What do you think Mikkelsen had in mind when he offered that bit of information about his character liking men?
I think a little snippet of what em thinks about this bit of character information is in the paragraph you just quoted. Before you start dictating about "reading carefully" and questionning others whether they can read or not, perhaps you should actually have a good look at the posts you're quoting.
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What do you think Mikkelsen had in mind when he offered that bit of information about his character liking men?
I think a little snippet of what em thinks about this bit of character information is in the paragraph you just quoted. Before you start dictating about "reading carefully" and questionning others whether they can read or not, perhaps you should actually have a good look at the posts you're quoting.
You are correct, I made a mistake and ammended my post.
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
So you've had a go at me asking 'don't you know how to read?' and failed to read the bit in my post where I answered your question. What delicious irony.
Face meet egg.
As for your other point (which hardly seems worth addressing now you've proven how little of this you're understanding), yes; saying they 'haven't been cleared of that (homophobic) intent' is utterly baseless and very accusational. They don't have to be 'cleared' of it as they haven't been accused of it, and there's no basis to do so.
I've never been 'cleared' of not having the intent to boil the Solent, but then I don't have to be.
Well presumably it would give them Isle of Wighters a bit more space, although it may put the ferry companies out of business... swings and roundabouts...
superadoRegent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,654MI6 Agent
Yeah, it happens to all of us, sometimes even with help from the mods...remember, em? ;%
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
Hmmm, I didn't realize my posting that "story" would cause such a ruckus--sadly, I'm sure that's what the DCNB trolls wanted to happen. Anyway, I've been mulling over just how bone-headed is their charge of "Blatantly ignoring the alleged source material of Ian Fleming’s sublime book, the producers of the current Bond travesty are apparently only comfortable with the depictions of gays as the villains."
First off--sublime? Casino Royale is easily one of the most straightforward of Fleming's novels, and sublime it ain't. As for Le Chiffre, he's actually one of Fleming's weakest villains, characterized mainly by his eyes and his addiction to Benzedrine. There's plenty of room in the character for interpretation and development.
Second, if--and I mean--IF Le Chiffre is being depicted as gay and his gayness is shown as a character flaw, then this would be IN KEEPING WITH the spirit of Ian Fleming and would hardly be a slam on his book. Fleming regularly depicted any kind of sexual behavior that deviated from good ol' hetero action as a sign of weakness, perversion and evil. Wint and Kidd are gay, and Fleming has a character associate their homosexuality with their brutality; Rosa Klebb is one of Fleming's most grotesque characters, and her attempt to "seduce" Tatiana is used to turn readers' stomachs; Goldfinger can only "do it" with women who are painted gold (just as Scaramanga--who the Secret Service think is a closeted homosexual--can only perform after killing someone); Tilly Masterson's lesbianism gets her killed when she runs from Bond to be with Pussy (I can't believe I just wrote that)--and, of course, Pussy's lesbianism is quickly cured by application of Bond's TLC treatment; and Blofeld is introduced to the series as being completely asexual, and eventually he moves into a relationship with the hideous Irma Bunt.
Ironic that Fleming would take such a damning view of unconventional behavior, since he was friends with many homosexuals--Noel Coward being most prominent among them--and that he himself was into S & M. I guess freudians can dissect Fleming for hours.
Anyway, just goes to show how little that lot know!
Vox clamantis in deserto
superadoRegent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,654MI6 Agent
...Second, if--and I mean--IF Le Chiffre is being depicted as gay and his gayness is shown as a character flaw, then this would be IN KEEPING WITH the spirit of Ian Fleming and would hardly be a slam on his book. Fleming regularly depicted any kind of sexual behavior that deviated from good ol' hetero action as a sign of weakness, perversion and evil. Wint and Kidd are gay, and Fleming has a character associate their homosexuality with their brutality; Rosa Klebb is one of Fleming's most grotesque characters, and her attempt to "seduce" Tatiana is used to turn readers' stomachs; Goldfinger can only "do it" with women who are painted gold (just as Scaramanga--who the Secret Service think is a closeted homosexual--can only perform after killing someone); Tilly Masterson's lesbianism gets her killed when she runs from Bond to be with Pussy (I can't believe I just wrote that)--and, of course, Pussy's lesbianism is quickly cured by application of Bond's TLC treatment; and Blofeld is introduced to the series as being completely asexual, and eventually he moves into a relationship with the hideous Irma Bunt.
Ironic that Fleming would take such a damning view of unconventional behavior, since he was friends with many homosexuals--Noel Coward being most prominent among them--and that he himself was into S & M. I guess freudians can dissect Fleming for hours.
But to even consider that Mikkelsen/Campbell would in the slightest think along those lines is absurd, right? My position only is, I don't rule that out. Everyone is not on the same PC train.
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
I haven't been around AJB much over the last few months, now I remember why.
I think the bottom line is that in a few days, we can all watch it and find out. For those prejudiced few, they can either have their fears confirmed or not. For the vast majority of us we can be discussing matters of more importance.
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You are correct, I made a mistake and ammended my post.
Face meet egg.
As for your other point (which hardly seems worth addressing now you've proven how little of this you're understanding), yes; saying they 'haven't been cleared of that (homophobic) intent' is utterly baseless and very accusational. They don't have to be 'cleared' of it as they haven't been accused of it, and there's no basis to do so.
I've never been 'cleared' of not having the intent to boil the Solent, but then I don't have to be.
Yeah, it happens to all of us, sometimes even with help from the mods...remember, em? ;%
First off--sublime? Casino Royale is easily one of the most straightforward of Fleming's novels, and sublime it ain't. As for Le Chiffre, he's actually one of Fleming's weakest villains, characterized mainly by his eyes and his addiction to Benzedrine. There's plenty of room in the character for interpretation and development.
Second, if--and I mean--IF Le Chiffre is being depicted as gay and his gayness is shown as a character flaw, then this would be IN KEEPING WITH the spirit of Ian Fleming and would hardly be a slam on his book. Fleming regularly depicted any kind of sexual behavior that deviated from good ol' hetero action as a sign of weakness, perversion and evil. Wint and Kidd are gay, and Fleming has a character associate their homosexuality with their brutality; Rosa Klebb is one of Fleming's most grotesque characters, and her attempt to "seduce" Tatiana is used to turn readers' stomachs; Goldfinger can only "do it" with women who are painted gold (just as Scaramanga--who the Secret Service think is a closeted homosexual--can only perform after killing someone); Tilly Masterson's lesbianism gets her killed when she runs from Bond to be with Pussy (I can't believe I just wrote that)--and, of course, Pussy's lesbianism is quickly cured by application of Bond's TLC treatment; and Blofeld is introduced to the series as being completely asexual, and eventually he moves into a relationship with the hideous Irma Bunt.
Ironic that Fleming would take such a damning view of unconventional behavior, since he was friends with many homosexuals--Noel Coward being most prominent among them--and that he himself was into S & M. I guess freudians can dissect Fleming for hours.
Anyway, just goes to show how little that lot know!
But to even consider that Mikkelsen/Campbell would in the slightest think along those lines is absurd, right? My position only is, I don't rule that out. Everyone is not on the same PC train.
I think the bottom line is that in a few days, we can all watch it and find out. For those prejudiced few, they can either have their fears confirmed or not. For the vast majority of us we can be discussing matters of more importance.