Screen Accuracy

How important is screen accuracy to you? And why is it important?

I understand if you're a collector, the value of the piece is contingent upon its having appeared in a film. But what about clothing items you plan to wear? Will you select sunglasses chosen for Craig's strong-jawed face even if they don't work at all on your long, skinny one?

Having spent some years on this board now, I see some interesting attitudes toward the SA question.

For instance, there's a lot of debate about whether the TF jeans in NTTD are slim or straight and which to buy. When the difference seems almost immaterial in the pictures we've seen. They're clearly slim-ish *on Daniel Craig's muscular body*. So does the exact model matter more than how they appear on Craig? And whether you'd get the same effect?

(And Craig IMHO wears some things in the films that don't work at all on him either. He'd have been much better off with the Vuarnet Edges 1614 or 1615 than with the bug-eyed 1613.)

There's also the fact that just about everything worn by Bond has been altered in some way. The Barbour To Ki To is SA, but Jany tailored the hell out of it, and the Barbour Commander more closely resembles what we see in Skyfall. So what did you go for?

People can also seem selective in how highly they value even a SA "look." For instance, lots of us buy Sunspel Rivieras based on the Bahamas return scene in CR. But I haven't seen many posts by AJBers desperate to emulate those bell bottomish pants he wears coming off the helicopter.

I'm NOT trying to argue for or against screen accuracy. I'm just interested hearing from people how they assess it and the importance it has for them.
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  • HalfMonk HalfHitmanHalfMonk HalfHitman USAPosts: 1,965MI6 Agent
    Screen accuracy is a slippery slope, because not only is there tailoring and physique, but there's post-production color correction. Having seen the N. Peal NTTD sweater in person, it's simply not as vivid as the sweater as shown in pics and clips.

    The Armani jacket from CR is brown, but it is so dark on screen that replicating the shade seems impossible, based on the efforts of the folks doing the replicas.

    I had the Tokito altered to the specs of the screen-accurate version, as I was not interested in a hooded coat, nor in a jacket with extraneous buttons and zippers. The Commander is missing some details of the Tokito.
  • frommeyerfrommeyer ChicagoPosts: 403MI6 Agent
    Screen accuracy is important to me. If I want something shown on the screen then I want *that* item, not a close approximation. A good comparison is fake watches. Some high quality fakes are getting so good they're almost impossible to differentiate from the real deal without taking them apart. Illegality and amorality aside, if all you care about is the look why wouldn't you get a HQ clone? If that's what you do, more power to you I guess. But I want the genuine thing.
    The Armani jacket from CR is brown, but it is so dark on screen that replicating the shade seems impossible, based on the efforts of the folks doing the replicas.

    I'm a member of a Ghostbusters community and one of the big debates is the color of the flight suits. When you see the flightsuits on display they're decidedly khaki in person. But when you watch the original Ghostbusters, the filmstock and color grading makes the costume appear much more gray. So what do you do? Go with khaki or dye it to recreate the end result? I dyed mine. Because I care about the screen result not the starting point.

    Take the All Saints Iggys in SF - the production team dyed them darker. Which is what I did with mine. So there's room for debate as to what one considers "screen accurate" but just a random, off brand, straight cut pair cords in the right color isn't acceptable to me.

    About the only exception I've made is for re-interpretations of costumes that simply don't exist. The Orlebar Brown stuff, basically.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,529MI6 Agent
    Screen accuracy isn't that important to me. I use James Bond to learn about clothes and to get inspiration. For almost every item that Bond wears, I think about the tweaks I would make for the clothes to best suit me or better suit my personal tastes.

    I also find it impossible to copy the colours as seen on screen. One of my favourite suits of the series is the blue suit in The Man with the Golden Gun. But as for the shade of blue, it's a bright mid blue on the DVD and a muted navy on the Blu-ray. Is one more accurate than the other?
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  • The Domino EffectThe Domino Effect Posts: 3,109MI6 Agent
    It's about the look for me, however, if I like a particular look, I will attempt to get the actual items. If I'm not fussy on a particular look or don't believe that it will suit me, I will avoid it completely and neither pursue the actual outfit or any budget alternatives. As such, there hasn't been a great deal that I've seen in NTTD that particularly appeals to me yet and therefore there have only been a few things that have been of interest. In those instances, I've gone after the actual items.
  • JTullock23JTullock23 ArizonaPosts: 302MI6 Agent
    Short answer is Yes. I would love to have SA items, but my decisions are based mainly on two issues, cost and functionality into my life. I live in a very warm climate in the US. I have nearly no reason to wear a suit here if not for a business related thing. I own 4 suits now that aren't SA, but from my prior job, that I never wear. Of course, I could wear one to dinner and on a date with my gf. However, if I purchased an SA TF suit to wear to these events, I couldn't afford to then do to these events. That is the cost piece coming into frame. I do take inspiration from some items Bond wears and tweak them to fit what works for me. I am not built like Bond. As an example, a good pair of dark washed denim, a Vesper Polo form Mack Weldon that is an homage to the Riviera polo and some suede Chelsea boots, because I already own them. I am a big fan of Showtime's Californication. Duchovny's character's style in that show is simple, jeans, t-shirts (Sorry Matt S.), boots and some button ups. Occasionally, his character will wear a leather jacket or a sportscoat/blazer type of thing. That stuff works best for me. I tend to mix the two styles and use as inspiration. I will go the extra step and have these item tailored to fit me more. So, instead of just wearing an XL t-shirt because I need the shoulder width, if the body is too long or is too baggy, I will opt to have them tailored. The button-up shirts, I will l have shortened, but not too short, so that I can wear them casually if desired. I have some really nice shirttail garters that I can use, if I need to, when tucking the shirts in.
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  • llvhhuillvhhui Posts: 41MI6 Agent
    To me it's important but only to certain extent. Simple copy and paste does not guarantee a good sense of style. I want to take certain fashion cue from Bond but do not want to dress up like it's Halloween. Certain items are just too rare and it ended up becoming a collector's piece. To me clothing are meant to be worn. If I'm too scared to wear or if it doesn't look good on me then what's the whole point.
  • CajunCajun Posts: 321MI6 Agent
    edited June 2020
    I'm with llvhhui.

    I'll go for SA as long as it's within reach; mostly shoes, watches and firearms. A quality Iconic Alternative of most anything else will suffice since I purchase to wear versus collect.
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  • tsholdtshold TorontoPosts: 161MI6 Agent
    This is a great discussion and one I often think about. For me, screen accuracy is important to a degree. But ultimately, my final decision on what I buy and wear comes down to my own personal style, what I like, and what fits best on me. For sure I use Bond and what we see on screen as a guide and major influence, but I'm not about to buy something I personally don't like just because Bond wears it. However, if I'm debating between 2 items in terms of fit, colour, or sizing and am personally undecided, I'll lean towards the screen accurate version.
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  • km1fdmkm1fdm USAPosts: 126MI6 Agent
    Like others have said - I buy things that I like and think look well on my body type. I'm much taller than Craig, and slim, so when the prop dept shortens his shirts (like the Catalina) and such, that would just look really silly on me. "Screen accuracy" is also not so important, since I don't intend to sell the things.. I want to use them all.
  • frommeyerfrommeyer ChicagoPosts: 403MI6 Agent
    An interesting follow-up might be how often you find yourself wanting the stuff Bond wears. Based on my own collection I'd say not often. My personal style is, by and large, dissimilar from Craig's Bond. Aside from Quantum of Solace's Basic Base B suits I don't even like the TF suits (mostly a problem with the O'Connor cut). There are a few categories of things I'm interested in - mostly outerwear, swimwear, ties, watches ("I am never gonna financially recover from this." -Joe Exotic after an employee loses an arm/me after discovering Bond Omegas), sunglasses, and occasionally shoes. Things that can, theoretically, last a lifetime.

    That might be why I desire screen accuracy when I do pursue an item - it's just a couple of pieces per movie. I think the only full outfit I've wanted is from QoS' third act (hurry up, Harrington Project I want that damn jacket).
  • ichaiceichaice LondonPosts: 389MI6 Agent
    I’m not too bothered about SA. I use Bond to introduce me to brands I wouldn’t have known about. I then buy from that brand but only if I like the product. If I don’t then I move on. Sometimes it works out well like when Bond copied me and wore a pair of C&J Norwich shoes :)
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  • CheverianCheverian Posts: 1,127MI6 Agent
    edited June 2020
    For my own part, I look at my collection and primarily see SA shoes, sunglasses, ties, knitwear, and watches. Then it’s isolated pieces (the To Ki To, unaltered; the JV café racer; original OB Setters, etc.)

    I have a couple of near-enough Tom Ford suits that match ones in Skyfall and Spectre except for an extra sleeve button or whatever.

    And one ensemble that’s almost perfectly screen accurate: the MA Sloop suit, braces, tie, and chukkas. I can’t bring myself to splurge on the Brunello shirt. And I’m still waiting for Blair to identify the socks!

    It’s odd because I will throw on a Royale jacket and think nothing of it, but when I wear the John Varvatos I get this pleasant feeling knowing it’s the real deal. I find it hard to explain.
  • JTullock23JTullock23 ArizonaPosts: 302MI6 Agent
    Does anyone know or can anyone tell from the photos of DC in the glider scene, does his Vuarnet's have the little "v" emblem on the lenses? I haven't been able to find a good photo that is clear enough to tell.
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  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,394MI6 Agent
    JTullock23 wrote:
    Does anyone know or can anyone tell from the photos of DC in the glider scene, does his Vuarnet's have the little "v" emblem on the lenses? I haven't been able to find a good photo that is clear enough to tell.
    Not sure but I would say yes most likely. When he wore the Edge at the Grand Prix they had the little "V" on the lenses.
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  • bosoxfanbosoxfan Posts: 611MI6 Agent
    My answer is, it depends. My budget rarely allows me to purchase true screen accurate, although I do have a few items, I always buy with the intent to wear so I often find "the look" without it being SA and that allows me to stay within what I can comfortably spend.
  • PeppermillPeppermill DelftPosts: 2,852MI6 Agent
    I use James Bond as an inspiration but don't necessarily feel the need to copy him one-on-one. But I am not a collector, if I was, I think I would like to have the exact item that was used/worn on screen. Because, if "about the same" is good enough, the floodgates would really be open.

    So, I take an inspiration from Bond and then buy what suits me. For instance, I always loved the Omega SMP, but bought the one that really spoke to me (the prior generation without the wave dial) instead of buying one that is SA but I like less. The same goes for my Aqua Terra. Having already gotten a blue watch, I decided to go for a white dial version of the AT. Again, I just liked that version more than the SA one. So I bought the one I fell in love with, not the exact same one as Bond wears.
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  • Bond44Bond44 Vauxhall CrossPosts: 1,557MI6 Agent
    edited August 2020
    I read this thread with interest and agree with most comments. I tend to mix and match SA with budget alternatives or in the ‘style of’. Sometimes this is driven by availability and other times it’s price.

    On occasions I have a go mad moment or point of principle like creating my own SA Omega Black 8500 in Ti, why you may ask because I felt somewhat duped back in 2012, to be fair later found out it was DCs fault anyway (and Omega refused to do it, so I did it anyway who needs their permission anyway)

    Like others here Bond introduced me to some brands like OB, jV, N Peal and TF, but I was already engaged with other brands like Omega, Barbour and Sunspel.

    Sometimes my SA is almost complete lbut I switch it up due to personal preference like my QOS look of TF108s, 7 FAK jeans and Ryders but then go sunspel navy polo i/o TF Polo because I prefer the former. Then other times I go nearly for the complete budget version of a look, example Smedley Navy Noah, Grey Topman SF chinos and Aldo DBs, but then wear Spectre 300 with it).

    Like most I would love to go SA all the way but generally costs prohibit that - DBS will come one day! For me Clothing is definitely for wearing and I see accessories like the watches or sunglasses as wearable investments.

    My collecting has evolved over time, but for a look I like I generally start using budget items and pick off the individual SA items I really like or when opportunity presents itself no matter how long (like 7 FAK 12 years or Y3 10 years)

    Boy this Bond milarky can really dent your wallet! :))

    But also I feel with the end of DC as Bond (whom was the Bond of my era) my Bond SA days will start to demise, it’s been fun but it will be the turn of the next generation.

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  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 9,863MI6 Agent
    I also think my collecting will rapidly decline after this (Already have so much from the film already)

    Dont think I have ever worn a “full” Bond outfit despite owning most of it - sometimes I feel it would be a bit daft too.

    Its a nuts hobby and ive ran out of room - I believe I might have every casual jacket from Casino - NTTD.

    Will prob always top up with Sunspel Tees for the rest of my days as I live in them 90% of the time

    Also appreciate some of DCs personal brands - RM William boots for one!!

    Love TF but my wallet wont miss those purchases whatsoever!!!
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  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,394MI6 Agent
    I agree with the comments above in that I probably wont be as into collecting Bond clothing after NTTD. Having been collecting SA Bond clothes for around a decade now I think I've spent enough time, effort and money on one actors wardrobe. Time to move onto other things.
  • frommeyerfrommeyer ChicagoPosts: 403MI6 Agent
    edited August 2020
    I'll probably always collect the random casual jacket, nice dress shoes, or pair of jeans going forward. Provided I catch them as they come out, are easily accessible, and at a (relatively) decent price. For example, I bought four of the R&B henleys on sale for the price of one full price. I'll keep buying stuff like. Especially if they fit my actual wardrobe needs and will be used on a regular basis.

    But I too am generally kinda over outfit collecting. I'm trying to tie a few loose ends on older movies atm. But the borderline obsessive quests are a real time suck and I really hate how many hours I've devoted to it.
    Bond44 wrote:
    On occasions I have a go mad moment or point of principle like creating my own SA Omega Black 8500 in Ti, why you may ask because I felt somewhat duped back in 2012, to be fair later found out it was DCs fault anyway (and Omega refused to do it, so I did it anyway who needs their permission anyway)

    I have no idea what this is in reference to but I'd love to know!
  • MikeG77MikeG77 Posts: 1,575MI6 Agent
    frommeyer wrote:
    I'll probably always collect the random casual jacket, nice dress shoes, or pair of jeans going forward. Provided I catch them as they come out, are easily accessible, and at a (relatively) decent price. For example, I bought four of the R&B henleys on sale for the price of one full price. I'll keep buying stuff like. Especially if they fit my actual wardrobe needs and will be used on a regular basis.

    But I too am generally kinda over outfit collecting. I'm trying to tie a few loose ends on older movies atm. But the borderline obsessive quests are a real time suck and I really hate how many hours I've devoted to it.
    Bond44 wrote:
    On occasions I have a go mad moment or point of principle like creating my own SA Omega Black 8500 in Ti, why you may ask because I felt somewhat duped back in 2012, to be fair later found out it was DCs fault anyway (and Omega refused to do it, so I did it anyway who needs their permission anyway)

    I have no idea what this is in reference to but I'd love to know!

    If I remember correctly the Planet Ocean that was used was made out of titanium and designed specifically for Skyfall. The retail/007 versions that Omega sold were made in stainless steel and not titanium. Here is a link that explains the situation....

    https://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/product/omega-seamaster-planet-ocean-23230422101001
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  • frommeyerfrommeyer ChicagoPosts: 403MI6 Agent
    Wow. I had no idea. Omega marketed the hell out of that watch using screengrabs and set photos. I'm relieved I never bought/wanted that one (I have the QoS; way too similar to justify the purchase).
  • Bond44Bond44 Vauxhall CrossPosts: 1,557MI6 Agent
    edited August 2020
    frommeyer wrote:
    Wow. I had no idea. Omega marketed the hell out of that watch using screengrabs and set photos. I'm relieved I never bought/wanted that one (I have the QoS; way too similar to justify the purchase).

    Long story short during the filming of Skyfall rumours were DC was getting a watch that matched the colour of his eyes (blue). His previous wear had been a PO so could be the Blue Ti 8500 as it was the only blue PO at the time. So I went and bought the Blue PO Ti, as it was cheaper in the US as I was there at the time (yeah ok it was a bit of a punt that went the other way). Film comes out and he does have a PO but it’s the Grey Steel (as marketed at the time) and he does have a blue one to match his eyes the AT!

    Later in 2012 at the Bond 50th Auction I was looking at the watch on display and only by chance bought a programme as a keep sake. Thumbing through it I discovered the PO was in fact a custom made Ti one (because DC had complained about the weight). That must have buggered Omega having put all their marketing into the steel version. Over the years I researched the marketing and they never actually reference the steel as the one worn by Bond, but through shrewd marketing you would think it was one and the same only those in the know knew otherwise.

    Now I had the PO Ti and over the years came to love it’s weight or lack there of (weight was much closer to the 2500). Many who had the steel were not so keen on the weight of that. Over time opportunity came up to get the AT and then the PO in steel. Being able to compare both PO’s the weight difference was noticeable. Then I had the chance to get the 2500 PO LM LE (same as DC and a transitional watch I always wanted) so effectively had two very similar black PO watches in steel. So I was seriously considering selling the Bond PO 8500 steel. Just as I was about to pull that trigger a second PO Ti came up for an absolute steel and I decided to right the wrong. Went to my trusted watch dudes and got them to make the swap. Hey presto I had the truly SA Black PO 8500 in Ti. I then sold the Blue steel version and came out almost net neutral in terms of overall cost.

    The auctioned one went for about £130k at the Bond 50th auction, mine came in a lot less than that, is one of only 2 in the wild and it’s now one of my favourite watches second only to QOS PO. It’s also a great conversation piece when a fellow wearer says ‘snap’ and I respond ‘I don’t think so’ and tell them why. Most are then curious to do the weight comparison and shocked at the difference.

    Sorry was not quiet the short after all - just wanted to prove I was not completely mad, but a collection of circumstances got to this point today :))

    With Dan releasing his enjoying death shirt it’s been on my wrist for a couple of weeks now as that would have been the watch on Bonds watch during that period.

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    P.S Here is a shot of all three 8500s see if you can spot the steel one

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  • HalfMonk HalfHitmanHalfMonk HalfHitman USAPosts: 1,965MI6 Agent
    Bond has no watch on during his Enjoying Death period - he must've sold it in Turkey to pay for his lodging and clothes :))
  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 9,863MI6 Agent
    Bond has no watch on during his Enjoying Death period - he must've sold it in Turkey to pay for his lodging and clothes :))

    I have always assumed that also :))


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  • FerinstalFerinstal North of Londinium...Posts: 239MI6 Agent
    welshboy78 wrote:
    Bond has no watch on during his Enjoying Death period - he must've sold it in Turkey to pay for his lodging and clothes :))

    I have always assumed that also :))


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    And have you seen the price of the jacket he’s wearing?? :))
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  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 9,863MI6 Agent
    Hehe true but im sure its supposed to be some beat up tat from a Turkish market :))
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  • Bond44Bond44 Vauxhall CrossPosts: 1,557MI6 Agent
    Give me a break otherwise I would only ever wear it with the PTS look :))

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  • FerinstalFerinstal North of Londinium...Posts: 239MI6 Agent
    welshboy78 wrote:
    Hehe true but im sure its supposed to be some beat up tat from a Turkish market :))

    Haha - that’s exactly where I told my (ex-)partner I got mine from, when she questioned ‘Another jacket??’.

    ‘oh it s just some cheap tat from the market dear...!’ :D :))
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  • CheverianCheverian Posts: 1,127MI6 Agent
    For me it’s an aging thing. I’m a couple of years older than Craig and have kept myself in decent shape. For that reason most of his costume choices as Bond has also worked for me. Maybe not the La Perlas!

    Usually when something doesn’t work on me, it’s the same reason it doesn’t work on Craig. The look is “too young” for a middle aged man, even one who takes care of himself.

    Presuming the next actor is significantly younger, as he should be, I doubt I’ll find him a useful inspiration.
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