slowly escalating until you must utterly embrace the ridiculous or turn the film off. If you got for it and embrace the ridiculous, you should have a big smile on your face for the entire third act.

    I think that a lot of credit must be given to director Lewis Gilbert for pulling this off, because getting a tone like this right is very, very hard to accomplish. It helps that Moore plays it absolutely straight (apart from his usual quips) and never lets on that he's in a farce, but everything surrounding him is well thought out in terms of its effect on the audience. Apart from the gondola sequence, it's all gradual and never jarring.

    The secret weapon of the film is Michael Lonsdale's performance as Drax, though. His bored, arrogant, detached line delivery provides the perfect counterpoint to the insanity that's going on around him. It's not just playing it straight, it's playing it as if everything around him is utterly and completely normal. If you dial in on his character and how he reacts to every situation, you get balanced out. It's a performance of pure genius and a credit to both the actor and the director for getting that character exactly right, because a manic villain would have absolutely killed the movie.

    Dr. Goodhead (I still can't believe that they went with that name) is adequate. She's fairly wooden in her performance, and I think that flatness helps to balance the insanity as well.

    Jaws is fine. They faced tremendous pressure from fans to soften him up and make him a good guy, so he gets to have fun in terms of escalating the absurdity of his character. It's obvious that Kiel is having fun and that's kinda infectious. Side note: one of my favorite things in the movie is when Drax calls up HENCHMEN R US to get a replacement. 'Oh, he's available? I'll take him.' The fact that there's a henchman temporary service is genius.

    The one mistake is the Gondola scene. It's too much ridiculousness, too soon. The scene itself is extraneous (it really serves no purpose in the film other than to do another action sequence) and should have been cut just for pacing purposes, but the whole thing is out of place in terms of tone. The double-taking pigeon is especially awful.

    That scene aside, the film is a blast. I just love it. Add in the fact that John Barry is back doing one of his best scores and it's a real treat. I even like the theme song and rate it as the second best of the Shirley Bassey numers (with GF being the best).

    Current rewatch rankings:
    OHMSS>FRWL>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>DN>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>DAF
    Current rankings (updated 12/21)
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>NTTD>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>DN>YOLT>OP>
    TND>TWINE>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • RemingtonRemington CAPosts: 239MI6 Agent
    Wadsy wrote:
    Remington wrote:
    Wadsy wrote:
    Licence To Kill. I was heavily disappointed with it this time around, feeling cold, that this is not James Bond (something I've never felt before while watching this 8-) ), drab locations and cheap value, forgettable bond girls, forgettable soundtrack, no British Secret Service appearances of MI6 and a bad ending. The good points, Dalton's performance, Robert Davi as Sanchez (one of the best villains) and good henchmen. It was also good to see Felix Leiter return to Bond, but this is now my least favourite Bond film of the 80's - yes worse than AVTAK because at least that was a bond movie.

    Comparisons between AVTAK and LTK

    * Timothy Dalton does a WAY better performance in LTK than Roger Moore does in AVTAK.
    * Carey Lowell is a better actor than Tanya Roberts, but Roberts is hotter in the beauty contest
    * AVTAK has better action scenes - no I'm not kidding when I really think about it
    * Sanchez and Zorin are awesome villains and two of my favourites in the series, but I think Zorin is more memorable in positive ways
    * AVTAK has better locations AND score
    * Both have stupid moments in them that don't make sense, LTK wins on this front having less of these scenes
    * AVTAK has a better finale on the Golden Gate Bridge (possibly Moore's best final) whereas LTK goes on a bit too long
    * Grace Jones is more memorable than Talisa Soto
    * Much to the annoyance of many, I liked AVTAK's plot more than LTK. A revenge story is awesome, but like QOS and DAF, it didn't work too well because it left me feeling cold and MI6 hardly appear in LTK
    * AVTAK is a bond movie. LTK feels too dark and lacks charm and emotional depth of a bond movie

    This is a sad day.
    -{

    Don't worry, rejoice :) . I saw it again recently and loved it, but what's funny is that it's a lot easier to pin point things you don't like about something you love, well for me at least. I think that's what happened earlier, but even after seeing all the bond films that's the one I want to go back to re-watch the most because it's so entertaining, it's so bond with Dalton's superb portrayal and it's well made (besides locations and lack of MI6 appearances). Check my signature bond rankings :)
    Good man.
    -{
    1. Connery 2. Moore 3. Dalton 4. Brosnan 5. Craig 6. Lazenby
  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    Wadsy wrote:
    Don't worry, rejoice :) . I saw it again recently and loved it, but what's funny is that it's a lot easier to pin point things you don't like about something you love, well for me at least. I think that's what happened earlier, but even after seeing all the bond films that's the one I want to go back to re-watch the most because it's so entertaining, it's so bond with Dalton's superb portrayal and it's well made (besides locations and lack of MI6 appearances). Check my signature bond rankings :)

    Cry wolf much mate? You've gone from hating it to loving it again within a week with diatribes in about 8 different threads!

    Next time perhaps I won't listen so much!! :))

    LOL what a rollercoaster of emotions.
    My current 10 favorite:

    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    Gymkata wrote:
    The wife caved and we did MOONRAKER last night.

    I have a weird relationship with this movie. I loved it when I saw it theatrically back in 1979 (seriously, this thing absolutely killed in my theater) but subsequent viewings on television were not kind to it. I ended up buying into the whole 'MOONRAKER is the worst Bond movie' way of thinking for a long time. About 10 years ago I watched it again after a long break and it totally worked for me. It's worked for me ever since and last night's viewing only solidified my feeling that it's one of the very best of the Bond films.

    The film starts off as a pretty serious, straightforward Bond film. Most of the first act could have come from TSWLM in terms of content and tone. Slowly, the film starts to get ridiculous. It's a gradual thing for the most part (except for the gondola scene, which I'll get to later), with the silliness and insanity slowly escalating until you must utterly embrace the ridiculous or turn the film off. If you got for it and embrace the ridiculous, you should have a big smile on your face for the entire third act.

    I think that a lot of credit must be given to director Lewis Gilbert for pulling this off, because getting a tone like this right is very, very hard to accomplish. It helps that Moore plays it absolutely straight (apart from his usual quips) and never lets on that he's in a farce, but everything surrounding him is well thought out in terms of its effect on the audience. Apart from the gondola sequence, it's all gradual and never jarring.

    The secret weapon of the film is Michael Lonsdale's performance as Drax, though. His bored, arrogant, detached line delivery provides the perfect counterpoint to the insanity that's going on around him. It's not just playing it straight, it's playing it as if everything around him is utterly and completely normal. If you dial in on his character and how he reacts to every situation, you get balanced out. It's a performance of pure genius and a credit to both the actor and the director for getting that character exactly right, because a manic villain would have absolutely killed the movie.

    Dr. Goodhead (I still can't believe that they went with that name) is adequate. She's fairly wooden in her performance, and I think that flatness helps to balance the insanity as well.

    Jaws is fine. They faced tremendous pressure from fans to soften him up and make him a good guy, so he gets to have fun in terms of escalating the absurdity of his character. It's obvious that Kiel is having fun and that's kinda infectious. Side note: one of my favorite things in the movie is when Drax calls up HENCHMEN R US to get a replacement. 'Oh, he's available? I'll take him.' The fact that there's a henchman temporary service is genius.

    The one mistake is the Gondola scene. It's too much ridiculousness, too soon. The scene itself is extraneous (it really serves no purpose in the film other than to do another action sequence) and should have been cut just for pacing purposes, but the whole thing is out of place in terms of tone. The double-taking pigeon is especially awful.

    That scene aside, the film is a blast. I just love it. Add in the fact that John Barry is back doing one of his best scores and it's a real treat. I even like the theme song and rate it as the second best of the Shirley Bassey numers (with GF being the best).

    Current rewatch rankings:
    OHMSS>FRWL>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>DN>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>DAF


    What did your wife think of MR? You should require her to keep a ranking as well haha.

    Moonraker speaks for itself. It doesn’t need any defense or revisionist film critism to explain why it’s an amazing movie. The only thing is you have to get over that strong bias that it’s “the worst Bond film” and give it a fair chance.

    The soundtrack and title song are honestly my favorite in the whole series. Infact I just ordered the CD on amazon even though it’s not the complete version.

    Calling the henchmen hotline is a good example of the dry humor in the film. Same with Jaws setting off the metal detector at the airport. Or the smoker giving up smoking after seeing the coffin float under the bridge. It’s a very funny film without going too far into cringeworthy broad comedy like in OP.

    “You missed Mr. Bond” “Did I? As you said such good sport.” To me, that is classic dry humor only found in Bond films and one of the main reasons I am such a fan. It doesn’t get any better than Moonraker for perfect entertainment value.
    My current 10 favorite:

    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • Colonel ShatnerColonel Shatner Chavtastic Bristol, BritainPosts: 564MI6 Agent
    Skyfall on a blu ray copy (with both director's and production crew's commentaries). I appreciate Silva more as a villain now and one of his highlights was in the courthouse; when M escapes and Bond's crew have gunned down two of his mercs, in a tantrum he randomly guns down a innocent bystander. :))
    'Alright guard, begin the unnecessarily slow moving dipping mechanism...'
  • WadsyWadsy Auckland, New ZealandPosts: 408MI6 Agent
    Wadsy wrote:
    Don't worry, rejoice :) . I saw it again recently and loved it, but what's funny is that it's a lot easier to pin point things you don't like about something you love, well for me at least. I think that's what happened earlier, but even after seeing all the bond films that's the one I want to go back to re-watch the most because it's so entertaining, it's so bond with Dalton's superb portrayal and it's well made (besides locations and lack of MI6 appearances). Check my signature bond rankings :)

    Cry wolf much mate? You've gone from hating it to loving it again within a week with diatribes in about 8 different threads!

    Next time perhaps I won't listen so much!! :))

    Funny, but I never said I hated it... I was just not as impressed and felt slightly disappointed on that viewing.
    1. FYEO 2. OHMSS 3. LTK 4. FRWL 5. TSWLM 6. SF 7. TLD 8. SP 9. GF 10. MR 11. AVTAK 12. DN 13. GE 14. CR 15. LALD 16. TB 17. YOLT 18. TND 19. OP 20. TWINE 21. TMWTGG 22. QOS 23. DAF 24. DAD 25. NSNA 26. CR '67

    1. Dalton 2. Moore 3. Connery 4. Craig 5. Lazenby 6. Brosnan
  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 4,140MI6 Agent
    We did FOR YOUR EYES ONLY last night.

    This is a good first effort by John Glenn but it lacks the panache to make it really memorable. There's really no tension or sense of urgency in any of the scenes, so the film kinda just happens. There are many solid action sequences in it (especially the ski scene), but none of them really stand out when compared to the other films.

    This is probably my favorite performance of Roger Moore's though. He has such a calm, competent assurance to him in this film that makes you feel like you're in good hands. I'm glad that a bit more ruthlessness was brought back into his character (with him kicking Lodque over the cliff edge) because it's something that needs to be present if you're to believe that he's out there saving the world. He also shows the most dramatic range in this film and probably does his best overall job of 'acting.' That's good, because some of the supporting actors (especially Lynn-Holly Johnson) aren't really up to snuff. I'll touch more on that later.

    I love the plot itself. They're chasing after a McGuffin, making for a pretty easy through-line. I also love the fact that, in the end, nobody gets it (detente indeed) and everyone goes away laughing like professionals. The revenge sub plot for Melina isn't particularly strong but it doesn't take up a lot of real estate.

    Speaking of Melina...wow. Carole Bouquet is one gorgeous woman. She's a pretty middling actress in this but she's adequate enough to do the job. At least her character is an asset to the story, not a hindrance (she never makes any deliberate goofs to get in Bond's way).

    The film does have some weak spots, though.
    - The humor, apart from Bond's quips, never really works like it did in the prior films. The ending bit with Margaret Thatcher is particularly awful.
    - The Moore/Johnson 'romance' is poorly conceived and, to be frank, really uncomfortable to watch. I'll grant that Bond does do his best to rebuff her but still, it's hard to watch. The idea that she'd be instantly attracted to a 50 year old man and make a play for him reeks of a thought process that I don't want to contemplate.
    - The acting isn't the best. In some cases, it's just bad line readings. In other cases, it's simply bad acting. Moore, Glover, Topol, and the Bond regulars are all doing fine work (especially Moore), but everyone else is really subpar. Lynn-Holly Johnson stands out as being particularly bad, but almost all of the supporting characters seem to be completely lost as to how to act or deliver their lines.

    Those flaws don't kill the film, though. Again, I happen to really like it as a pretty solid Bond film. It's honestly too bad that Glenn didn't have more experience as director at this point because TLD shows what he's capable of.

    Side note: there were two instances of PG nudity here that I don't recall seeing before (once when Bond infiltrates the Cuban hitman's lair and a girl is making out with a guard and once when Bond is making out with the 'countess'). I'll grant that they're fleeting but still, it's rather amusing to see what the films got away back in the day with while maintaining their ratings.

    Current rewatch rankings:
    OHMSS>FRWL>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>DN>FYEO>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>DAF
    Current rankings (updated 12/21)
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>NTTD>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>DN>YOLT>OP>
    TND>TWINE>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    Gymkata wrote:
    I love the plot itself.  They're chasing after a McGuffin, making for a pretty easy through-line. 

    A little too easy if you ask me.
    Gymkata wrote:
    The idea that she'd be instantly attracted to a 50 year old man and make a play for him reeks of a thought process that I don't want to contemplate.

    Too late. I'm already contemplating. It feels like they were holding two opposing ideas of thought at the same time. On one hand they acknowledge Bond is too old for her, but on the other they still seem to think Bond is irresistible to all women.

    A similar strand of bizarre logic is found in Octopussy where Moneypenny is acknowledged as getting older, whereas Bond is still portrayed as dashing to the younger secretary. It's pretty obvious to any viewer that Roger is aging just like Lois Maxwell is aging. Infact they were both born in 1927!
    My current 10 favorite:

    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • Unloved SeasonUnloved Season Denton, TexasPosts: 48MI6 Agent
    I have TLD on right now, still love it but for the past several years I haven't been able to watch it without thinking of that Youtube video that edited it to make the movie look like a softcore porno about Bond and Saunders.
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,050MI6 Agent
    I think the whole Bibi thing is that she's naively attracted to older men who would be funders of her dreams as an athlete. Hence her relationship with Kristatos.

    I do agree it's poorly conceived and has little use to be honest - but I don't find it as bad as others.
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 4,140MI6 Agent
    We did OCTOPUSSY last night.

    I'll be honest, this is probably the best that the film has ever played for me. I've generally been of the opinion that it's a solid, mid tier entry, but the thing actually went up a few notches in my estimation, mainly due to the fact that the film has a really nice flow to it. Glen made a pretty big leap forward in terms of direction and storytelling compared to FYEO. The action sequences seem sharper and there's an actual degree of tension to some of them that was missing in the prior film.

    The acting is good (better than the prior film), the return of John Barry is welcome, and it's overall a fun way to spend a few hours. Some of the humor doesn't work (the Tarzan yell, especially) but it doesn't bring the film down.

    The wife really liked this one for some reason. This was probably her favorite of the Moore films.

    Current rewatch rankings:
    OHMSS>FRWL>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>OP>DN>FYEO>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>DAF
    Current rankings (updated 12/21)
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>NTTD>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>DN>YOLT>OP>
    TND>TWINE>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • Mr SnowMr Snow Station "J" JamaicaPosts: 1,736MI6 Agent
    Gymkata wrote:
    We did OCTOPUSSY last night.

    Half your luck! ;) -{
    "Everyone knows rock n' roll attained perfection in 1974; It's a scientific fact". - Homer J Simpson
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    Gymkata wrote:
    We did OCTOPUSSY last night.

    I'll be honest, this is probably the best that the film has ever played for me. I've generally been of the opinion that it's a solid, mid tier entry, but the thing actually went up a few notches in my estimation, mainly due to the fact that the film has a really nice flow to it. Glen made a pretty big leap forward in terms of direction and storytelling compared to FYEO. The action sequences seem sharper and there's an actual degree of tension to some of them that was missing in the prior film.

    The acting is good (better than the prior film), the return of John Barry is welcome, and it's overall a fun way to spend a few hours. Some of the humor doesn't work (the Tarzan yell, especially) but it doesn't bring the film down.

    The wife really liked this one for some reason. This was probably her favorite of the Moore films.

    Current rewatch rankings:
    OHMSS>FRWL>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>OP>DN>FYEO>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>DAF

    I know it's a failing in me, but I just can't get past the Tarzan yell. I've tried, really I have, but along with double the taking Pigeon and the Margaret Thatcher piece it blights the whole era for me. It's a shame but it makes me cringe.
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 4,140MI6 Agent
    The gorilla suit and the clown suit are dings against OCTOPUSSY as well. Those things didn't sink the ship this time, though. Again, I really appreciated the overall flow/pace of the film this time around and found it to be a much stronger entry than before. It helped considerably that my wife was very into this particular film for some reason...considering the plethora of beautiful women on display, I can't say that I'm displeased.
    Current rankings (updated 12/21)
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>NTTD>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>DN>YOLT>OP>
    TND>TWINE>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • FiremassFiremass AlaskaPosts: 1,910MI6 Agent
    Gymkata wrote:
    It helped considerably that my wife was very into this particular film for some reason.

    Octopussy is a film that I'm kinda embarrassed to watch with anyone due to the tarzan yell etc, however when I do they really seem to love it. Like I can tell they are really into it.
    My current 10 favorite:

    1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
  • Dirty PunkerDirty Punker ...Your Eyes Only, darling."Posts: 2,587MI6 Agent
    About the flow, 1h45m's great, the return to India feels like an afterthought.

    I don't understand what people mean about the clown suit. As you said in the millennials thread, context has to be taken into account.
    It isn't like he wore a poncho on horseback for his own personal satisfaction.
    How could he blend in and disarm the bomb without being disguised? Sure it may be unfortunate but Sir Roger shines through.

    Interesting about the two opposing thought processes, I always thought about it but I had never seen it spelled out that way before.
    a reasonable rate of return
  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 4,140MI6 Agent
    My issue with the clown suit is that he apparently gets into the costume and applies all of the face makeup in something like 30 seconds. Seriously. Watch the scene and you’ll see him enter the trailer to put on the clown costume with 5 minutes left before the bomb explodes. It stretches credulity.

    I don’t take issue with the costume itself, merely with the hand waving regarding the time spent putting it on. Still, movie. It doesn’t kill the thing and it’s pretty trivial in the big picture.
    Current rankings (updated 12/21)
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>NTTD>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>DN>YOLT>OP>
    TND>TWINE>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • Agent KinoAgent Kino New YorkPosts: 178MI6 Agent
    I introduced my friend to the world of Bond by watching Goldeneye. I think he really enjoyed it. I wanted something closer to the year we're in but still older. He said it was a good movie and that the action in it was awesome. Now to introduce him to Sean Connery next. :)
    1. Goldfinger 2. Skyfall 3. Goldeneye 4. The Spy Who Loved Me 5. OHMSS
    "I never joke about my work, 007."
  • Revolver66Revolver66 Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 470MI6 Agent
    Gymkata wrote:
    My issue with the clown suit is that he apparently gets into the costume and applies all of the face makeup in something like 30 seconds. Seriously. Watch the scene and you’ll see him enter the trailer to put on the clown costume with 5 minutes left before the bomb explodes. It stretches credulity.

    I don’t take issue with the costume itself, merely with the hand waving regarding the time spent putting it on. Still, movie. It doesn’t kill the thing and it’s pretty trivial in the big picture.

    My issue with the clown suit is that they could have easily put him in the one of security guard outfits instead. All he needed to do was to knock one of them out and take their shirt. Would have been more in tone with the seriousness of the moment. Either way I see the clown suit as a flaw but it doesn't kill the movie for me either :)
  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,417MI6 Agent
    Gymkata wrote:
    My issue with the clown suit is that he apparently gets into the costume and applies all of the face makeup in something like 30 seconds. Seriously. Watch the scene and you’ll see him enter the trailer to put on the clown costume with 5 minutes left before the bomb explodes. It stretches credulity.
    Never thought of that before :))
  • GymkataGymkata Minnesota, USAPosts: 4,140MI6 Agent
    After a short break, we resumed the re-watch and did A VIEW TO A KILL last night.

    Ooof. I could go into detail but frankly, why bother. This film is simply bad.

    Current rewatch rankings:
    OHMSS>FRWL>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>OP>DN>FYEO>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>DAF>AVTAK
    Current rankings (updated 12/21)
    OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>NTTD>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>DN>YOLT>OP>
    TND>TWINE>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
    Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton
  • Dirty PunkerDirty Punker ...Your Eyes Only, darling."Posts: 2,587MI6 Agent
    For me, your list is as a mixed bag as any.

    What did she think of it?
    a reasonable rate of return
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