I think an even more realistic conversation to have would be whether Amazon has the stones to use a nation state-based villain in any new movie. I think China is a far greater threat to the world than Mother Russia but who knows what is possible with Amazon's commercial interests around the globe. We know EON got flack for using North Korea in Die Another Day, what do you all think?
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This has been the case for a long time. The closest we got in modern times was the workers' paradise of North Korea in DAD, but even then colonel Moon went rouge and his father represented the NK regime.
So has Russia, Iran, Syria, Myanmar , Congo. As i pointed out, the Bond movies has hardly ever had state-based villains. China in GF is the only one I can think of now. So if i remember correctly, China is the only country in Bond history that's been a main villain (in partnership with Goldfinger).
Same again in YOLT, isn't it? I guess Russia is sort of the enemy in FYEO, although I think Kristatos is more out for himself and trying to arrange a sale to them, is that right?
I think the ski bit in TSWLM might be the first time 007 fights non-rogue Russians on screen..? I don't think he even does that in FRWL.
BondClothing is on to something even though he's wrong in thinking China has been treated as a special case by not being the villain in the Bond movies. I can't think of any current action franchises that has ever used China as villain other than James Bond, but that's because the series has such a long history. But the Bond producers (and pretty much all western film producers) has avoided antagonizing China in the last few decades because it's huge market and the Chinese government has the power to block out a movie and retaliate against a studio or film maker if they feel offended. Richard Gere has suffered this fate. So for the film studios it's money issue, not a political issue.
When I say state-based villains I include rogue actors like in FYEO, OP, TLD and DAD. It's laughable to say Russia has never been the villain in a James Bond film. General Gogol would disagree.
I don't think China is a special case, but ignoring China now would be like ignoring the Soviet Union in the 80s. I'm glad we agree on the power of the Chinese market.
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If you include rogue players the numbers change, of course. The comparison with the USSR in the 80's doesn't quite work because the Soviet Union wasn't a market for the Bond movies. I doubt the words "We can't have Russian villain because we'll lose a fortune in the Russian bootleg VHS market" was ever spoken in EON offices in the 80s. It's about money, not politics.
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One of the reasons S.P.E.C.T.R.E was so useful was that it allowed Bond to fight a corporate terrorist villain that wasn't state-based but potentially affiliated with enemy countries (consider the occasions where S.P.E.C.T.R.E worked on behalf of China or cut deals with the Russians). S.P.E.C.T.R.E also gave Bond a recurring non-ideological foe whose ranks could continually refreshed, and which combined the two great villains of our century: the international terrorist group and the multi-national corporation. Unfortunately the past two Bond films fumbled when handling such a useful recurring foe: Spectre wanted to introduce and wrap up the organization in one film and NTTD brought S.P.E.C.T.R.E back just to kill it. In retrospect, it might have been better to have saved S.P.E.C.T.R.E for the next Bond actor. On the other hand, by the time Bond 26 comes out audiences will have likely forgotten about the past two Bond films and might be open to a new and different incarnation of S.P.E.C.T.R.E---just as John Gardner was able to resurrect the organization under new leadership.
I'm just thinking that in Russia, you can't make a movie that's not approved of by the state. I'm fearful that a Bond movie produced here may soon have to be 'approved of' as well. Sanitized and/or comedied up beyond recognition.... I really wish they'd sold Bond to a UK company.... but Amazon had the $$$$$.
During a retrospective video package celebrating their careers, the duo hinted at the franchise’s future. In a telling exchange, Wilsonreferred to the next Bond as “he” before Broccoli quickly interjected: “Or she."
I'm saying that being able to make a throwaway cheeky gag like that is probably quite refreshing knowing that she won't have reporters taking it seriously every time she's asked about Bond from now on because she can say she's nothing to do with it. Don't take it so personally.
You may be right. Anyway it's not something I'd have expected from her because she probably knows many people are concerned about the future of the franchise and, most of all, the future of the character.
Now I'm seriously considering the possibility of having 'Jane Bond'...which is something I'm just not interested in, like many of us I guess.
To be honest, I'm incredibly worried about the coming decisions from Amazon. If it has to be something like 'Emily Blunt to be the next Bond', please make it quick and painless...
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That would be a huge mistake, but I think it's very unlikely.
I think an even more realistic conversation to have would be whether Amazon has the stones to use a nation state-based villain in any new movie. I think China is a far greater threat to the world than Mother Russia but who knows what is possible with Amazon's commercial interests around the globe. We know EON got flack for using North Korea in Die Another Day, what do you all think?
It's a good point about The Boys, that is quite critical of the whole nationalist thing, that may be a positive sign.
This has been the case for a long time. The closest we got in modern times was the workers' paradise of North Korea in DAD, but even then colonel Moon went rouge and his father represented the NK regime.
Then why is China continuously ignored then?
So has Russia, Iran, Syria, Myanmar , Congo. As i pointed out, the Bond movies has hardly ever had state-based villains. China in GF is the only one I can think of now. So if i remember correctly, China is the only country in Bond history that's been a main villain (in partnership with Goldfinger).
Same again in YOLT, isn't it? I guess Russia is sort of the enemy in FYEO, although I think Kristatos is more out for himself and trying to arrange a sale to them, is that right?
I think the ski bit in TSWLM might be the first time 007 fights non-rogue Russians on screen..? I don't think he even does that in FRWL.
Yes, you're right about YOLT.
BondClothing is on to something even though he's wrong in thinking China has been treated as a special case by not being the villain in the Bond movies. I can't think of any current action franchises that has ever used China as villain other than James Bond, but that's because the series has such a long history. But the Bond producers (and pretty much all western film producers) has avoided antagonizing China in the last few decades because it's huge market and the Chinese government has the power to block out a movie and retaliate against a studio or film maker if they feel offended. Richard Gere has suffered this fate. So for the film studios it's money issue, not a political issue.
When I say state-based villains I include rogue actors like in FYEO, OP, TLD and DAD. It's laughable to say Russia has never been the villain in a James Bond film. General Gogol would disagree.
I don't think China is a special case, but ignoring China now would be like ignoring the Soviet Union in the 80s. I'm glad we agree on the power of the Chinese market.
If you include rogue players the numbers change, of course. The comparison with the USSR in the 80's doesn't quite work because the Soviet Union wasn't a market for the Bond movies. I doubt the words "We can't have Russian villain because we'll lose a fortune in the Russian bootleg VHS market" was ever spoken in EON offices in the 80s. It's about money, not politics.
Oh yes, good work.
I don’t think rogue agents count as making the state a villain: in OP for example it’s Gogol who kills the baddie.
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Oh gosh, unless you think Barbel and ajb have the power of arrest for breaking the site rules, please read some more accurate news sources.
Gosh that must be true, it's on youtube and a man I recognise. And yes, that act was amended. If you think there's no free speech in the UK, check out the country where their leader is now stopping news outlets he doesn't like from attending press briefings from the heart of government, and have a think about why that is and what he's trying to do.
We're now well off the subject of James Bond's future. Please return to that or the thread will be closed.
One of the reasons S.P.E.C.T.R.E was so useful was that it allowed Bond to fight a corporate terrorist villain that wasn't state-based but potentially affiliated with enemy countries (consider the occasions where S.P.E.C.T.R.E worked on behalf of China or cut deals with the Russians). S.P.E.C.T.R.E also gave Bond a recurring non-ideological foe whose ranks could continually refreshed, and which combined the two great villains of our century: the international terrorist group and the multi-national corporation. Unfortunately the past two Bond films fumbled when handling such a useful recurring foe: Spectre wanted to introduce and wrap up the organization in one film and NTTD brought S.P.E.C.T.R.E back just to kill it. In retrospect, it might have been better to have saved S.P.E.C.T.R.E for the next Bond actor. On the other hand, by the time Bond 26 comes out audiences will have likely forgotten about the past two Bond films and might be open to a new and different incarnation of S.P.E.C.T.R.E---just as John Gardner was able to resurrect the organization under new leadership.
I'm just thinking that in Russia, you can't make a movie that's not approved of by the state. I'm fearful that a Bond movie produced here may soon have to be 'approved of' as well. Sanitized and/or comedied up beyond recognition.... I really wish they'd sold Bond to a UK company.... but Amazon had the $$$$$.
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I really wish they hadn't sold Bond at all.
Technically they haven't! 😁
This section looks particularly worrying:
During a retrospective video package celebrating their careers, the duo hinted at the franchise’s future. In a telling exchange, Wilsonreferred to the next Bond as “he” before Broccoli quickly interjected: “Or she."
Is the ultimate nightmare coming?
Or she's teasing oversensitive people on the internet...
It's probably quite refreshing now she knows it's not her problem anymore.
What a load of bull... You let a guy with dirty blonde hair become Bond and you start a slippery slope....
Blimey buddy, she made a joke.
I'm saying that being able to make a throwaway cheeky gag like that is probably quite refreshing knowing that she won't have reporters taking it seriously every time she's asked about Bond from now on because she can say she's nothing to do with it. Don't take it so personally.
You may be right. Anyway it's not something I'd have expected from her because she probably knows many people are concerned about the future of the franchise and, most of all, the future of the character.
Now I'm seriously considering the possibility of having 'Jane Bond'...which is something I'm just not interested in, like many of us I guess.
To be honest, I'm incredibly worried about the coming decisions from Amazon. If it has to be something like 'Emily Blunt to be the next Bond', please make it quick and painless...
@Number24
Let me just remind you that after 24 films they KILLED Bond. To get Craig back for one more. For money.
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The whole history of Bond has been for money.
Not for creativity, fun or storytelling? JUST money?
#1.TLD 2.LTK 3.TND 4.GF 5.YOLT 6.DAF 7.TMWTGG 8.TWINE 9.DN 10.SP