Did I also mention I'd love to see the new Bond (Callum) using the Walther LP53 in just one scene of the movie, as well as posing with it on the merch packaging? Yes I know it's an air pistol - which is why we see Bond throw it in the air...at the enemy's head!
Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
IMHO it should be something in the most prolific handgun caliber in the world (9mmpb) by a manufacturer that is globally available and a model that has been on the market for sometime. I quess it should be gen3 Glock 26.... My reasoning follows the advice given by Boothroyd to Fleming; calibers .38 and 7.65mm (.32) were 2 of the most prolific calibers after the ww2. Remember even though 9mmpb was a military caliber used en masse during the wars, .38 and 7.65 were the favoured calibers on civilian market in addition to the military/official use they saw. As such, the ppk in 7.65 and a snubby revolver in .38 were completely anonymous. Also: ppk in 7.65 was actually widely used by the western intelligence services during the cold war, so it would be logical for Bond to carry a present day equivalent.
"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
-Mr Arlington Beech
There is nothing elegant about Walther P99 either. Great ergonomics and passable trigger, but "combat tupperware" is what it is. If you want elegant and if Craig had had staying power, then Medranos p210: customized and cut down for compact carry would have been a nice trophy gun for Bond and an easter egg to go forward. But I don't suscribe to the signature gun foolishnes, so ubiquitos service gun for me.
"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
-Mr Arlington Beech
The p210 is fairly large. Bond needs a consealed carry gun. What would be the point when there are so many small guns on the market whos producers want a lucrative product placement deal?
The Walther p99 may not be especially elegant, but compared to the Glocks it's a work of art.
My suggestion is the Walther CCP as Bonds work pistol that was issued by MI6, but his personal and private gun remains the PPK. I suggest Bond inherited the PKK from his father to explain why he uses such an old and and by modern standards underpowered handgun.
Thats why the p210 should be a chopped down custom job ala original ASP only made from the Medranos personal sidearm. What a memento!!! Having shot both p99 g17 as well as g19 quite a lot, I'll take g19 any day of the week and twice on sundays!
Also, his father left him an armory of guns, which were sold to an american collector, remember. There could have been a PPK in the collection, but it's now in Texas, so will never know.
"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
-Mr Arlington Beech
The sale of James Bond's parents things happened in the Daniel Craig timeline, and I don't see how that can be continued after his death NTTD.
It seems like you are judging pistols by how good they are, a very natural choice in most cases. But picking a gun for a fictional character for a series of movies quality doesn't matter much as long as the gun isn't so bad even the general public knows. In movies the main thing is how the pistol looks. There are sometimes other factors like nationality (Bond can't have a Chinese gun for example), caliber (I can't see Bond with a 22 LR pistol) and that sort of things. I think Bond needs an elegant, ideally distinctive looking concealed carry gun as his main weapon. It's a big bonus if it's Walther.
Yes it doesn't matter how good it is at all, I'm sure the PPK probably couldn't do the things Bond did with it over the years (or maybe it could, it doesn't really matter), it just has a memorable look. He had a V12 Aston Martin DBS which somehow couldn't outrun some Alfa Romeo saloons- the hardware will do what the plot requires.
That CCP looks fine, he should have a nice small little gun, but I still like Quentin's idea of just designing a bespoke 007 gun in the mould of an updated, modern-looking PPK.
Must say I'm not a fan of Bond using a Glock either (despite the awesome kit he used in Spectre's PTS). Somewhere around the Walther/Wolfram/Beretta ballpark would be ideal.
Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
I'm just trying to get you guys to turn into 9milcurious -not working I see.
I'm just a bit concerned, that now that DC reboot is done and dusted, they are going to regress back to the "formula" -> all smirks and gadgets and quips, but since this is the 3rd decade of the millenia, not a single scantily clad female buttock to slap in sight. So that is why I have this PPK exhaustion.
So; if it's classic and classy Bond hardware you want, how about this:
Beretta A21 Bobcat Covert.
"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
-Mr Arlington Beech
I think the Bobcat is a step in the right direction, or possibly too many steps making you walk past the sweet spot and removing you a litte bit from the best solution. The Bobcat is very concealable and it looks distinctive, both good. But I think the gun would look to puny in the hands of a large man. I think it would look good and probably function very well in an assassination situation where 007 sneaks up on someone and shoots them in the head a foot away. I guess 22 LR would be enough then. But Bond is rarely seen doing this in the movies, and the Bobcat would look (and be) inadequate in the typical Bond movie gunfight.
I am 9 mmm curious (😂), but not enough to have fired a real gun in years. But keep in mind that the CCP is in 9 mm and the Beretta Bobcat is in 22 LR
I'm sure it's a fantastic gun, but good luck carrying it concealed while wearing a tux. It's also about as distinctive and recognizable as most sedan cars these days.
General public, especially with the new management, will also want to see the scooby gang, gadgets, quips and outlandish villains lairs (markie007 will also look for the buttock slapping).
None of this is appealing to me (well buttock slapping is). For my tastes, Bond movies hit the (rock) bottom with Sir RM. I'm still holding a candle for the period correct reboot, but it's starting to feel like I'm a kite dancing in a hurricane...
"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
-Mr Arlington Beech
I don't think we'll go back to the RM style in the foreseeable future, especially since Villeneuve is directing. Personally I'd like the movies to be lighter in tone than the Craig movies, but not sir Roger territory.
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One question I always have is how Bond will use his handgun. If he really is a hitman, he can get away with a .32 ACP or .380 (with a threaded barrel for a silencer). If he's getting into gunfights constantly, it argues for something more powerful.
But I totally agree with those here who say most viewers will expect a PPK. Whatever you think of the gun, it's hard to argue that it didn't become a pop-cultural signature of James Bond—similar to the vodka martini and the Aston Martin.
The Bobcat looks more like something Bond would carry in an ankle holster. The Beretta Px4 Compact Carry looks pretty good to me as a Bond concealed carry pistol. It's the same height as the H&K P7 but it might be a bit too long in length at 6.8" but it's also designed to not snag on clothing, etc. The H&K comes much closer to the Bond elegance as it's a beautiful pistol. One thing to consider is contemporary audiences (especially in the USA) have an expectation to see a bit of fire power and the Beretta PX4 Compact Carry gives off that vibe. I will say, the more I look at it, the H&K (especially w/ the lovely wood grips) is really growing on me (and it's 9mm).
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And I agree - I did say that!
Did I also mention I'd love to see the new Bond (Callum) using the Walther LP53 in just one scene of the movie, as well as posing with it on the merch packaging? Yes I know it's an air pistol - which is why we see Bond throw it in the air...at the enemy's head!
IMHO it should be something in the most prolific handgun caliber in the world (9mmpb) by a manufacturer that is globally available and a model that has been on the market for sometime. I quess it should be gen3 Glock 26.... My reasoning follows the advice given by Boothroyd to Fleming; calibers .38 and 7.65mm (.32) were 2 of the most prolific calibers after the ww2. Remember even though 9mmpb was a military caliber used en masse during the wars, .38 and 7.65 were the favoured calibers on civilian market in addition to the military/official use they saw. As such, the ppk in 7.65 and a snubby revolver in .38 were completely anonymous. Also: ppk in 7.65 was actually widely used by the western intelligence services during the cold war, so it would be logical for Bond to carry a present day equivalent.
-Mr Arlington Beech
But Bond should carry an elegant handgun, and the Glocks are absolutely not that ...
There is nothing elegant about Walther P99 either. Great ergonomics and passable trigger, but "combat tupperware" is what it is. If you want elegant and if Craig had had staying power, then Medranos p210: customized and cut down for compact carry would have been a nice trophy gun for Bond and an easter egg to go forward. But I don't suscribe to the signature gun foolishnes, so ubiquitos service gun for me.
-Mr Arlington Beech
The p210 is fairly large. Bond needs a consealed carry gun. What would be the point when there are so many small guns on the market whos producers want a lucrative product placement deal?
The Walther p99 may not be especially elegant, but compared to the Glocks it's a work of art.
My suggestion is the Walther CCP as Bonds work pistol that was issued by MI6, but his personal and private gun remains the PPK. I suggest Bond inherited the PKK from his father to explain why he uses such an old and and by modern standards underpowered handgun.
Thats why the p210 should be a chopped down custom job ala original ASP only made from the Medranos personal sidearm. What a memento!!! Having shot both p99 g17 as well as g19 quite a lot, I'll take g19 any day of the week and twice on sundays!
Also, his father left him an armory of guns, which were sold to an american collector, remember. There could have been a PPK in the collection, but it's now in Texas, so will never know.
-Mr Arlington Beech
The sale of James Bond's parents things happened in the Daniel Craig timeline, and I don't see how that can be continued after his death NTTD.
It seems like you are judging pistols by how good they are, a very natural choice in most cases. But picking a gun for a fictional character for a series of movies quality doesn't matter much as long as the gun isn't so bad even the general public knows. In movies the main thing is how the pistol looks. There are sometimes other factors like nationality (Bond can't have a Chinese gun for example), caliber (I can't see Bond with a 22 LR pistol) and that sort of things. I think Bond needs an elegant, ideally distinctive looking concealed carry gun as his main weapon. It's a big bonus if it's Walther.
Yes it doesn't matter how good it is at all, I'm sure the PPK probably couldn't do the things Bond did with it over the years (or maybe it could, it doesn't really matter), it just has a memorable look. He had a V12 Aston Martin DBS which somehow couldn't outrun some Alfa Romeo saloons- the hardware will do what the plot requires.
That CCP looks fine, he should have a nice small little gun, but I still like Quentin's idea of just designing a bespoke 007 gun in the mould of an updated, modern-looking PPK.
Are you suggesting shooting down a helicopter with a Walther PPK is unrealistic? 😉
Must say I'm not a fan of Bond using a Glock either (despite the awesome kit he used in Spectre's PTS). Somewhere around the Walther/Wolfram/Beretta ballpark would be ideal.
99.9% of the audience won’t care/know what the make or practicality of the gun is, it just has to look good for cinematic reasons.
I'm just trying to get you guys to turn into 9milcurious -not working I see.
I'm just a bit concerned, that now that DC reboot is done and dusted, they are going to regress back to the "formula" -> all smirks and gadgets and quips, but since this is the 3rd decade of the millenia, not a single scantily clad female buttock to slap in sight. So that is why I have this PPK exhaustion.
So; if it's classic and classy Bond hardware you want, how about this:
Beretta A21 Bobcat Covert.
-Mr Arlington Beech
That's a beut. I for one miss the buttock slapping, but then I'm probably entering boomer-territory...
I think the Bobcat is a step in the right direction, or possibly too many steps making you walk past the sweet spot and removing you a litte bit from the best solution. The Bobcat is very concealable and it looks distinctive, both good. But I think the gun would look to puny in the hands of a large man. I think it would look good and probably function very well in an assassination situation where 007 sneaks up on someone and shoots them in the head a foot away. I guess 22 LR would be enough then. But Bond is rarely seen doing this in the movies, and the Bobcat would look (and be) inadequate in the typical Bond movie gunfight.
I am 9 mmm curious (😂), but not enough to have fired a real gun in years. But keep in mind that the CCP is in 9 mm and the Beretta Bobcat is in 22 LR
I like the A21. Small and referencing early Bond brands is a good way to go.
I have nothing against Bond using a 9mm, despite obviously making it more difficult to fire a larger bullet into the enemy's gun barrel.
Stop the man talk, Markie007! 😂
Agreed…and I imagine the general cinema going public will all want to see Bond carry a Walther PPK…
If Commander Bond is ex-special forces (SBS), SIG P228 would be the one.
I'm sure it's a fantastic gun, but good luck carrying it concealed while wearing a tux. It's also about as distinctive and recognizable as most sedan cars these days.
I think Carver pulled that one on the stealth boat.
General public, especially with the new management, will also want to see the scooby gang, gadgets, quips and outlandish villains lairs (markie007 will also look for the buttock slapping).
None of this is appealing to me (well buttock slapping is). For my tastes, Bond movies hit the (rock) bottom with Sir RM. I'm still holding a candle for the period correct reboot, but it's starting to feel like I'm a kite dancing in a hurricane...
-Mr Arlington Beech
I don't think we'll go back to the RM style in the foreseeable future, especially since Villeneuve is directing. Personally I'd like the movies to be lighter in tone than the Craig movies, but not sir Roger territory.
Hmm…possibly…but I’m not sure they hired the correct writer for that sort of movie 🤔
Well it would not be the first time a studio makes a mistake like that! 😉
Oh!.... Wait!!... Did you mean period correct movie, or buttock slapping?
-Mr Arlington Beech
Well…neither of the two you mentioned…Knight is more than capable of delivering both of those…but I’m pretty certain that won’t be his remit…
N24
The Heckler and Koch P7 M8 could be a decent substitute for the Walther PPK for Bond.
It is 0.6 inches longer than the Walther PPK and has a height of 5.1 inches as compared to the Walther's 4.3 inch.
8 round capacity which comes with Heckler and Koch reliability and an ergonomic grip design.
Most importantly...concealable while wearing a tux.
One question I always have is how Bond will use his handgun. If he really is a hitman, he can get away with a .32 ACP or .380 (with a threaded barrel for a silencer). If he's getting into gunfights constantly, it argues for something more powerful.
But I totally agree with those here who say most viewers will expect a PPK. Whatever you think of the gun, it's hard to argue that it didn't become a pop-cultural signature of James Bond—similar to the vodka martini and the Aston Martin.
The Bobcat looks more like something Bond would carry in an ankle holster. The Beretta Px4 Compact Carry looks pretty good to me as a Bond concealed carry pistol. It's the same height as the H&K P7 but it might be a bit too long in length at 6.8" but it's also designed to not snag on clothing, etc. The H&K comes much closer to the Bond elegance as it's a beautiful pistol. One thing to consider is contemporary audiences (especially in the USA) have an expectation to see a bit of fire power and the Beretta PX4 Compact Carry gives off that vibe. I will say, the more I look at it, the H&K (especially w/ the lovely wood grips) is really growing on me (and it's 9mm).